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***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost***
    #16813123 - 09/08/12 07:17 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Has anyone tried Shroom Supply prepasturized compost with their casing mix?

My first plan was to make a monotub with their dehydrated horse manure but then I seen their compost was already pre pasteurized with more ingredients and figured it would be easier.


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Re: ***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost*** [Re: MiNdTwIsTeR]
    #16813143 - 09/08/12 07:21 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

its way better and way cheaper to make ur own....just  :2cents:

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Re: ***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost*** [Re: PussyFart]
    #16813228 - 09/08/12 07:35 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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its way better and way cheaper to make ur own....just  :2cents:



What do you mean as in make my own? Buy the dehydrated hpoond pasteurize it myself? Or make a coir mix? Because I can't find any hoop where I live .

Its either order the pre-pasturized compost...
Order the dehydrated h-poo and add straw that I can obtain...
Or make a coir mix


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Re: ***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost*** [Re: MiNdTwIsTeR]
    #16813282 - 09/08/12 07:48 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Ur best bet is to just buy coir since its so easy to find, im sure theres at least one store within throwing distance that supplie it. And/or buy a small thing of straw from a vendor. For less hassle than poo imo and just as good if not better results.


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Re: ***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost*** [Re: Z O M G]
    #16813348 - 09/08/12 08:01 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Coir is not subpar by any means. It gets the job done. It's cheap.

If you're interested in manure and can't find it locally then it will become costly.

What are you going to be growing?


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Re: ***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost*** [Re: Z O M G]
    #16813368 - 09/08/12 08:05 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

If you can find coir I'd just use that. It's easy to prepare, resistant to contamination, as performs nearly if not as well as manure. I actually prefer it and only manure when it's free.

To answer your question I've never ordered compost from there but it's a sponsor so it's probably quality stuff and prepasteurized means little work to prepare.


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Re: ***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost*** [Re: Kizzle]
    #16813393 - 09/08/12 08:09 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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All good points


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Re: ***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost*** [Re: Wing]
    #16813542 - 09/08/12 08:42 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Guess ill just try the coir...what do you guys suggest is the best coir tek

Only reason I like hpoo so much is cause the last grow I had was 100% hpoo and it did amazing...

Although I can't obtain hpoo like that anymore because how I got that was there was like 10 families of amish that lived within a 5 mile radius and I just scooped their droppings off the road and dried them out on a large piece of sheet metal in 100F sun for a few days until the poo crumpled easily when squeeze

But with the last 6 months all amish have left the area so that source is gone :frown:


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Re: ***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost*** [Re: MiNdTwIsTeR]
    #16814062 - 09/08/12 10:04 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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What do you mean as in make my own?




Nothing is cheaper than free manure. If you can locate a stables they may have more crap than they know what to do with, just ask. The place near me always has a large pile of partially composted manure. They used to push it down into the ravine beside the stable grounds but laws changed and they now have to pay to dispose of whatever they don't get rid of.

If it's available a pickup truck and manure pitchfork would be ideal, but a shovel and some trash bags will get the job done. People use it as a soil amendment; flower beds, lawns, etc. In hot months you can sun leach by laying it out thin on a tarp, turn it occasionally and soak it occasionally if it isn't raining. When it's all brown and has no smell of ammonia it can be pasteurized. The tie goes to compost if you make it yourself. Compost can be made from just about any plant material including manure.

The second cheapest substrate is straw. It's still under $10 a bale here. That is a lot of substrate for the money. Trying to use scissors or a paper cutter is a pain in the ass. Shredding the straw in a trash can with a weed eater can quickly turn straw into a consistent material and will fluff out the volume about 4x the bale size. This is about 8 cubic feet of sub! Straw is an excellent additive to hpoo but can also be used all by itself or could be used in a 70/30 mix with verm.


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Re: ***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost*** [Re: Rahz]
    #16814301 - 09/08/12 10:52 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

This is probably the most popular tek:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595#11916595

Only problem is any other substrate ingredients like straw or manure wouldn't be properly pasteurized by the procedure so it only really works with verm and coir (and gypsum if you want)


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Re: ***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost*** [Re: Kizzle]
    #16814540 - 09/08/12 11:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Coir is uberpwnage. I suggest adding about 25-40% vermiculate to your coir. Gives it a nice texture. If you can find gypsum add 10% gypsum for some serious punch. But all of that is probably in the tek. DONT use coffee with that tek. its not reliable enough. I wouldn't use manure with that tek either but you could probably get away with it


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Re: ***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost*** [Re: Grumpyorc]
    #16814668 - 09/09/12 12:15 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Where the nutrients in coir and Verm mix? Is there really that many mutes in Verm?


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Re: ***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost*** [Re: MiNdTwIsTeR]
    #16814687 - 09/09/12 12:19 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

verm has no nutrients, coir has a lot.

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Re: ***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost*** [Re: PussyFart]
    #16814716 - 09/09/12 12:25 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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verm has no nutrients, coir has a lot.



Verm does have nutrients. It's actually a pretty good bulk substrate material. RR


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Re: ***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost*** [Re: MiNdTwIsTeR]
    #16814730 - 09/09/12 12:27 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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cody8892000 said:
Quote:

Notahacker420 said:
verm has no nutrients, coir has a lot.



Verm does have nutrients. It's actually a pretty good bulk substrate material. RR



ok not a lot of nutrients is what i should have said.

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Re: ***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost*** [Re: PussyFart]
    #16814751 - 09/09/12 12:32 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

So coir works just as well as hpoo?


