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Mantic


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The Mothershroom - Looking for advice
#16808920 - 09/08/12 12:01 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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So, back during my first grow with PF tek, I had somewhat slow colonization. When they were all finally colonized, This little pin on only 1 cake started growing in the jar. I was extremely careful with it during birthing and dunking and it managed to survive.
Here you can clearly see "cords" showing exceptionally healthy mycelium growth:

But those "cords" were only in that spot, why?
Two days later and BOOM:

Fully grown a couple days later:

At this point once it was fully grown, it would take another week for pins to even start forming on all the rest of the cakes. Also the size of the fruit from all the other cakes were drastically smaller, less than 1/3 the size on average.
This affectionately named "Mothershroom" due to it's size, was printed and made syringes and I finally got around to making more cakes nearly a year later.
Basically I'm looking for any advice on how to make this grow go better, how to make those cords form more uniformly etc. I actually came across a medical incubator for free which is currently maintaining them at an exact 27 degrees Celsius which I'm hoping will help.
Thanks!
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PussyFart
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Re: The Mothershroom - Looking for advice [Re: Mantic]
#16809453 - 09/08/12 03:36 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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clone and isolate on agar.
!!!whiskey talkin!!!!
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT!
A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD,
SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List,
EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE
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twistedty
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Re: The Mothershroom - Looking for advice [Re: PussyFart]
#16809557 - 09/08/12 04:48 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: clone and isolate on agar.
!!!whiskey talkin!!!!
yuppppppp. thats a real nice fruit you got there bro
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Revolutiontcm
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Re: The Mothershroom - Looking for advice [Re: twistedty]
#16809779 - 09/08/12 07:05 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Some times cakes only produce one huge shroom. I have an isolate that does that...
Temp isn't your issue... It's a collective condition temp, rh, lighting...the list of variables goes on, but seeing as how you're starting from spores you've probably lost that monsters genetics.
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Grumpyorc
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Re: The Mothershroom - Looking for advice [Re: Revolutiontcm]
#16809960 - 09/08/12 08:33 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Meh big shrooms are cool but why would you clone one. you get way more off a nice even flush
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Mantic


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Re: The Mothershroom - Looking for advice [Re: Grumpyorc]
#16810299 - 09/08/12 10:09 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, I wish I knew more or I may have tried to clone it but agar is a bit beyond me even now.
Is it likely for the spores a big one like this drops to have good genetics as well?
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boneynerd
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Re: The Mothershroom - Looking for advice [Re: Mantic]
#16810370 - 09/08/12 10:27 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Spores are like me shooting a load into a chick, theirs like a million copies of me.. which genes and traits carry on? no idea lol... spore print and keep em safe for later use ;P
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Timehole



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Re: The Mothershroom - Looking for advice [Re: Mantic]
#16810492 - 09/08/12 10:57 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey Mantic,
Ditch the incubator, higher colonization temps promote contamination. Plus if they are in a incubator they are possibly not receiving adequate gas exchange. Normal room temperature on an open shelf is far more ideal.
"Meh big shrooms are cool but why would you clone one. you get way more off a nice even flush" - This is extremely true, smaller fruits often have larger flushes resulting in a far better harvests.
I noticed a large boost in my cakes when I started using diluted coffee to replace water in the recipe and adding gypsum at one tablespoon per 5 cakes.
Finally ditch the cakes and learn bulk after this grow.
My two cents... Peace
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Wing
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Re: The Mothershroom - Looking for advice [Re: Mantic]
#16810669 - 09/08/12 11:37 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mantic said: Yeah, I wish I knew more or I may have tried to clone it but agar is a bit beyond me even now.
Is it likely for the spores a big one like this drops to have good genetics as well?
Agar is easy. If you have a PC it's as simple as stirring a pot for a few minutes, pouring it into some little jars and PCing.
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Mantic


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Re: The Mothershroom - Looking for advice [Re: Timehole]
#16811540 - 09/08/12 02:27 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Last grow was in the dead of winter in a house without central heat so I made a storage container incubator with an aquarium heater. It may have gotten too hot in there also so that's why I'm trying to be more careful about temps. Right now the incubator isn't even coming on, and it's been getting too hot so I've just been leaving the door open. At this point I may just take them out and maybe use the incubator in winter when this drafty old house is impossible to keep warm.
I do want to learn bulk, but I think my next project is going to be attempting to propagate the saved Pan Cyan spores I have that I took from the wild because they were just too good to let go bad. Only thing holding me back is getting some manure. Thinking jar, crumble, case method. Don't want to buy commercial manure but asking farmers for poop is weird...
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Re: The Mothershroom - Looking for advice [Re: Mantic]
#16811578 - 09/08/12 02:34 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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if its a wild print youll have to isolate it on agar
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Mantic


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Re: The Mothershroom - Looking for advice [Re: Grumpyorc]
#16811623 - 09/08/12 02:42 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Grumpyorc said: if its a wild print youll have to isolate it on agar
Huh? I can't just make a syringe with wild spores? Why?
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Grumpyorc
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Re: The Mothershroom - Looking for advice [Re: Mantic]
#16811631 - 09/08/12 02:43 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mantic said:
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Grumpyorc said: if its a wild print youll have to isolate it on agar
Huh? I can't just make a syringe with wild spores? Why?
Because its as dirty as my IE search history
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PussyFart
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Re: The Mothershroom - Looking for advice [Re: Grumpyorc]
#16811652 - 09/08/12 02:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Grumpyorc said:
Quote:
Mantic said:
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Grumpyorc said: if its a wild print youll have to isolate it on agar
Huh? I can't just make a syringe with wild spores? Why?
Because its as dirty as my IE search history
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT!
A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD,
SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List,
EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE
*** *** AFGHAN KUSH GROW LOG *** ***
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Wing
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Re: The Mothershroom - Looking for advice [Re: Grumpyorc]
#16811951 - 09/08/12 03:39 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Grumpyorc said:
Quote:
Mantic said:
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Grumpyorc said: if its a wild print youll have to isolate it on agar
Huh? I can't just make a syringe with wild spores? Why?
Because its as dirty as my IE search history
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Mantic


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Re: The Mothershroom - Looking for advice [Re: Wing]
#16812158 - 09/08/12 04:10 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hmmm, I have just been researching wild spores and agar and it seems like you've saved me from a big headache Grumpyorc... Thank you! Off to the Asian food mart to buy agar!
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