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 Umbramush
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 Psilocybe strictipes? 
#16856218 - 09/16/12 02:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hi everybody, first post here, here we go. I have been a hunter for Psilocybe Semilanceata for many years, but there is a similar mushroom that gets my attention these days. I suspect I have found Psilocybe Strictipes, but I want to check here before I try to ingest some of them, so I hope some of you can help me here. And I am also looking for information about what they actually contains compared to Psilocybe Semilanceata which I have fallen in love with. 
Habitat:
Found in the same habitat as Psilocybe semilanceata, south Norway, on fields where sheeps, cows and horses goes on the summer, grassy open field typical 200m height. They grow in typical overwintered cow droppings, which seems to have been conserved in a way, and been covered with grass as protection.
Gills:
See pictures below
Stem:
Almost identical to Psilocybe semilanceata, but seems a bit whiter.
Cap:
See pictures below, same size as semilanceata but more flat.
Spore print color:
Just been putting 8-10 mushrooms on white paper and will update this post with pictures tomorrow when the spore print is ready.
Bruising:
Can not see any blue colour but will update also this when they are dry with pictures.
Other information:
No scent.
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 Re: Psilocybe strictipes? [Re: Umbramush]
#16856268 - 09/16/12 02:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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they look like Deconica coprophila to me.
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Re: Psilocybe strictipes? [Re: Umbramush]
#16856274 - 09/16/12 02:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I believe those are Deconica coprophilla. Striptices and semilanceata rarely if ever grow from dung.
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 psylosymonreturns
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Re: Psilocybe strictipes? [Re: Umbramush]
#16856283 - 09/16/12 02:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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if there is no blueing and there is no blue ring on the stipe then I'd call these Deconica coprophila.
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The Lightning
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Re: Psilocybe strictipes? [Re: bloodworm]
#16856307 - 09/16/12 02:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think they're Psilocybe strictipes.
There is a massive lack of photography and hunter notes on this species.
The Wikipedia description and this single, sole Mushroom Observer collection should help guide you to identification.
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Quote:
gsharpnolack said:
I think they're Psilocybe strictipes.
There is a massive lack of photography and hunter notes on this species.
The Wikipedia description and this single, sole Mushroom Observer collection should help guide you to identification.
these are growing directly from dung...
peace and love
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Re: Psilocybe strictipes? [Re: bloodworm]
#16856377 - 09/16/12 02:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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to make things even more confusing the last confirmed P strictipes weve seen was from fucking arizona growing from a wood and not grass land substrate !!!
P strictipes is a confusing species . people think just because a liberty cap is flat or big or doesnt have that atypical liberty bell shape that its a P strictipes but that is not the case. P semilanceata can show many different shapes depending on substrate and grass size, amount of light etc. unless one has a scope to really dig in and investigate all thier field and grass finds one shouldnt worry about P strictipes. because they all look the same macroscopically and do the same thing. 
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Umbramush
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Re: Psilocybe strictipes? [Re: bloodworm]
#16856414 - 09/16/12 03:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for so quick answers. Yes, they grow directly in the cow droppings (dung? sorry my english is not so advanced) and they look like both Deconica coprophila and Psilocybin Strictipes.
Anyone know if Deconica coprophila is poisinous or active? I find a lot of unsure information when I google, so I ask here.
Will be interesting to see the spore colour in a couple of hours.
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Re: Psilocybe strictipes? [Re: Umbramush]
#16856453 - 09/16/12 03:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Umbramush, there's two things that will help you with identification in this instance:
1. Try to get a bluing reaction by placing some specimens into a smallish tupperware container for 12-36 hours in the fridge. It should be almost sealed so a little air can get in but not much.
2. You gotta get a scope. The spore print is going to be purple (or purplish). The spore shape and size will be significant and should separate Deconica coprophila from Psilocybe strictipes.
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psylosymonreturns
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Quote:
gsharpnolack said:
I think they're Psilocybe strictipes.
There is a massive lack of photography and hunter notes on this species.
The Wikipedia description and this single, sole Mushroom Observer collection should help guide you to identification.
im not sure why alan says those were growing from grass because they were from needle duff and even a piece of wood i remember! Bob and i both guessed P silvatica because of that! P strictipes was right outa left field and it confused the hell out of me!
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What a great first post 
Welcome to the shroomery
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Umbramush
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Thanks, yes, will put some of the stems into the fridge right away. And will keep looking out for a scope, you mean a normal microscope? Maybe there is a cheap one in a toy store? Or do I need a more advanced one?
And thank you all for the replies so far Seems like there are a lot of people with skills on this forum, been reading this forum for some time now, so I found out it was time to register.
Here is pictures of the start of spore prints, and cut one of them in half.
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The Lightning
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Re: Psilocybe strictipes? [Re: Umbramush]
#16856983 - 09/16/12 04:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Order a compound light microscope with a 100x oil objective. It should be binocular (or trinocular) so it's easy on your eyes.
Here's a good introductory model:
Good start
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Re: Psilocybe strictipes? [Re: Umbramush]
#16857000 - 09/16/12 04:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Spore prints too brown. No bruising. Don't think its psilocybe.
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Psilocybe can give brown spore prints with some frequency. I do agree that this looks to be Deconica coprophila.
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Umbramush
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Yes it seems like they are too brown to be Psilocybe. But will take a picture tomorrow with my macro-lens and see if that will be more clear. Don't think I can afford a scope yet.
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Umbramush
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Re: Psilocybe strictipes? [Re: Umbramush]
#16857590 - 09/16/12 06:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here is a macro picture that didn't become too clear, but the brown colour is clear, can't say there is purplish colour in this print. I also enhanced the colours in photoshop without manipulate or change them.
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Re: Psilocybe strictipes? [Re: Umbramush]
#16857609 - 09/16/12 06:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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a spore print is not going to tell you anything.
both Deconica and Psilocybe have the same color spores.
a Deconica species is just an inactive Psilocybe.
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Re: Psilocybe strictipes? [Re: Umbramush]
#16857611 - 09/16/12 06:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i have brown ovoid prints so sometimes there can be less or more purple. Deconica will have the exact same color spore print as a Psilocybe so you cant use color alone .
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