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Simplymarkkim
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big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics)
#16831151 - 09/11/12 07:48 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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should i birth and dunk them does this mean their done? i birthed and
dunked my other cakes but there were no pins/mushrooms. if i do dunk
them, do i have to remover this mushroom by picking it off? or should i
pluck it off thanks for your time guys!

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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: Simplymarkkim]
#16831169 - 09/11/12 07:50 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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The mushroom can just stay on while dunking, no problem there. The fact that it's pinning means it's more than ready. I'd say get on it.
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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: Cosmic Fool]
#16831201 - 09/11/12 07:55 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wait till 100% wait a week. Birth dunk and rather then roll in verm sprinkle the verm on the cake. place in FC
The pin wont get hurt by the dunk nor by waiting
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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: zepski]
#16831215 - 09/11/12 07:57 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's obviously past 100% if it's pinning already. Get it out of the jar now.
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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: Cosmic Fool]
#16831256 - 09/11/12 08:01 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cosmic Fool said: It's obviously past 100% if it's pinning already. Get it out of the jar now.
Oh really? You know that for a fact. You looked at the jar in person saw it from all angles? Also even if the thing is 100% if it has not sat for the 1 week consolidation period it is NOT time to birth.
You always give the jar a week to sit after 100%. Even if it has pins! The reason it most likely has pins is because its being moved around to be looked at causing the FAE rather then GE.
As said before if its 100% and has had its week consolidation time then birth it and dunk it. Then Sprinkle the verm on and place in FC. If not just wait till you get 100% and the week after.
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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: zepski]
#16831296 - 09/11/12 08:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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zepski said:
Oh really? You know that for a fact. You looked at the jar in person saw it from all angles? Also even if the thing is 100% if it has not sat for the 1 week consolidation period it is NOT time to birth.
You always give the jar a week to sit after 100%. Even if it has pins! The reason it most likely has pins is because its being moved around to be looked at causing the FAE rather then GE.
As said before if its 100% and has had its week consolidation time then birth it and dunk it. Then Sprinkle the verm on and place in FC. If not just wait till you get 100% and the week after.
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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: iwannabemro]
#16831299 - 09/11/12 08:08 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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iwannabemro said:
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zepski said:
Oh really? You know that for a fact. You looked at the jar in person saw it from all angles? Also even if the thing is 100% if it has not sat for the 1 week consolidation period it is NOT time to birth.
You always give the jar a week to sit after 100%. Even if it has pins! The reason it most likely has pins is because its being moved around to be looked at causing the FAE rather then GE.
As said before if its 100% and has had its week consolidation time then birth it and dunk it. Then Sprinkle the verm on and place in FC. If not just wait till you get 100% and the week after.
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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: zepski]
#16831366 - 09/11/12 08:16 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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whatever, go ahead and parrot each other. doesn't anybody understand that pinning trigger number 1 is complete colonization of available substrate? and that if it's pinning now, that it is already trying to fruit and is consolidated already? helloo? i mean, i like regurgitating theory as much as the next guy, but how about a little common sense based on actual experience and deductive reasoning to go with it? anyone?
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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: Cosmic Fool]
#16831405 - 09/11/12 08:22 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cosmic Fool said: whatever, go ahead and parrot each other. doesn't anybody understand that pinning trigger number 1 is complete colonization of available substrate? and that if it's pinning now, that it is already trying to fruit and is consolidated already? helloo? i mean, i like regurgitating theory as much as the next guy, but how about a little common sense and deductive reasoning to go with it? anyone?
Could be pinning early do to contam. Which is why he asked if it was 100%. Also, troll harder.
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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: cloudpersona]
#16831423 - 09/11/12 08:25 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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agreed, could be due to contam. i didn't think it needed to be said though to just toss the jar in that case. maybe it does? but that's kind of obvious.
i'm not trolling, just offering my view. granted, i have a low post count and recent registration date. but i've been around for years mostly under another name. i've seen enough to know that jars pin when they've been sitting a while post colonization or are dealing with contams.
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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: cloudpersona]
#16831430 - 09/11/12 08:26 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah or the first part of the cake is consolidated and you fruit for one pin when you can wait and get a real first flush.
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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: Cosmic Fool]
#16831441 - 09/11/12 08:27 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cosmic Fool said: agreed, could be due to contam. i didn't think it needed to be said though to just toss the jar in that case. maybe it does? but that's kind of obvious.
i'm not trolling, just offering my view. granted, i have a low post count and recent registration date. but i've been around for years mostly under another name. i've seen enough to know that jars pin when they've been sitting a while post colonization or are dealing with contams.
