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Boiling the rye seeds 10 minutes.
    #16827645 - 09/11/12 06:58 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Hey Men. " i did checked the search function.
So RYE jars that i prepared, were simmered generally and at the end i always find wet spot bacteria having party in the jar . Anyway couple of times i tried to boil. After boiling the rye seeds were expanded and was like big and kinda not in good shape. But no bacteria .. So as my memory says.. There are people suggesting 10 min. Boiling for good sterilization. And there are ones that say bring to simmer and keep it there( got alot of wet spot ) ... Soon the season might start for me. Thanks to ideas.


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Re: Boiling the rye seeds 10 minutes. [Re: Hate]
    #16827660 - 09/11/12 07:03 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Rye should be rinsed well, and soaked for no more
then 24 hours. Bring grains to a boil and reduce heat
to allow them to simmer for 10-15 minutes. Once done
spread them out on a towel or something to allow them
to dry. Once dry load your jars.

Use THIS method.


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Re: Boiling the rye seeds 10 minutes. [Re: Hate]
    #16827669 - 09/11/12 07:06 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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So RYE jars that i prepared, were simmered generally and at the end i always find wet spot bacteria having party in the jar.




Spoken like a true Russian, lol.

The simmer is for forcing water into the grains, not sterilizing....the sterilization process is during the pressure cooking cycle.


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Re: Boiling the rye seeds 10 minutes. [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #16827679 - 09/11/12 07:13 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

))...Yes generally i give 1 day for soaking. But i dont really dry them. .. After simmering i do take them and hold them under the cold water .. And than i wait untill they are not giving water drops.. So i load for pc... Uh do you think the cold water giving wet spot?..What about boiling? 10 min. Boiling better maybe.


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Re: Boiling the rye seeds 10 minutes. [Re: Hate]
    #16827684 - 09/11/12 07:17 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Dry them properly - boil 10 minutes, then dump straight into a strainer. Toss every few minutes until they're not dripping any more then put them on a paper towel. Stick them in a mixing bowl, add a pinch of gypsum and stir. Load into jars and PC.

I've found that going for 'too dry' seems to hit the spot, I've never had a jar contam but the wetter ones take quite a while.

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Re: Boiling the rye seeds 10 minutes. [Re: GoldenArrow]
    #16827720 - 09/11/12 07:32 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

"Hitting the spot means" as essential point or getting the "wet spot" bacteria? And what is gypsium for exactly?


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Re: Boiling the rye seeds 10 minutes. [Re: Hate]
    #16827726 - 09/11/12 07:35 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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"Hitting the spot means" as essential point or getting the "wet spot" bacteria? And what is gypsium for exactly?



Hit the spot = performs perfectly

Gypsum stops the grains clumping and also dries things up a little.

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Re: Boiling the rye seeds 10 minutes. [Re: GoldenArrow]
    #16827757 - 09/11/12 07:44 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Roger .. The information has gotten .. Will do that. Thank you guys :smile:


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Re: Boiling the rye seeds 10 minutes. [Re: GoldenArrow]
    #16827776 - 09/11/12 07:52 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Gypsum is a luxury additive to grain/bulk that is 100% non-essential.

If you do decide to go the gypsum road, make sure it is food grade or horticultural grade. The industrial gypsum contains anti-fungicides (dry wall sheets)

I had success using the drywall compound (hydrated, dried, crushed up) but had alot of mold issues in my environment so never got around to seeing the results.

And rye is shakable without the addition of gypsum, very, very small clumps and they get broken up once spawned anyways.


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Re: Boiling the rye seeds 10 minutes. [Re: Hate]
    #16827936 - 09/11/12 09:05 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I just did 200 quarts, rinsed organic rye berries till water poured clean then soaked in gypsum water for 24 hours then start trying to bring water to full boil takes about 30 mins on a shitty electric stove in my pc and then I give it 10, steam, load, pressure cook, cool, then knock

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Re: Boiling the rye seeds 10 minutes. [Re: DuffKid]
    #16828034 - 09/11/12 09:36 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The main point of the boil is for steam to be generated during the drying step.  After the boil I lay my rye out on a window screen until dry.

