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small (short) mushrooms.
    #16829130 - 09/11/12 01:54 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

what causes small mushrooms to grow? mushrooms come to full maturity, however very small. Lack of FAE?

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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #16829197 - 09/11/12 02:06 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

could be both...

I'd imagine it has more to do with MS genetics.  What's your FC look like?


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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: creationdivine]
    #16829396 - 09/11/12 02:42 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

its a standard shotgun with a tropic air humidifier and air exchanger.

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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #16829538 - 09/11/12 03:03 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Genetics.  I had the same thing just recently happen to me.

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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #16829797 - 09/11/12 03:48 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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...with a tropic air humidifier and air exchanger.



what is wrong with your arms?

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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #16829818 - 09/11/12 03:51 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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its a standard shotgun with a tropic air humidifier and air exchanger.



Then it's not a standard SGFC. How do you expect us to help you when you've built your own method?


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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: cloudpersona]
    #16830003 - 09/11/12 04:31 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

If the water content of the substrate is off, too dry or even too wet, you can get some tiny mushrooms.


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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: Kizzle]
    #16830110 - 09/11/12 04:48 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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If the water content of the substrate is off, too dry or even too wet, you can get some tiny mushrooms.




:whathesaid:

Genetics are a possibility, as well as not following the SGFC tek.

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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: JoeMama1992]
    #16833074 - 09/12/12 02:37 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Lack of FAE will cause long spindly stems, not underdeveloped ones.

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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: Therian]
    #16833148 - 09/12/12 03:46 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i had small shrooms for a long time. used ms too, when i started crumbling cakes to coir and doing grains, my shrooms grew much bigger, i mean normal size.
can genetics become better with ms?


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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: TheStormsEye]
    #16833711 - 09/12/12 09:06 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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what is wrong with your arms?




I'm not always available to fan, so I had to improvise.

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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #16833721 - 09/12/12 09:08 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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what is wrong with your arms?




I'm not always available to fan, so I had to improvise.





the SGFC is designed to be misted once every 12 hours.

i think you can manage that.

your issue is more than likely too much water.

due to your fogger.

but you didnt post pics, so im just guessing based on what you are describing.


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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: k00laid]
    #16833733 - 09/12/12 09:12 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

well that's funny, cause most of the info on this site says to mist and fan multiple times daily, not just once.

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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #16833739 - 09/12/12 09:14 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

:shrug: and the speed LIMIT is 45.

i'll go 55 if i want, and skip a day misting my mushrooms.

im such a rebel.


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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: k00laid]
    #16833755 - 09/12/12 09:18 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

that was super helpful, thanks.

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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #16833760 - 09/12/12 09:19 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'm sure there was a time when you all were noobs and not so high on your sarcastic horses.

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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #16833770 - 09/12/12 09:21 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

:lolsy: dont take offense, but if you search more, you will find just as many people saying mist 2x a day, as there are saying mist 4x a day, and 0x a day.


there are people who will tell you brf cakes are a waste of time.
there are people who will tell you everything different from what im telling you.


you can believe me or them, im just telling you how it can be done, and how i think you should do it.


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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: k00laid]
    #16833785 - 09/12/12 09:25 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i think you should mist more, rather than more often.


mushrooms love inconsistent moisture.


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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #16833861 - 09/12/12 09:46 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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well that's funny, cause most of the info on this site says to mist and fan multiple times daily, not just once.




For best results. But you can fruit cakes and trays in a SGFC without fanning or misting. It works anyway, although fanning and misting will give you more and better flushes.

Also, small fruits are often the result of lack of water. So mist heavily, like koolaid already suggested.


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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: LeopardMan]
    #16834006 - 09/12/12 10:29 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

ok right on, will remove air exchanger and do it the right way.

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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #16834063 - 09/12/12 10:48 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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ok right on, will remove air exchanger and do it the right way.



If you fix that I bet your next flush will be 10x better. MS does give inconsistency so if they're all tiny like that IMO it's too consistent to blame on genetics.


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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: Kizzle]
    #16834119 - 09/12/12 11:02 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Excessive Humidity and Moisture can cause this, as well as dwarfed or retarded primordia/caps opening early on underdeveloped mushrooms


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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: Brain Fart]
    #16834160 - 09/12/12 11:13 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Excessive Humidity




That doesn't exist in mushroom cultivation


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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: LeopardMan]
    #16834214 - 09/12/12 11:24 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Its from TMC. Maybe its outdated but I have had issues with this happening when there was to much moisture for sure. maybe the humidity was not the cause, but it is stated in TMC.


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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: Brain Fart]
    #16834325 - 09/12/12 11:41 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Its from TMC. Maybe its outdated




It is. There is no such a thing as too much RH in mushroom cultivation. Mushrooms love 95%+ RH and they thrive in FCs with 100% RH. I just pointed that out because too many new growers are excessively worried about RH and statements like that tend to worry them even more  :noob:


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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: LeopardMan]
    #16834353 - 09/12/12 11:47 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I guess your right I did not think of it that way lol. In fact I knew that but for some reason never put two and two together.

My experience must have been related to incorrect moisture levels(being on the to wet side likely)

I have GGMM TMC and Mycelium Running as well as a few cultivation books from the 70s. Sometimes it all gets confused so excuse me and thanks for the correction:awehigh:


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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: Brain Fart]
    #16834354 - 09/12/12 11:48 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Well, high humidity could be a factor as in you might not see them without it or something but it wouldn't be a cause since you should always have high humidity.


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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: Brain Fart]
    #16834402 - 09/12/12 11:56 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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My experience must have been related to incorrect moisture levels(being on the to wet side likely)





yeah, that can indeed become an issue. Too much water often stunts growth and results in poor performance :thumbup:


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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: LeopardMan]
    #16834415 - 09/12/12 11:58 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It, was likely due to improperly built FCs back in the day and excessive misting.. I love my new GH :heart: I have 2 now

Wow looking back I have come a long way lol


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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: Brain Fart]
    #16836455 - 09/12/12 05:26 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

whats a GH. Thanks for the replies.

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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #16836461 - 09/12/12 05:27 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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whats a GH. Thanks for the replies.



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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #16836497 - 09/12/12 05:33 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

One more thing, I fan after misting but no matter how much I fan there is water droplets left on the myc growing out of the verm. The misting flattens the fluffy myc and makes it resemble hills of hyphal knots. Will droplets of water (very small droplets not big globs of water) hurt anything? would have to fan for an hour to get all the moisture off. I figure dew must cause the same effects in nature.

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Re: small (short) mushrooms. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #16837059 - 09/12/12 06:51 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

small droplets of mist are fine.  In my experience I've found that cakes on the dryer side will pin better since water evaporating off the substrate promotes pin growth.


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