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Fruiting bulk treys in a shotgun FC? would this work?
    #16821498 - 09/10/12 03:10 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Ok so i had an idea for a shotgun FC designed to fruit 2 or more mini bulk treys using a grate of some sort... which leaves me wondering a few things, like;

-should i leave the colonized sub in the treys ...or dump out on the grate and fruit as a brick?

- should i add more holes than usual or just treat it like im fruiting brf cakes?...

-should i use poly-fill?

-should i still mist...and if so how often?

-and most importantly to me...what specific modifications should i make to maximize efficiency?
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Re: Fruiting bulk treys in a shotgun FC? would this work? [Re: sooperdooper]
    #16821581 - 09/10/12 04:04 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

-Leave in try's.

-Same hole's as usual.

-Polyfil it's not needed.

-Mist and fan twice a day. You start out misting light enough to darken the verm, not so much that it's glistening. Fan for 5 sec with one of your mini tub lid's.
When it begins to fruit, mist a little more heavy and fad fan for 10sec.

-Don't use a SGFC. Buy another clear tub to put on top of your colonized tub's and make a shoebox. 1/4 holes every 2" in the lid, starting at zero. Shoebox Tek


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Re: Fruiting bulk treys in a shotgun FC? would this work? [Re: x CiVil x]
    #16821651 - 09/10/12 05:13 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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x CiVil x said:
-Leave in try's.

-Same hole's as usual.

-Polyfil it's not needed.

-Mist and fan twice a day. You start out misting light enough to darken the verm, not so much that it's glistening. Fan for 5 sec with one of your mini tub lid's.
When it begins to fruit, mist a little more heavy and fad fan for 10sec.

-Don't use a SGFC. Buy another clear tub to put on top of your colonized tub's and make a shoebox. 1/4 holes every 2" in the lid, starting at zero. Shoebox Tek




thanx for the advice...the shoebox tek looks promising.
so would the perlite not be beneficial to bulk treys?


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Re: Fruiting bulk treys in a shotgun FC? would this work? [Re: sooperdooper]
    #16821707 - 09/10/12 06:02 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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sooperdooper said:
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x CiVil x said:
-Leave in try's.

-Same hole's as usual.

-Polyfil it's not needed.

-Mist and fan twice a day. You start out misting light enough to darken the verm, not so much that it's glistening. Fan for 5 sec with one of your mini tub lid's.
When it begins to fruit, mist a little more heavy and fad fan for 10sec.

-Don't use a SGFC. Buy another clear tub to put on top of your colonized tub's and make a shoebox. 1/4 holes every 2" in the lid, starting at zero. Shoebox Tek




thanx for the advice...the shoebox tek looks promising.
so would the perlite not be beneficial to bulk treys?



No, the bulk substrate works in the same way as the perlite.


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Re: Fruiting bulk treys in a shotgun FC? would this work? [Re: cloudpersona]
    #16821823 - 09/10/12 07:19 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

You can dump your trays out and fruit as bricks, this is fine. they will fruit just like cakes,
treat them exactly like cakes.
SGFC and all


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Re: Fruiting bulk treys in a shotgun FC? would this work? [Re: Grumpyorc]
    #16821990 - 09/10/12 08:21 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I dumped a whole 60L monotub in a GH once, It fruited alright, But my Gh was not dialed in at the time..







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Re: Fruiting bulk treys in a shotgun FC? would this work? [Re: PureHash]
    #16823317 - 09/10/12 01:52 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

impressive yield sir :thumbup: ...what bulk sub did u use?