My apologies, though the reference to trolling had nothing to do with the post count. It just seemed like you were. Unfortunately, i find myself being forced to state the obvious to noobs all the time, which is why I ask the basic questions, cause sometimes people grow who don't have a passion for growing, just for tripping.
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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: cloudpersona]
#16831490 - 09/11/12 08:34 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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the whole wait a week after 100% is a fucking scam. seriously.. more surface area around the glass surface than the inside. the time the myc has to spread over the glass surface it can certainly spread into an area that has less area than the glass. ive always spawned to bulk and caked once the area of glass LOOKED 100% for over 10 years and have never once had a contam or stalled growth. why would you wait it out if the myc is ready to go?!? it's on a roll and no reason to slow it down. dunk that shit.
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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: cloudpersona]
#16831495 - 09/11/12 08:35 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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iwannabemro said: Yeah or the first part of the cake is consolidated and you fruit for one pin when you can wait and get a real first flush.
i disagree. for one that pin is pretty big and has obviously been growing a few days at least. also, barring contams, the whole mycellium should be consolidating in uniform across the whole substrate upon full colonization, not just in a spot here or there. another question for the op is whether there are hyphal knots all over the place. if so, that's a dead ringer that she's ready to go.
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Cosmic Fool said: agreed, could be due to contam. i didn't think it needed to be said though to just toss the jar in that case. maybe it does? but that's kind of obvious.
i'm not trolling, just offering my view. granted, i have a low post count and recent registration date. but i've been around for years mostly under another name. i've seen enough to know that jars pin when they've been sitting a while post colonization or are dealing with contams.
My apologies, though the reference to trolling had nothing to do with the post count. It just seemed like you were. Unfortunately, i find myself being forced to state the obvious to noobs all the time, which is why I ask the basic questions, cause sometimes people grow who don't have a passion for growing, just for tripping.
thanks, you're right. experience make things obvious that aren't at all to someone just beginning.
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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: Z O M G]
#16831499 - 09/11/12 08:35 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Z O M G said: the whole wait a week after 100% is a fucking scam. seriously.. more surface area around the glass surface than the inside. the time the myc has to spread over the glass surface it can certainly spread into an area that has less area than the glass. ive always spawned to bulk and caked once the area of glass LOOKED 100% for over 10 years and have never once had a contam or stalled growth. why would you wait it out if the myc is ready to go?!? it's on a roll and no reason to slow it down. dunk that shit.
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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: Z O M G]
#16831534 - 09/11/12 08:39 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think a more comprehensive visual of the jars is in order.
Longer consolidation time is linked to higher quality fruits.
Pins won't do any harm while the cake consolidates.
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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: cloudpersona]
#16831565 - 09/11/12 08:43 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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cloudpersona said:
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Z O M G said: the whole wait a week after 100% is a fucking scam. seriously.. more surface area around the glass surface than the inside. the time the myc has to spread over the glass surface it can certainly spread into an area that has less area than the glass. ive always spawned to bulk and caked once the area of glass LOOKED 100% for over 10 years and have never once had a contam or stalled growth. why would you wait it out if the myc is ready to go?!? it's on a roll and no reason to slow it down. dunk that shit.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15181139
well yea, but thats not the argument i was trying to make... i wasn't arguing potency, i was arguing about birth times. seems he was more concerned about being able to birth than the potency of it.(at least to me) i was just stating you don't have to wait if there's pinning or if the jars seem 100% of course you can but thats up to the person. y'know?
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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: Z O M G]
#16831578 - 09/11/12 08:45 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Z O M G said:
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cloudpersona said:
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Z O M G said: the whole wait a week after 100% is a fucking scam. seriously.. more surface area around the glass surface than the inside. the time the myc has to spread over the glass surface it can certainly spread into an area that has less area than the glass. ive always spawned to bulk and caked once the area of glass LOOKED 100% for over 10 years and have never once had a contam or stalled growth. why would you wait it out if the myc is ready to go?!? it's on a roll and no reason to slow it down. dunk that shit.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15181139
well yea, but thats not the argument i was trying to make... i wasn't arguing potency, i was arguing about birth times. seems he was more concerned about being able to birth than the potency of it.(at least to me) i was just stating you don't have to wait if there's pinning or if the jars seem 100% of course you can but thats up to the person. y'know?
Of course, you don't have to wait. But there are clear benefits to waiting, if you just need speed, then don't wait.
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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: cloudpersona]
#16831593 - 09/11/12 08:47 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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As said it could be contam, it also could be the fact he is moving the jars around to look at them.
