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Pinning Outbreak
    #16840267 - 09/13/12 10:02 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Has anyone else had to deal with thousands of pins forming over and over again; but staled growth?

I have a 66 quart tub; which I flushed 1/4 lbs dry, but pins kept forming after I flushed.  I rehydrated the tub; but it seemed the pins just formed and wouldn't grow.  I looked this up and saw that you need to take as much off and have the flush start from scratch.  So I scrapped all the pins off the tub and just waiting for the pins to form again.


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Re: Pinning Outbreak [Re: FakePlasticSky]
    #16840276 - 09/13/12 10:06 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Whats up man, is this with the humic acid addition?

Edited by Aiko Aiko (09/13/12 10:06 AM)

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Re: Pinning Outbreak [Re: FakePlasticSky]
    #16840279 - 09/13/12 10:06 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

If there aborts, then of course you would remove them with
the flush. But healthy fruits can withstand the dunk. Removing
the healthy fruits would ruin your next flush.

How did you dunk? You need only pour a gallon or so of
water over the substrate. And let sit for 1 hour, after
drain off excess water.


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Re: Pinning Outbreak [Re: FakePlasticSky]
    #16840282 - 09/13/12 10:07 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Those little pins that refused to grow were part of your next flush.

I'm not sure where you found the info to scrape the pins off but that's bad info.


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Re: Pinning Outbreak [Re: Wing]
    #16840287 - 09/13/12 10:07 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Wing said:
I'm not sure where you found the info to scrape the pins off but that's bad info.




Totally....


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Re: Pinning Outbreak [Re: Aiko Aiko]
    #16840291 - 09/13/12 10:08 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Gobblin said:
Whats up man, is this with the humic acid addition?




Yeah it was with the humic acid spray tub.  The Humic Subs are still colonizing.


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Re: Pinning Outbreak [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #16840297 - 09/13/12 10:10 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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DynGBreeD said:
If there aborts, then of course you would remove them with
the flush. But healthy fruits can withstand the dunk. Removing
the healthy fruits would ruin your next flush.

How did you dunk? You need only pour a gallon or so of
water over the substrate. And let sit for 1 hour, after
drain off excess water.




They pinned and turned black at the tips.  They were aborts.  But they kept pinning and aborting.  Literally the entire surface of the tub was covered in pins.  FUCK!  I wish I took a picture before I scrapped them.


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Re: Pinning Outbreak [Re: FakePlasticSky]
    #16840307 - 09/13/12 10:11 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

That might of helped. What is this spray you speak of,
and why was it used?

I'd still snap a picture. :thumbup:


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Re: Pinning Outbreak [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #16840317 - 09/13/12 10:13 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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DynGBreeD said:
That might of helped. What is this spray you speak of,
and why was it used?

I'd still snap a picture. :thumbup:




It was a test, using 1% humic Acid with distilled water.  I lightly misted a layer on the top of the sub for 7 days straight.  The other tubs that I did this to had no problem with their grow.  This tub didn't either; giving me a 1/4 lbs 1st flush.


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Re: Pinning Outbreak [Re: FakePlasticSky]
    #16840329 - 09/13/12 10:15 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Just an experiment? Thought that stuff was
for Plants.


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Re: Pinning Outbreak [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #16840338 - 09/13/12 10:18 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

If I have aborts come late in the first flush, I always scrape, dunk, and put back into fruiting. The next flush is usually pretty even and a lot meatier.. :shrug:


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Re: Pinning Outbreak [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #16840343 - 09/13/12 10:18 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Pinning Outbreak [Re: Aiko Aiko]
    #16840345 - 09/13/12 10:19 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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If I have aborts come late in the first flush, I always scrape, dunk, and put back into fruiting. The next flush is usually pretty even and a lot meatier.. :shrug:




Yeah I guess we will find out!  :laugh:


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Re: Pinning Outbreak [Re: FakePlasticSky]
    #16840352 - 09/13/12 10:20 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting :strokebeard2:


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Re: Pinning Outbreak [Re: FakePlasticSky]
    #16840358 - 09/13/12 10:21 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

magnifier661 said:
Quote:

DynGBreeD said:
Just an experiment? Thought that stuff was
for Plants.




https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:Rw9oFhDMFjMJ:worldjournalofscience.com/article/download/8875/4545+Can+you+use+minerals+and+humic+acid+for+mushroom+farming?&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjjQBmLfkNq8Zq3dW6JMpkpkYPZ0X5YVSB2ZQrJBzbPp2OK2-lJvec880gEOQ-itwtY7sFJTsHFmKW3g65kaqH8KGzd_r_RtnneZ7ZO8E-hzNUeNAnxwoSGs6wUkFAHz9CaSQeE&sig=AHIEtbQCd5vcf7bPtbGQd5IthPDoz7vrDA

Humic Acid has strong amounts in Manure; which ironically is one of the best mediums to use with growing mushrooms.





