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Re: monstrose lophophora williamsii? [Re: modern.shaman]
    #16813805 - 09/08/12 09:29 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

i would think it'd be considered caespitose - which i understand pup early, and pup from the lower part of the button, as well as pupping from areoles.

i think normal williamsii only pup when it's been several years, and also happens from the top part of the root, and i dont think (??) from areoles


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Re: monstrose lophophora williamsii? [Re: islanduniverse]
    #16814068 - 09/08/12 10:05 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

caespitosa babies have babies within the year.

but islanduniverse is right.


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Re: monstrose lophophora williamsii? [Re: ferrel_human]
    #16814232 - 09/08/12 10:33 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

hey guys, shaman. its possible that is just overfed and growing like that. i know trichocereus can over pup if you give too much food after you cut a tip. just throwing that out there.


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Re: monstrose lophophora williamsii? [Re: FlashLightning]
    #16815125 - 09/09/12 02:46 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

from a couple of my plants

i'm not sure if this was induced chemically or otherwise, but i like it






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Re: monstrose lophophora williamsii? [Re: FlashLightning]
    #16815630 - 09/09/12 06:41 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes, it's common in some specific clones for the pups to pup immediately. It suggests some sort of hormone imbalance and it's possible to induce such behavior with certain chemicals.




I just thought since there are seeds for each that if a regular willie seedling started clumping it would still be a regular willie. Guess not


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Re: monstrose lophophora williamsii? [Re: modern.shaman]
    #16832487 - 09/11/12 11:28 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

a piece separated from another plant



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Re: monstrose lophophora williamsii? [Re: islanduniverse]
    #16833066 - 09/12/12 02:33 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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islanduniverse said:
from a couple of my plants

i'm not sure if this was induced chemically or otherwise, but i like it









Nice one mate


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Re: monstrose lophophora williamsii? [Re: modern.shaman]
    #16838368 - 09/12/12 10:30 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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modern.shaman said:
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naum said:
Yes, it's common in some specific clones for the pups to pup immediately. It suggests some sort of hormone imbalance and it's possible to induce such behavior with certain chemicals.




I just thought since there are seeds for each that if a regular willie seedling started clumping it would still be a regular willie. Guess not




caespitose means many stems, so any species can be and any plant can be.  to be the var. caespitosa it needs to be consistent through and through, and so far it seems only LW has the recognized variety.  many diffusa and fricii are caespitose but they are not called the var. 

the var. i think is not only consistent but grows from way more areoles normally, and new stems will grow from other very new stems.  most other species dont do that.  they grow from new stems when the new stem is larger, lets make up a number at 2cm, where LW var. caespitosa can pull off stems from other stems of only mms in width.


example with the 2 above wicked plants.  they are both caespitose, but only the smaller one with crazy pups would probably be the var. caespitosa.  although i wonder if that plant has some kind of mite doing it?  sometimes normal type plants grow really funky due to pests.

A caespitose L. williamsii



A L. williamsii caespitosa


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