Also you have to consider that you can have a jar hit 100% and grow a pin over night. That doesn't mean it should be birthed. That is what I'm getting at it should still sit for the full 7 days its beneficial to the cake. That pin may grow but it wont hurt anything.
Since OP hasn't said how long or even if its 100% we have no idea whats going on with it.
Also you say use common sense. I am in the sense of how a new grower acts. I'm sure that those jars have been handled more then a 5 dollar whore. So the fact that its pinning doesnt mean it was ready or 100%. It could mean that jar has been moved enough to allow FAE which will cause pinning even if #1 pinning trigger of 100% colonization isn't reached. Just saying.
That's why the statements i made where parroted. Because there are more factors at play here so its based to be safe and not tell the OP to just birth it because it has a pin.
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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: Z O M G]
#16831599 - 09/11/12 08:48 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Z O M G said: the whole wait a week after 100% is a fucking scam. seriously.. more surface area around the glass surface than the inside. the time the myc has to spread over the glass surface it can certainly spread into an area that has less area than the glass. ive always spawned to bulk and caked once the area of glass LOOKED 100% for over 10 years and have never once had a contam or stalled growth. why would you wait it out if the myc is ready to go?!? it's on a roll and no reason to slow it down. dunk that shit.
Thats the key here when spawning cakes to bulks you dont need to wait the 7 days...
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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: zepski]
#16831633 - 09/11/12 08:53 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yea, as far as handling a noob situation I don't really think there's anything wrong with what you suggested.. I've just seen plenty of pins that size before in jars and they pretty much always happen well past full colonization.
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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: EyeShroomYou]
#16832046 - 09/11/12 10:03 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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EyeShroomYou said: I think a more comprehensive visual of the jars is in order.
Longer consolidation time is linked to higher quality fruits.
Pins won't do any harm while the cake consolidates.
I dont think its a pin its pretty big haha
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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: Simplymarkkim]
#16832083 - 09/11/12 10:08 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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^exactly. that thing's been in there at least a few days. wait, you're the op! you can tell us exactly how long that's been there then, and how long it's been colonized, etc. do you see little white dots forming all over the substrate as well? i'm quite curious bout this now.
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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: Simplymarkkim]
#16832087 - 09/11/12 10:09 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Simplymarkkim said: I dont think its a pin its pretty big haha
Sure looks like a pin to me. Sure its long but the cap is still in pin size.
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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: zepski]
#16832092 - 09/11/12 10:09 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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yea, that's pretty much how they grow in vitro without fae. cap doesn't really open.
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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: Cosmic Fool]
#16832141 - 09/11/12 10:18 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'd like to point something out here.... waiting a week for consolidation DOES improve your flush... this is true it should ALWAYS be done..... ya ok technically this is true BUT this is a single PF cake here. I mean what kind of difference is it gonna make? is he gonna get an 8th instead of just 3 grams? I mean I would wait the week even with the pin but........its not THAT big a deal.......I say if its your first grow and you just wanna trip and youve been waiting a month and you and your trip buddys have had raging mushrooms boners the whole time then fuck it man birth it. youll be trippin ballz in a week. but if you can wait a week ya wait a week  good job btw op
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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: Grumpyorc]
#16832162 - 09/11/12 10:21 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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^well explained, and agreed- consolidation definitely improves performance. only thing i'd add is that i was advocating immediate birthing because i was deducing from the fact that pin was so large already that the substrate was already well in to its consolidation phase. so in other words, i was saying that jar clearly already has consolidated.
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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: Cosmic Fool]
#16833533 - 09/12/12 08:08 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cosmic Fool said: ^exactly. that thing's been in there at least a few days. wait, you're the op! you can tell us exactly how long that's been there then, and how long it's been colonized, etc. do you see little white dots forming all over the substrate as well? i'm quite curious bout this now.
Yes im the op muahahaha but yeah its been there for idk honestly they have been colonizing for atleast 3 and a half weeks now, and i didnt check up on that jar for like 5 days so i think its been growing for like 3 days its atleast an inch long pretty big and it looks meaty not like your average pin its a full onn mushroom with a pin cap haha their white all over so i think their 100% colonized considering its been about 3 and a half weeks now
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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: Cosmic Fool]
#16833538 - 09/12/12 08:10 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do you guys think i should dunk it or just birth straight away and put it in the FC without dunking or running under tap?
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Re: big mushroom growing in my jar?should i dunk now (pics) [Re: Simplymarkkim]
#16833662 - 09/12/12 08:51 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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you should always dunk. no matter what. noone will desagree with that. and ya tap water is fine
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