Doesn't that get leached out though?


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Re: Pinning Outbreak [Re: Aiko Aiko]
    #16840365 - 09/13/12 10:23 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Thats uric acid I believe...


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Re: Pinning Outbreak [Re: Wing]
    #16840367 - 09/13/12 10:23 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Wing said:
Quote:

magnifier661 said:
Quote:

DynGBreeD said:
Just an experiment? Thought that stuff was
for Plants.




https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:Rw9oFhDMFjMJ:worldjournalofscience.com/article/download/8875/4545+Can+you+use+minerals+and+humic+acid+for+mushroom+farming?&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjjQBmLfkNq8Zq3dW6JMpkpkYPZ0X5YVSB2ZQrJBzbPp2OK2-lJvec880gEOQ-itwtY7sFJTsHFmKW3g65kaqH8KGzd_r_RtnneZ7ZO8E-hzNUeNAnxwoSGs6wUkFAHz9CaSQeE&sig=AHIEtbQCd5vcf7bPtbGQd5IthPDoz7vrDA

Humic Acid has strong amounts in Manure; which ironically is one of the best mediums to use with growing mushrooms.





Doesn't that get leached out though?




Yes, but the excess gets leached.  There is still large amounts of trace humic acid that stays in the sub.  They had a concentrate of 60% concentration in their study.  I am spraying a small amount of concentration on top.


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Re: Pinning Outbreak [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #16840372 - 09/13/12 10:23 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Could just be some bad ms genetics op....I read about humic acid adding a yield increase but meh, why mess with success?

leave the experimenting to the commercial growers until its been 100% verified to work. Just saying, you have a potential to be wasting your time.


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Re: Pinning Outbreak [Re: Wing]
    #16840374 - 09/13/12 10:24 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Was wondering the same thing? Leached from sun and weather..
That report was done for edibles Oyster's. Also, is more
even needed, if the manure still contains it? Not trying to
say your wrong or anything.

Just intrigued, maybe some more people will comment.


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Re: Pinning Outbreak [Re: HybridprX]
    #16840381 - 09/13/12 10:26 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Could just be some bad ms genetics op....I read about humic acid adding a yield increase but meh, why mess with success?

leave the experimenting to the commercial growers until its been 100% verified to work. Just saying, you have a potential to be wasting your time.




Yes but what I have already is a control and test tub.  So far the test tub has outperformed my control.  But I am waiting for the colony to establish and see the actual test from start to finish, like it was done on this study.


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Re: Pinning Outbreak [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #16840392 - 09/13/12 10:28 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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DynGBreeD said:
Was wondering the same thing? Leached from sun and weather..
That report was done for edibles Oyster's. Also, is more
even needed, if the manure still contains it? Not trying to
say your wrong or anything.

Just intrigued, maybe some more people will comment.





http://jhbiotech.com/Publications/Pub%2058.pdf

Dung 5% humic acid 10% fulvic acid.


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Re: Pinning Outbreak [Re: FakePlasticSky]
    #16840411 - 09/13/12 10:31 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Im interested to see the results, could have the potential to be a great additive for coir.


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Re: Pinning Outbreak [Re: HybridprX]
    #16840416 - 09/13/12 10:31 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Im interested to see the results, could have the potential to be a great additive for coir.




That would be awesome! :awesomenod:


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Re: Pinning Outbreak [Re: FakePlasticSky]
    #16840422 - 09/13/12 10:34 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

"Due to these reasons, organic manure cannot be equated with humus. Furthermore, as a result of modern livestock breeding methods, organic fertilizers based on manure have become unsuitable to be used in fertilization. The humic acids content of manure varies between 5-15 %."

http://www.humintech.com/001/industry/information/faq.html

Also...

"The most important feature of Humic Acids is their ability of binding ions which produces bio-chemical reactions known as chelation. This makes the nutrients more readily available to the plants for the proper growing process. As a result, Humic Acids produce three types of effects on soil and plant: They physically modify the structure of soil, they chemically change the fixation properties of the soil and they biologically stimulate the plant and the activities of microorganisms."


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Re: Pinning Outbreak [Re: HybridprX]
    #16840428 - 09/13/12 10:35 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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Im interested to see the results, could have the potential to be a great additive for coir.




Yeah I think so too; which is why it is worth it for me to test it.  Who knows, it may not be a big difference; but at least it won't hurt it.


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