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Re: ***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost*** [Re: MiNdTwIsTeR]
    #16814755 - 09/09/12 12:33 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

some say poo is a lil better...its debatable...but for the most part yes.

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Re: ***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost*** [Re: PussyFart]
    #16814776 - 09/09/12 12:38 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Is eco earth ok that's what nearest pet shop carries


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Re: ***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost*** [Re: MiNdTwIsTeR]
    #16814847 - 09/09/12 12:53 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Is eco earth ok that's what nearest pet shop carries



Yes


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Re: ***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost*** [Re: PussyFart]
    #16814996 - 09/09/12 01:40 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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some say poo is a lil better...its debatable...but for the most part yes.




Hardly a debate. You went from saying verm has no nutrients to "oh I guess I should of said it has some" which showed that you weren't 100% on something before posting it and now you're going on about how it's debatable that poop is a little better than coco coir.

There's no debate, both horse and cow poo out perform coir. Present things as facts if you know, I don't see the point in talking about things you're not even sure about. :shrug:

EDIT: Judging by your ratings as well I'm not the first person who has noticed you just wing it a small portion of the time. I'm not going to give you a bad rating for something as small as this but you need to work on having educated answers rather than shit you just regurgitate from a bad thread you thought was accurate.

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Re: ***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost*** [Re: VaeVictum]
    #16815022 - 09/09/12 01:52 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

:dumblol:


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Re: ***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost*** [Re: VaeVictum]
    #16815071 - 09/09/12 02:17 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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There's no debate, both horse and cow poo out perform coir.




Is there something written up on this? Is it your experience? Curious.


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Re: ***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost*** [Re: Mr.D]
    #16815073 - 09/09/12 02:18 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

:ancientaliens:

Gotcha....at least i corrected myself

and coir will work just as well....in the sense that they both will work well.

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Re: ***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost*** [Re: Rahz]
    #16815773 - 09/09/12 07:26 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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There's no debate, both horse and cow poo out perform coir.




Is there something written up on this? Is it your experience? Curious.



I speak ONLY from experience so here goes:
manure outperforms coir. yes. no debate as far as im concerned
that being said
manure turns to a yucky mud where the "squeeze" method of checking moisture doesn't work. you squeeze it and it just plops out disgustingly between your fingers. Which is why I add like 40% verm. To give it the familiar "substrate" texture.
Mushrooms are like 90% water. Fine grade verm holds WAY more water then manure alone
its not always about nutes
Now if you take the coir, add gypsum and coffee, and pasturize correctly, youll have something that will come in neck and neck with manure.
Now add a handful of manure to your coir and you have a substrate that is not only potent, it is user friendly, and very fluffy ( you want fluffy)
oh upside to coir: its colonized WAY faster then manure. Goes back to that fluffy line

Eco earth rocks, I'v used that same brand. Since your just begining IMO it would be best with you to start with coir, the first additive you should start playing with is gypsum. When your confidant there , then start adding other things.

Good luck man coir kicks ass. Don't start thinking youll get a sub par flush just becasue you went with coir. youll get great flushes with it
get gypsum. it is powerful
oh, and i know my thoughts are getting scattered but you should add verm to your coir bulk sub too, like 25% but works fine without. good luck


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Re: ***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost*** [Re: Grumpyorc]
    #16834011 - 09/12/12 10:30 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Since this thread was originally about SHROOM SUPPLY's pre-pasteurized manure compost, I thought it would be appropriate to chime in.

Our compost is a fantastic product. As a matter of fact, it is our best selling product and IMHO the best quality bulk substrate blend available on the market. It is way better than anything you'll be able to make yourself without great resources and a lot of hard work.

Our compost is composed of six main ingredients including an organic compost specifically designed for mycological use, dehydrated horse manure, exotic zoo manure, organic coconut coir, vermiculite, and gypsum. This diverse blend of unique ingredients provides the perfect amount of nutrition for optimal mycelial growth, making it the ideal growing medium for mushroom cultivation.

Our compost has been in working development for close to a decade and we have been selling it for over three years with nothing but positive feedback. We have some customers that order several hundred pounds of the stuff on a monthly basis. Trust me... it's GREAT stuff.

The best part about it is that it comes pre-pasteurized and hydrated to the perfect moisture content, making it ready to use right out of the bag. Simply add colonized grain spawn, mix, and add to your fruiting chamber or grow bag.

If you have any questions about our product, I'll be happy to answer them :thumbup:

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Re: ***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost*** [Re: ShroomSupply.com]
    #16834212 - 09/12/12 11:24 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Question on gypsum. I have found pellets of gypsum but not the powder. Where do folks but gypsum powder?

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Re: ***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost*** [Re: quebus]
    #16834242 - 09/12/12 11:28 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

pelletized is the same thing...measure it like u would powdered gypsum.

pellets just have a binding agent in them...they dissolve in water

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Re: ***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost*** [Re: quebus]
    #16834271 - 09/12/12 11:33 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The pellets will dissolve. It is slower than powder though. Sometimes when I get bored I'll put pellets in a thick plastic bag and smash it with a hammer. It can get messy but it seems to work OK.


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Re: ***Shroom Supply Pre-Past. Compost*** [Re: quebus]
    #16834285 - 09/12/12 11:35 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Gypsum is gypsum... simple as that. It just depends what is available in your area. We sell a granular gypsum that isn't quite powder but is significantly smaller than traditional pelletized gypsum.


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