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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: SlashOZ]
#16860150 - 09/17/12 12:31 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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SlashOZ said: Ugh, so much fail in this thread.
You're the only fail I see in this thread, dip shit. Control the population? Well why don't we start offing motherfuckers in China & Japan then to control their "population" if this is the logic?
"Control the population". Lmao. The fuck outta here. If you're gonna use them for food, fine. But "control the population"??? Fuck the fuck off. I'm no PETA motherfucker, but for fuck's sake, those damn animals have as much right to be around as we do.
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: SlashOZ]
#16860170 - 09/17/12 12:35 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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SlashOZ said: Killing for fun is fine because these types of hunts are needed for population control.
Such a fucking retarded statement. So when your sister starts pumping out too many kids, can we go ahead and off 1 or 2 for "population control"???
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Absent Minded]
#16860682 - 09/17/12 03:20 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Absent Minded said: I think it's absolutely terrible. We watched a brief clip of it in my ethics class. People go up in helicopters in AK, fly around looking for them, get down low, and just blast em away. The footage was awful. Shotgun blasts from a distance so the poor things would get torn up all over their bodies, fall down, try to run, and they really couldn't. The guys would just keep going until it died, and the end of the video pans to the hunter's face and he's got this big fucking grin on his face. you kidding me man?
 People can be such shit sometimes.
those wolves were terrorists! hu rah!
but seriously wolves VERY rarely attack humans, i dont know what out beef is with them, some people just get a thrill from killing stuff. :\
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Shins]
#16860713 - 09/17/12 03:39 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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"Population control, bruh."
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: SlashOZ]
#16861060 - 09/17/12 07:54 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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SlashOZ said: Killing for fun is fine because these types of hunts are needed for population control.
Killing another living creature for fun is never okay. That's some psychotic shit. Jeffery Dhamer killed animals for fun too. Population control my ass, it's assholes who still think they have to prove some illusion of mastery over nature while they hide behind they're guns.
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SlashOZ said: Absent Minded said: they do up in AK, that's where that video is from.
The wolf population in Alaska is not really in danger.
Miss the point much? It's not a population issue in AK, it's the inhumane way they're killed by some pussies in a helicopter. Put those fuckfaces in the wild without they're precious shotgun and the bastards wouldn't stand a chance against a wolf.
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Nifflerz]
#16861067 - 09/17/12 07:56 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Niffla said: "Population control, bruh."

Just gonna be the one to say it. If this guy was a wolf and was born without the ability to walk/run he would have been killed and eaten, probably by his own pack.
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Nifflerz] 1
#16861945 - 09/17/12 11:37 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Niffla said: At one point didn't wolves roam the entire country as their range? Now they're completely gone from most states. So yeah, I think it's insane that we still kill them.
yes they were in most states. and they were over hunted, before regulation by the branch of government referred to as "wildlife management" we have today. they're basically hired biologist assigned to keep track/ manage the herds (of any hunted animal) and issue certain amount of tags (which is required for the take of an animal) for a area/zone.
may it be mule deer, bear, wild pigs, OR WOLVES. hunters not only practically fund national forest, but they are also a tool for the wildlife management. every area/habitat has its carrying capacity for certain species. if we were to stop hunting, deer herds would breed out of control and run out of forage and the whole species would starve. they should be teaching you all this in hunters ed. so its far from insane that we hunt.
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SlashOZ said: Absent Minded said: they do up in AK, that's where that video is from.
The wolf population in Alaska is not really in danger.
http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=wolf.main
this is exactly correct. so the same rule i explained above applies to wolves in alaska.
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Butt-Head said: The only people who should be allowed to kill animals you can't eat are the Indigenous Americans. For regular white people small game and large grass eaters are quite sufficient with a license only of course.
this is not only extremely offensive, but extremely discriminative. this is america, founded by the europeans, shared by the europeans.
people have this myth like idea of the native americans as if they were great conservationist and when the white man came from europe they fucked the land up... yes euros did their share of fucking shit up, but the indians were known to move into an area, use up the land by farming the shit out of it. and when the ground would become useless from not improving the soil, they'd move on. so native indians aint so great.
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Niffla said: "Population control, bruh."
seriously dude, i feel like im surrounded by PETA. these naive children must think that a wolf dies of old age with his loved ones.NO, THEY most likely get torn up by their own pack. same with deer, they usually die of being eaten by a predator (mountain lions, sometimes bears). id prefer to be shot and die quickly.
