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FlintlockWood



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Monotub results with pictures!
#16844006 - 09/13/12 10:35 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just posting some results and i guess i wanna show off lol
Started with 2 quarts of WBS from an MS to 8 quarts of hpoo/straw with a hint of gypsum.
About a 2 weeks later with one week of a wax paper casing layer this happened

Then a week more and she has come very much alive

This is my 3rd or 4th successful grow and my first monotub. Please give me some feed back and ill post my dry results when i harvest in a couple of days
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Tmethyl
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They are long skinny and leaning because you either need more light, or they are tryin to escape high c02 levels, and need more FAE. Fanning.
Remember c02 sinks to the bottom, it's heavier than air. Having your polyfill holes at the exact top of the substrate layer, or slightly below allows c02 to drain off like water.
Check both.
And nice looking tub, thanks for posting the great pictures, they are fully appreciated and add a nice icing to my night.
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Re: Monotub results with pictures! [Re: Tmethyl]
#16844054 - 09/13/12 10:43 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well done, sir! I agree you probably need more FAE and it looks like you should use a light above your tub so they don't grow all crazy directions.
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FlintlockWood



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Re: Monotub results with pictures! [Re: jenkinz]
#16844076 - 09/13/12 10:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I purchased the tub with the interlocking lid and it is solid white, i could move my fanning from 3 times a day to 5 and see if that helps on my other tub that is a week or so behind this one. Should i just invest in new tubs with clear lids?
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Revok
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Awesome... w/ that spawn and sub i.e. can you speak comparitivly about rye/coir/verm? Also. wax paper? Is this to keep moisture in.... when did you decide to introduce fruiting conditions? Did you allow for consolidation? I wish you luck and peace with your flushes...
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You can also just turn the tubs upside down (if they are translucent) and use the lid as the bottom. Then when you remove the tub for FAE, it is easy to completely exchange the air. You will need to keep an eye on humidity though, and be careful about contamination.
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FlintlockWood



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Re: Monotub results with pictures! [Re: Revok]
#16844108 - 09/13/12 10:55 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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i just waited until the entire top and bottom was white then 3 additional days when it seemed to be pretty solid aside from a few pieces of straw sticking up that i cut. as far as the wax paper it was just to keep the humidity and CO2 levels right to initiate pinning.
Could i just drill holes at the substrate level to drain CO2 for the next flush? or would this produce contam and FAE problems?
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Agree with moar air, that'll fatten'm up ricky tick. Pull some poly out of you holes maybe.
Don't worry about contams anymore.
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vagblast
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Drill 4 holes on the top and the bottom of the mono tub. CO 2 is heavy and goes out through the holes in the bottom while fresh air gets sucked in from the top holes. I've used all kinds of different substrate and spawn. though each has different outcomes the biggest difference I've noticed in my experience is the placement of the holes in the tub.
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vagblast
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Re: Monotub results with pictures! [Re: vagblast]
#16844190 - 09/13/12 11:13 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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also try the simple and most effective 5050 choir and vermiculite substrate method with the 5050 vermiculite and peat moss casing method. you will be amazed. it along with the occasional can of spent coffee grounds for s**** and giggles is the only method I'll ever use from now on. Oh and less poly fill on the holes too. Remember a snug fit is all you need too tight and you will choke of the fae
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Re: Monotub results with pictures! [Re: vagblast]
#16844210 - 09/13/12 11:18 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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When you say "most effective 50/50" are you refering to Damions Elementary tek? If so, it was my understanding that this tek did not require casing...
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FlintlockWood



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Re: Monotub results with pictures! [Re: vagblast]
#16844218 - 09/13/12 11:20 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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i have another tub going with coir/verm with added hydrated lime and gypsum. I havent seen much of a reason to case but i could try it on my next tub. I like the way the coir looks better when colonized due to the flatter top layer
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yes I am talking about Damian's elementary tech and the only reason why I case is for extra protection against contamination and also for a more evenly thick and hardy flushes usually unless you're really good at balancing the pH in the soil gypsum and lime isn't necessary with this tek even then it only makes a small difference
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Re: Monotub results with pictures! [Re: vagblast]
#16844273 - 09/13/12 11:30 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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to be more specific on y I case. I usually get around 4 to 6 flushes with absolutely no contamination verses 2 to 4 flushes before contamination without a casing
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Re: Monotub results with pictures! [Re: vagblast]
#16844306 - 09/13/12 11:39 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thats interesting. I have come across different opinions on this matter, would you care to explain why you think the casing layer provides to account for such a discrepancy?
(Do repeated questions or dialogue such as this constitute hijacking?)
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vagblast
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Re: Monotub results with pictures! [Re: Revok]
#16844347 - 09/13/12 11:51 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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sure. number 1 is that pe at moss has very little nutritional value. making it harder for any competitive mold or mildew to attach itself to the substrate below. second is that along with vermiculite in the casing layer it helps to retain moisture beneath that is vital to the mycelial network. we all know a dry network is an unhappy 1. third itadds weight to the substrate underneath compressing it in even Manor allowing a better pin set and stability for the fruits how to Grow higher and thicker
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Quote:
FlintlockWood said: Just posting some results and i guess i wanna show off lol
Started with 2 quarts of WBS from an MS to 8 quarts of hpoo/straw with a hint of gypsum.
About a 2 weeks later with one week of a wax paper casing layer this happened

Then a week more and she has come very much alive

This is my 3rd or 4th successful grow and my first monotub. Please give me some feed back and ill post my dry results when i harvest in a couple of days
damn!! those are some crazy fruits.. nice grow man. 
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FlintlockWood