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Re: Fruiting bulk treys in a shotgun FC? would this work? [Re: Grumpyorc]
    #16823340 - 09/10/12 01:57 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Would the side-pins affect the overall yield vs. just keeping the sub in the tray and letting it fruit vertically?...(sorry, new to bulk treys)


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Re: Fruiting bulk treys in a shotgun FC? would this work? [Re: sooperdooper]
    #16823484 - 09/10/12 02:20 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Would the side-pins affect the overall yield vs. just keeping the sub in the tray and letting it fruit vertically?...(sorry, new to bulk treys)



It'll put out about the same amount overall.
Personally id rather fruit it out of the tray if it were in a SGFC. which if it were me it would be


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Re: Fruiting bulk treys in a shotgun FC? would this work? [Re: Grumpyorc]
    #16823724 - 09/10/12 02:56 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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sooperdooper said:
Would the side-pins affect the overall yield vs. just keeping the sub in the tray and letting it fruit vertically?...(sorry, new to bulk treys)



It'll put out about the same amount overall.
Personally id rather fruit it out of the tray if it were in a SGFC. which if it were me it would be



Thanx for the tip...ill def. be fruiting as a brick after seeing the resulting flushes from blocks.  :grin:


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Re: Fruiting bulk treys in a shotgun FC? would this work? [Re: sooperdooper]
    #16824348 - 09/10/12 04:44 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It was a standard coir verm  mix via damion5050's bulk tek.


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Re: Fruiting bulk treys in a shotgun FC? would this work? [Re: PureHash]
    #16827033 - 09/11/12 01:15 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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It was a standard coir verm  mix via damion5050's bulk tek.



I had planed on spawning to hpoo but i've heard coir is waay more forgiving...


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Re: Fruiting bulk treys in a shotgun FC? would this work? [Re: sooperdooper]
    #16827085 - 09/11/12 01:30 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The clear tops that come on lasagna pans (with a couple holes poked in) work great.
Its like a half sized mono


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Re: Fruiting bulk treys in a shotgun FC? would this work? [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #16829405 - 09/11/12 02:43 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

If you haven't done bulk before then I would follow damion5050's coir tek. It is stupid simple, and yes coir is forgiving, but you need a high enough spawn ratio, or its going to contaminate aswell. No bulk sub is sterilized, they are pasturized, meaning that the substrate is at a balancing point between itself. Over time a certan mold or bacteria in the dirt can take over, and contaminate your trays (in any substrate) so when you use a 1:2 or 1:3 spawn ratio you will have better chances for success then with a 1:10 ratio (its possible, but a lot harder)

When you introduce a mushroom spawn at high spawn ratios into a bulk substrate it basically overwhelms other molds and bacteria, taking over the substrate quickly. If you use a lower spawn ratio, you need to be cautious as to not intoduce anything else that may consume your substrate. With high spawn ratios, the mycelium can over power most of the other oranizms in the soil.

Basically this is why mushrooms grow easilly on their own outdoors, but not so well indoors. Mother nature has found a fine balancing point between all organizms, besides human beings.. But anyway, the mushroom can survive outside because all the oranizms in the soil keep molds, and other contsaminates at bay, while the mycelium can colonize the substrate.

This is also why if you STERILIZE bulk subs you will most likely end in contamination. When pasturized, the micro organizms that survive, keep the molds and other bacteria at a balancing point where noone wins when you sterilize, nothing is living accept what you spawn to it. When sterile subs are used, they need to be kept sterile. 1 mold spore can fuck it up. When pasturized, that mold spore wouldn't stand a chance, bacause all the other micro organizms wouldn't give the mold spores a chance to germinate.

Excuse any grammar, spelling mistakes, and what-not. Just typed that out on my BlackBerry.
Hope this helps, or clears things up a bit for you.


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Re: Fruiting bulk treys in a shotgun FC? would this work? [Re: PureHash]
    #16830337 - 09/11/12 05:30 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

thanx for the insight bro...ive looked alot into coir but it's not exactly readily available where i live(no pet or garden stores)...i would have to either order it,drive 4 hours or just use hpoo...seeing as the latter is abundant and free it seems less of a hassle. but i really dont want to skimp on my first bulk attempt. Also vermiculite is not sold at all in my little bible belt community due to its "scary" asbestos content. So hpoo is looking pretty good. Is there any room for innovation on the casing material or does it have to be verm. Ive heard of people trying to case wit coir...but that would just be like adding more substrate wuddnt it? Is casing bulk or mixing in the verm for aeration 100% necessary?  (sorry i know i ask alot of questions:stoned:)


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