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Nifflerz]
#16861979 - 09/17/12 11:44 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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SlashOZ said: Ugh, so much fail in this thread.
You're the only fail I see in this thread, dip shit. Control the population? Well why don't we start offing motherfuckers in China & Japan then to control their "population" if this is the logic?
"Control the population". Lmao. The fuck outta here. If you're gonna use them for food, fine. But "control the population"??? Fuck the fuck off. I'm no PETA motherfucker, but for fuck's sake, those damn animals have as much right to be around as we do.
haha, your not the only fail i see in here, but your the biggest fail. what comes first to you? a human baby, or a baby fawn (baby deer)? as i explained to you in my post above, if we stopped "controlling population" or as i like to call it managing wildlife, they would as a result die off. one doe can shit out up to 40 deer. they would spread like rats and eventually run out of forage and ALL starve.
at one point yes, there was a balance, but before regulation, man killed off the wolf in most states of USA. wolves next to mountain lions were a predator to deer. now that they are gone, we must take their place. learn your shit.
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: psilocybeMAN]
#16861992 - 09/17/12 11:47 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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SlashOZ said: Ugh, so much fail in this thread.
You're the only fail I see in this thread, dip shit. Control the population? Well why don't we start offing motherfuckers in China & Japan then to control their "population" if this is the logic?
"Control the population". Lmao. The fuck outta here. If you're gonna use them for food, fine. But "control the population"??? Fuck the fuck off. I'm no PETA motherfucker, but for fuck's sake, those damn animals have as much right to be around as we do.
haha, your not the only fail i see in here, but your the biggest fail. what comes first to you? a human baby, or a baby fawn (baby deer)? as i explained to you in my post above, if we stopped "controlling population" or as i like to call it managing wildlife, they would as a result die off. one doe can shit out up to 40 deer. they would spread like rats and eventually run out of forage and ALL starve.
at one point yes, there was a balance, but before regulation, man killed off the wolf in most states of USA. wolves next to mountain lions were a predator to deer. now that they are gone, we must take their place. learn your shit.
We're not talking about fucking deer. I hunt deer. Deer are useful for lots of shit, mainly awesome meat and sinew. Wolves have no nutritional or practical value like deer do, and they don't reproduce exponentially like deer either. Why is this so fucking hard for people to understand?
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: psilocybeMAN]
#16862014 - 09/17/12 11:51 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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I completely agree.
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: GuruBushHippie]
#16862039 - 09/17/12 11:55 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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SlashOZ said: Ugh, so much fail in this thread.
You're the only fail I see in this thread, dip shit. Control the population? Well why don't we start offing motherfuckers in China & Japan then to control their "population" if this is the logic?
"Control the population". Lmao. The fuck outta here. If you're gonna use them for food, fine. But "control the population"??? Fuck the fuck off. I'm no PETA motherfucker, but for fuck's sake, those damn animals have as much right to be around as we do.
haha, your not the only fail i see in here, but your the biggest fail. what comes first to you? a human baby, or a baby fawn (baby deer)? as i explained to you in my post above, if we stopped "controlling population" or as i like to call it managing wildlife, they would as a result die off. one doe can shit out up to 40 deer. they would spread like rats and eventually run out of forage and ALL starve.
at one point yes, there was a balance, but before regulation, man killed off the wolf in most states of USA. wolves next to mountain lions were a predator to deer. now that they are gone, we must take their place. learn your shit.
We're not talking about fucking deer. I hunt deer. Deer are useful for lots of shit, mainly awesome meat and sinew. Wolves have no nutritional or practical value like deer do, and they don't reproduce exponentially like deer either. Why is this so fucking hard for people to understand?
dude you have this idea that hunting is only okay if your eating te meat or if it can be useful to you. what YOU DONT understand that the same rule that applies to deer applies to wolves in alaska. they need to be controlled as any population of animals in the rest of USA. read my post explaining how the wildlife management branch of the Department of Fish and Game works. believe it or not killing a deer in california helps the herd as a whole. same thing applies to wolves. wolves in alaska are hungry in general. less wolves means more food for the remaining wolves. which helps that remaining population strive. the population needs to be kept at a certain level.
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: psilocybeMAN] 1
#16862111 - 09/17/12 12:13 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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And what exactly do you think kept the population of these animals in check before we started tweaking everything? Nature did. Let nature do what it does. It's just like Americans to demand a say in every little aspect of everything. That balance you keep talking about existed at one time because our impact wasn't enough to throw it off.
