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OfflineGuruBushHippie
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The killing of wolves in the wild...
    #16846500 - 09/14/12 01:16 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

What do you all think about it? I'm not talking about protecting one's self, family, pets, or livestock, but how do you all feel about the killing of wolves for sport? I personally think it's pretty fucked up :thumbdown: Think about it. First and foremost they don't have any real food value to us, and we no longer need their pelts to survive. Plus, these majestic canids are the creatures from which descended the dogs many of us love as a part of out family. In that regard I couldn't bring myself to kill such an amazing animal.

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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: GuruBushHippie] * 1
    #16846526 - 09/14/12 01:25 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

What you said pretty much applies to all animals, which is why I'm a vegetarian.  If we can sustain our lives (sometimes in a healthier manner) without murdering animals then why don't we?  That's really the bottom line as I see it.  People tend to disagree though :P

SAVE THE WOLVES!  And all the other animals while you're at it.

What makes a wolf any more amazing than an Elk or a deer?  Have you seen them in person?  Very majestic animals. 

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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Oasis182]
    #16846543 - 09/14/12 01:28 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Im a hunter but I disagree 100% with practice of killing wolves especially if they are an endangered species of wolf.

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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Gotlib]
    #16846553 - 09/14/12 01:32 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The only people who should be allowed to kill animals you can't eat are the Indigenous Americans.
For regular white people small game and large grass eaters are quite sufficient with a license only of course.

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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #16846586 - 09/14/12 01:40 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i know what your saying i like to just shoot targets my family tryed to git me inro wild boar hunting u need to train dogs to chase them i thought it was enof just to whatch it when it came by, it ran up and stoped untill it saw me and started galloping off it was awsome beautiful animal hudge i am surprised a dog will take it on

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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: snow desert115]
    #16846597 - 09/14/12 01:43 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

when you got a high powered rifle in your hand their is nothing you cant take on

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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Gotlib]
    #16848263 - 09/14/12 07:58 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

At one point didn't wolves roam the entire country as their range? Now they're completely gone from most states. So yeah, I think it's insane that we still kill them.


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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Nifflerz]
    #16848356 - 09/14/12 08:27 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I think it's absolutely terrible. We watched a brief clip of it in my ethics class. People go up in helicopters in AK, fly around looking for them, get down low, and just blast em away. The footage was awful. Shotgun blasts from a distance so the poor things would get torn up all over their bodies, fall down, try to run, and they really couldn't. The guys would just keep going until it died, and the end of the video pans to the hunter's face and he's got this big fucking grin on his face.
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Absent Minded]
    #16848667 - 09/14/12 09:39 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah it's pretty ridiculous. I'm all for people who hunt and actually consume (and not waste an ounce) their kill -- and even then I would never do it, but I can deal with it.

But the whole killing for fun/sport and being proud of yourself when the only thing you take from an animal (for example) is its fucking antlers -- how fucking retarded.


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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Nifflerz]
    #16851995 - 09/15/12 02:44 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I believe it should be against the law to hunt or trap wolves for fur 
And I'm a hunter too.


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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Nifflerz]
    #16857418 - 09/16/12 04:01 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Niffla said:
Yeah it's pretty ridiculous. I'm all for people who hunt and actually consume (and not waste an ounce) their kill -- and even then I would never do it, but I can deal with it.

But the whole killing for fun/sport and being proud of yourself when the only thing you take from an animal (for example) is its fucking antlers -- how fucking retarded.



doesn't make sense to me.
Shit, when I was younger, I killed 2 rabbits and a squirrel with my pellet gun. Even then, I felt really bad afterward. Why I did it again I simply can't answer, maybe youthful idiocy, I don't know. But to this day I truly and genuinely still feel awful about doing that and have not intentionally killed another animal since. The fact that I sensed something about it was not "right" at 11 fucking years old is what confuses me most about hunters who don't hunt to eat/utilize the animal and just do it for the thrill/pelt/whatever. How can they repeatedly do it? Especially the wolf hunting, I mean here's that vid I was talking about in my earlier post... I didn't even watch it again but know it's the right one from a few screen shots. How could someone voluntary do that and ENJOY it?


And I'm not trying to come off as being better than these people because let's face it, I'm not a vegetarian, I eat meat, and as such, support the business of killing other animals. But to do it for fun? or for "sport?" I don't get it.


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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Absent Minded]
    #16857451 - 09/16/12 04:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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And I'm not trying to come off as being better than these people because let's face it, I'm not a vegetarian, I eat meat, and as such, support the business of killing other animals. But to do it for fun? or for "sport?" I don't get it.




It has to do with the industry and how it promotes its products. They encourage people to sport kill as sort of a tribal bonding type experience. I don't have a problem with people that hunt for food.

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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: duff monkey] * 1
    #16857707 - 09/16/12 05:01 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Ugh, so much fail in this thread.

Wolves need to be hunted in the wild to limit their populations just like deer or other animals. Humans have spread out over many areas that were once wild. The area that is now wild is much smaller and the populations that these tracts of land is much smaller than it once was. When populations of certain animals get out of hand it hurts the whole ecosystem and humans since wild animals will venture into human areas and fuck shit up. Not to mention wolf packs need a certain amount of territory and when their territories overlap they actually kill each other. So based on the limited space from natural causes, pack territory, and human encroachment the environment can only support so many wolves. As a result hunting wolves to control population is 100% a good thing for the ecosystems, wolves, and humans. The best way to hunt wolves is set up a lottery system and let hunters go out or sport. Wolves in my state were reintroduced about twenty years ago and now their populations are stable. Hunters are able to go out and hunt wolves if they have a permit. The permits are limited so as to maintain a baseline population of wolves. They are no longer listed on the endangered species list either.

Here is a link to some real info:

http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/public/wildlife/wolves/?getPage=161



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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Absent Minded]
    #16857836 - 09/16/12 05:27 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I think everyone here knows that, it's the way they go about doing it that is shitty.
And I also feel it kind of shifted to  general topic of hunters who only kill for fun/sport.


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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Absent Minded]
    #16857853 - 09/16/12 05:30 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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I think everyone here knows that, it's the way they go about doing it that is shitty.
And I also feel it kind of shifted to  general topic of hunters who only kill for fun/sport.




Its the way they go about it? Explain.

Killing for fun is fine because these types of hunts are needed for population control.


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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Absent Minded]
    #16857878 - 09/16/12 05:35 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

that's true, you've got a sport.
What I mean by the way they go about it is flying around in choppers and spraying the things with shotguns from a good distance away, and repeatedly at that.


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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Absent Minded]
    #16857880 - 09/16/12 05:36 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

got a point*


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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Absent Minded]
    #16857889 - 09/16/12 05:38 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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that's true, you've got a sport.
What I mean by the way they go about it is flying around in choppers and spraying the things with shotguns from a good distance away, and repeatedly at that.




They don't allow areal hunting from helicopters in my state.


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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Absent Minded]
    #16857900 - 09/16/12 05:40 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

they do up in AK, that's where that video is from.


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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Absent Minded]
    #16857930 - 09/16/12 05:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Absent Minded said:
they do up in AK, that's where that video is from.




The wolf population in Alaska is not really in danger.

http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=wolf.main


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