I know they are try by doing the toilet paper test.  It's simple.  Take a square of tp, put a small bit of rye on it, wait 15 seconds, remove rye berries.  If there was a wet mark left behind they need more time, if not, they are good to be loaded in jars.

After the boil there should be no second rinse or anything but the aforementioned.

Lastly, I add the gypsum during the soak and NEVER have any clumping.

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Re: Boiling the rye seeds 10 minutes. [Re: Thadeous]
    #16828621 - 09/11/12 11:56 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Mmh why do we boil 10 min than .. 1 minute will be enough to get them to generating. Maybe  i guess . İncreasing the water % in the seeds .. Since rye berries are really bad suckers .. this might be the point.

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Re: Boiling the rye seeds 10 minutes. [Re: Hate]
    #16828677 - 09/11/12 12:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Hate said:
Mmh why do we boil 10 min than .. 1 minute will be enough to get them to generating. Maybe  i guess . İncreasing the water % in the seeds .. Since rye berries are really bad suckers .. this might be the point.



Hm, that reminds me that the boil DOES add moisture to the rye.  The soak saturates them, and makes them more malleable.  This reduces the chance of the grains bursting during the boil where the retain more water.

So there are two reason for a boil at least.  lol.

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Re: Boiling the rye seeds 10 minutes. [Re: Thadeous]
    #16829201 - 09/11/12 02:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Exactly) .. Or in other way after 24 hour soaking period.. We would get the Hairdrier from mom and get them generated .. )

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Re: Boiling the rye seeds 10 minutes. [Re: Hate]
    #16829823 - 09/11/12 03:52 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Technically (and it does work, check my journal) you can just soak rye for 24 hours, rinse it real good, let the excess water drain, load and pc..... If the rye is prepared like this you can load it wet, the water will be absorbed during the pc cycle.

:wink:

I made up 50/50 rye/millet jars and found out it was hulled millet so the simmer was out of the question (would have turned mushy) so I skipped that and just loaded it wet like I was saying and it came out perfectly fine (other then alot of exploded millet kernels)



You should still simmer rye for 10-15 minutes but its not totally necessary if you dont over dry the rye.


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Re: Boiling the rye seeds 10 minutes. [Re: HybridprX]
    #16833160 - 09/12/12 04:04 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Hell no.... even when i simmer 15 mins. i get wet spots.. İ cant imagine what kind of microbes or even aliens would my cakes creates with yor tecnique.. Lol.  But yeh respect to yu hybrid. You are brave man :smile:

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Re: Boiling the rye seeds 10 minutes. [Re: HybridprX]
    #16833162 - 09/12/12 04:08 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Reason....i misread something.

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Re: Boiling the rye seeds 10 minutes. [Re: PussyFart]
    #16833234 - 09/12/12 05:30 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The wet spot is from in proper sterilization Hate....

Or it could be (very, very rarely) a above normal endospore count in the rye grain that you're using.

I use to get wet spot alot, Ever since I ignored the recommended water levels for the pressure cooker (1-2 inches) and increased the water level to the same level as the grain in the jar (3/4 of the way full) I have only had one contaminate jar and that was when I experimented leaving the water level half way up the grains.....

Try it out and post your results.


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Re: Boiling the rye seeds 10 minutes. [Re: HybridprX]
    #16833415 - 09/12/12 07:05 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

You dont know how important your last post to me ... I only have 8L PC. And when i try to put in it proper water, there remains no place for jars.. Since than i am making my own microwawe bags for pc ...so water half way of grains huh.
:sad: i am gona cry from of happines..
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Re: Boiling the rye seeds 10 minutes. [Re: Hate]
    #16833471 - 09/12/12 07:36 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

No, not half way up...

Fill the pressure cooker with water until the water level is level with the grain.



The red lines mark off where the grain is in the jars and where the water needs to come up to. Be careful that the water does not clog the pc'd vent (It shouldn't)

Once the water is boiling, place on the pressure cookers lid, watch for a steady flow of steam escaping from the vent and then attach the weight or toggle switch to 15psi, let it go for 120 minutes Hate (two hours) if it works, next time, go for 90 minutes to see if it still works out for you.

(cutt down the pc time gradually until you find out what works) but yea, two hours at 15psi with the water levels level with the grain will defiantly do the trick.


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