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: GuruBushHippie]
#16862202 - 09/17/12 12:33 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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at one point yes, there was a balance, but before regulation, man killed off the wolf in most states of USA. wolves next to mountain lions were a predator to deer. now that they are gone, we must take their place. learn your shit.
i already addressed this hippy. yes, there was a balance, but before regulation, man altered nature forever(like killing off the wolf in california). now that the wolf is gone in california, we must replace the wolf and aid in killing off population that te wolf would otherwise be killing. we cant change this. we set nature off balance when man was ignorant. you cannot blame todays hunters for what our ignorant forefathers did.
same applies to alaskas wolves. caribou population has dropped and wolves are hungry. if there are too many wolves, then there is less food to go around. less wolves = more food to go around.
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: psilocybeMAN]
#16862460 - 09/17/12 01:20 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Damn straight.
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Junebug]
#16862660 - 09/17/12 01:53 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hunting is not needed to control the numbers; the billions-years old system works fine on its own. Additionally, if decreasing herd size were really the objective, wouldn't birth control viaimmunocontraception make more sense? This is a kinder, non-violent way to reduce births
Hunting also disrupts migration and hibernation patterns and destroys family units. For animals like wolves, who mate for life and live in close-knit family units, hunting can devastate entire communities. The stress that hunted animals suffer—caused by fear and the inescapable loud noises and other commotion that hunters create—also severely compromises their normal eating habits, making it hard for them to store the fat and energy that they need in order to survive the winter.
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Damn straight.
And you, quit sucking this guy's cock and actually contribute to the thread or get the fuck out.
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: GuruBushHippie] 1
#16862695 - 09/17/12 02:00 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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GuruBushHippie said: Hunting is not needed to control the numbers; the billions-years old system works fine on its own. Additionally, if decreasing herd size were really the objective, wouldn't birth control viaimmunocontraception make more sense? This is a kinder, non-violent way to reduce births
Hunting also disrupts migration and hibernation patterns and destroys family units. For animals like wolves, who mate for life and live in close-knit family units, hunting can devastate entire communities. The stress that hunted animals suffer—caused by fear and the inescapable loud noises and other commotion that hunters create—also severely compromises their normal eating habits, making it hard for them to store the fat and energy that they need in order to survive the winter.
a lot of people with Bachelors in Biology (people who work for our government in wildlife management) would disagree with you and even call you naive.
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: psilocybeMAN]
#16862746 - 09/17/12 02:08 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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GuruBushHippie said: Hunting is not needed to control the numbers; the billions-years old system works fine on its own. Additionally, if decreasing herd size were really the objective, wouldn't birth control viaimmunocontraception make more sense? This is a kinder, non-violent way to reduce births
Hunting also disrupts migration and hibernation patterns and destroys family units. For animals like wolves, who mate for life and live in close-knit family units, hunting can devastate entire communities. The stress that hunted animals suffer—caused by fear and the inescapable loud noises and other commotion that hunters create—also severely compromises their normal eating habits, making it hard for them to store the fat and energy that they need in order to survive the winter.
a lot of people with Bachelors in Biology (people who work for our government in wildlife management) would disagree with you and even call you naive.
This is all coming out of a 2009 Natural Resources Conservation textbook. I took several conservation class pertaining to wildlife and natural resources. I'm not just talking out of my ass here.
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Gotlib]
#16863117 - 09/17/12 03:08 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Butt-Head said: The only people who should be allowed to kill animals you can't eat are the Indigenous Americans. For regular white people small game and large grass eaters are quite sufficient with a license only of course.
How incredibly bigoted of you to place rights on people based on their race.
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: GuruBushHippie] 1
#16863239 - 09/17/12 03:24 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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i guess we can agree to disagree. as a hunter myself id never break up a family unit because i only hunt old bucks(as most hunters do).
let me understand though, you think we shouldnt "hunt" the traditional way and we should control populations with birth control? i dont think we have the resources for that. as i said earlier hunters provide most of the funding for national parks and forests in the USA. hunting is traditional and all animals do it. we are animals you know, just extremely intelligent/aware ones. its natural because we are part of the natural world. you think a mountain lion would think twice about taking a bite out of your ass? killing is natures way of life. hunters are conservationist who help the land.
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#16863290 - 09/17/12 03:30 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Like I said earlier, nature doesn't need help from us or our technologies. It would straighten itself out if we would just leave it alone. I believe we should do nothing.
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