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Re: Monotub results with pictures! [Re: Revok]
#16844353 - 09/13/12 11:52 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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i personally could care less. i do plan on an update post though
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twistedty
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lovin it nice work bro.
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vagblast
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Re: Monotub results with pictures! [Re: vagblast]
#16844361 - 09/13/12 11:53 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I call it the 1 2 three's of casing
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Re: Monotub results with pictures! [Re: vagblast]
#16844370 - 09/13/12 11:55 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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i use tinfoil or waxpaper for pinsets after first flush on my monos
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vagblast
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Re: Monotub results with pictures! [Re: vagblast]
#16844378 - 09/13/12 11:56 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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hey your first mono tub to looks a lot better than mine did. Just giving u some helpful hints. Good work. probably should have said that sooner
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vagblast
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Re: Monotub results with pictures! [Re: vagblast]
#16844389 - 09/13/12 11:58 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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hey your first mono tub looks a lot better than mine did probably should have said that sooner good job man.
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FlintlockWood



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Re: Monotub results with pictures! [Re: vagblast]
#16844392 - 09/14/12 12:00 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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thanks, im open to experimentation so ill definitely try a casing on my next tub and ill drill my holes a little lower as well
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vagblast
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cool cool keep us updated. good luck and happy growing
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twistedty
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i wouldnt case the monotub imo
your tubs just look like they want more air.
its still a nice flush
Edited by twistedty (09/14/12 12:03 AM)
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Re: Monotub results with pictures! [Re: twistedty]
#16844456 - 09/14/12 12:17 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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peat very commonly introduces trich
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vagblast
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Re: Monotub results with pictures! [Re: twistedty]
#16844474 - 09/14/12 12:22 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah I've seen a lot of people who don't case. and sometimes it's not necessary to case. but me as a perfectionist prefer to have a case. it's all about your opinion. either way a little shroom goes a long way. My way works for me ya know. Ill definitely try and post some pics for yall.
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Re: Monotub results with pictures! [Re: vagblast]
#16845053 - 09/14/12 06:46 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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vagblast said: ...the only reason why I case is for extra protection against contamination and also for a more evenly thick and hardy flushes usually unless you're really good at balancing the pH in the soil gypsum and lime isn't necessary with this tek even then it only makes a small difference
from my experience, a casing layer is a good thing especially if you have trouble keeping the rH exactly where you want it. also, when the casing layer isn't pasteurized/sterilized properly(and sometimes even if you did) it doesnt protect against contams, it actually makes your tub a little more susceptible. while im on this subject i should also say that you DEF wanna use some cal carb or lime to buffer the casing layer. not only will the correct ph be a little more friendly to the myc, but it helps ward off contams as well.
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Re: Monotub results with pictures! [Re: IamYou]
#16846290 - 09/14/12 12:36 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I will def look into it more. You made a good point. However I have always heard that peat moss is very low in nutritional value and tends to be a little less suseptible to comtam than just bare coir. Idk if its my methods of keeping everything sterile or what but my tubs literally have no more room at all for improvment. I am seriously thinking about buying way bigger tubs. One tub so far ihas fruits so big its pushing up on the lid and bowing it out. Glad I used tape. I have kept everything very simple and so far its been great. I'm stupid when it comes to computers . Posting pics is a problem for me at the moment. But I will have to put some on here to show u what I mean.
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Tmethyl
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Quote:
FlintlockWood said: I purchased the tub with the interlocking lid and it is solid white, i could move my fanning from 3 times a day to 5 and see if that helps on my other tub that is a week or so behind this one. Should i just invest in new tubs with clear lids?
Also, you can make any lid transparent by cutting out the center of the lid with a saw or razor knife then taping repeatedly over the hole to make a tape window, using clear packing tape, or by wrapping the entire lid in saran wrap. I've used both aforementioned methods with success.
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FlintlockWood



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Re: Monotub results with pictures! [Re: Tmethyl]
#16847927 - 09/14/12 06:38 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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its the lid that is connected to the tub and has two halves that fold into each other. i dont think it is open to modification, ill just buy 2 new tubs. Thanks for trying to help though.
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Tmethyl
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FlintlockWood said: its the lid that is connected to the tub and has two halves that fold into each other. i dont think it is open to modification, ill just buy 2 new tubs. Thanks for trying to help though.
Wal-mart has some great deals on transparent tubs, with transparent lids. I keep buying them.. and I think I have too many. I can't pass them in the store without making up a reason in my head to convince myself to walk out with another one.
I'm a sad sad mushroom lover.
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FlintlockWood



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Re: Monotub results with pictures! [Re: Tmethyl]
#16847994 - 09/14/12 06:53 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said:
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FlintlockWood said: its the lid that is connected to the tub and has two halves that fold into each other. i dont think it is open to modification, ill just buy 2 new tubs. Thanks for trying to help though.
Wal-mart has some great deals on transparent tubs, with transparent lids. I keep buying them.. and I think I have too many. I can't pass them in the store without making up a reason in my head to convince myself to walk out with another one.
I'm a sad sad mushroom lover.

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Tmethyl said:
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FlintlockWood said: its the lid that is connected to the tub and has two halves that fold into each other. i dont think it is open to modification, ill just buy 2 new tubs. Thanks for trying to help though.
Wal-mart has some great deals on transparent tubs, with transparent lids. I keep buying them.. and I think I have too many. I can't pass them in the store without making up a reason in my head to convince myself to walk out with another one.
I'm a sad sad mushroom lover.

Why do the made in China tubs have to be so cheap!?! And so perfect for mushroom growing. They are double the price at my local hardware store. Made in the USA and the plastic seems to be stronger but damn do they hit my wallet
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