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OfflineMasked Chaos
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Experimental Tek, Would it work?
    #16848350 - 09/14/12 08:24 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Basically here is my idea for a new tek (forgive me if it has been done before, after extensive searching i found nothing speaking of it. If it has been posted before, please link me to the thread.)

Instead of innoculating brf cakes and transferring them to a manure grow bag after they are colonized, why not just put the brf tek substrate on one side of the grow bag, and use it as an inocculation site. (essentially, the brf tek cake would colonize in the growbag with the manure and move to manure.)
It would be a single step process instead of dealing with jars etc.
I would inoculate on the brf part of the bag, and once it was colonized, i would mix it.
Any thoughts on why or why not this would work?

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Re: Experimental Tek, Would it work? [Re: Masked Chaos]
    #16848430 - 09/14/12 08:40 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Seems too complicated. Contamination is what this sounds like to me.


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Re: Experimental Tek, Would it work? [Re: Masked Chaos]
    #16848434 - 09/14/12 08:41 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

How would the brf cake keep its form without being in a jar? While also in a bag?


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Re: Experimental Tek, Would it work? [Re: Masked Chaos]
    #16848454 - 09/14/12 08:49 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

You are over thinking this and making it harder than it needs to be in my opinion. You will definitely get contamination.

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Re: Experimental Tek, Would it work? [Re: MachineElf1.618]
    #16848497 - 09/14/12 08:58 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Yah because honestly.....why would you put a brf cake in manure anyways? WBS and other substrates give way better yields.

If your tryin to do something bag related just do grains in bags an either add to poo or fruit in bag?


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Re: Experimental Tek, Would it work? [Re: Rewindicus]
    #16848662 - 09/14/12 09:37 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

long story starting with a lack of research and ending with me having spores, 8 bags of pre-pasteurized manure with filter patches, and all the ingredients for brf cakes except jars. Im out of money at the moment.

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Re: Experimental Tek, Would it work? [Re: Masked Chaos]
    #16848709 - 09/14/12 09:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Oh. Wait for jar money dude. You can get mason jars cheap at thrift stores or craigslist.


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Re: Experimental Tek, Would it work? [Re: Rewindicus]
    #16850053 - 09/15/12 06:00 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Jars, PC and your set. Use whats known or your going to have losses. Messing up is part of the hobby but you have to learn what your doing wrong from it.


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Re: Experimental Tek, Would it work? [Re: livenotonevil]
    #16850111 - 09/15/12 06:22 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I use glass cups for cakes, they work fine and can be found in your kitchen already. Small tumblers with the mouth as wide as or wider than the bottom are fine.

To explain why your idea is risky:
The smaller the amount of substrate the quicker it reaches full colonisation and can fend off any other potential contaminants. Making grain spawn/ brf cakes then adding to bags of manure means you have a well established amount of mycelium in a higher ratio that can grab all the manure and establish before anything else. ie 1:1 spawn/substrate will establish quickly, 1:10 will take longer.  Using spores on a larger bag of substrate is risky.
Grain is a better spawn that BRF cake because it will break up easily increasing the surface area and spreadng the myc much more evenly across the bag of manure preventing pockets of uncolonised manure which could invite contams.

Essentially it's a race to 100% colonisation to reduce the risk of contam. It's not impossible to do larger bathces from spores but the chances aren't as good and with all the effort and time you're investing you're going to want to make sure you get it right first time, everytime.

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