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psyconaught
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intentionally triggering aborts
#16802487 - 09/06/12 11:15 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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is this possible? since they are more potent than a "normal" cube it seems like they would be more desirable, unless im missing something, if so then point it out. but im in the colonization stage of my first grow and i think this would make it more worth while if possible
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Re: intentionally triggering aborts [Re: psyconaught]
#16802508 - 09/06/12 11:20 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Eating an abort is the same as eating an unaborted pin at the same stage of development.
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Re: intentionally triggering aborts [Re: psyconaught]
#16802509 - 09/06/12 11:20 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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If aborts really were more potent than a regularly matured shroom, we'd be picking them as soon as they pin 
Pick just before the veil tears
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Re: intentionally triggering aborts [Re: TheDeathryder] 1
#16802621 - 09/06/12 11:48 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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By most reports, aborts seem to be more potent.
But by weight they are just above average. If you were to compare the actives in an abort, they would be more concentrated. But more total available would be present in a full grown specimen.
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Re: intentionally triggering aborts [Re: psyconaught]
#16802815 - 09/07/12 12:58 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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psyconaught said: is this possible? since they are more potent than a "normal" cube it seems like they would be more desirable, unless im missing something, if so then point it out. but im in the colonization stage of my first grow and i think this would make it more worth while if possible
invitro pins that are elongated in a pf jar are the easiest way to get a knock off aborts
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Re: intentionally triggering aborts [Re: Montock]
#16802830 - 09/07/12 01:04 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I never found aborts to be anymore potent. I think its all myth and people just trick themselves.
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Re: intentionally triggering aborts [Re: zepski]
#16802891 - 09/07/12 01:31 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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All in their heads. The theory is, and my own experimentation supports it, that a mushroom has all the actives it will ever have right when it pins and only expands in size from there. If you take 2 grams of aborts, there would be WAY more actives than two grams of mature fruit bodies because there would be more of them. 10 abort pins = 10 mature fruit bodies in potency, but not in weight
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zepski
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Re: intentionally triggering aborts [Re: jenkinz]
#16802897 - 09/07/12 01:33 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Did you start from MS?
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psyconaught
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Re: intentionally triggering aborts [Re: zepski]
#16806708 - 09/07/12 05:59 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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zepski said: Did you start from MS?
yes
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Re: intentionally triggering aborts [Re: psyconaught]
#16806828 - 09/07/12 06:19 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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So it means absolutely nothing lol.
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Re: intentionally triggering aborts [Re: psyconaught]
#16808102 - 09/07/12 09:47 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's all conjecture since we'd need lab reports none of us have. But experts say aborts/pins are stronger by weight comparison. Doesn't mean abort = same as full grown shroom. That being said 2 grams of aborts with a nice 2 gram cap had one of my most intense trips.
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Re: intentionally triggering aborts [Re: Hellyen]
#16808123 - 09/07/12 09:51 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I ate 1.5 grams of aborts once and it felt like 2-3, but thats not a very scientific way of looking at it
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Re: intentionally triggering aborts [Re: Grumpyorc]
#16808448 - 09/07/12 10:37 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would agree with the majority, that, by weight, aborts would be more potent than a fully developed fruit body.
With this being said, most people just don't harvest aborts only because it's not practical. You could either get 10 aborts totaling ~2g or you could harvest 10 fully mature mushies and get ~30g. I'd rather have the 30g personally.
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Re: intentionally triggering aborts [Re: CoupsDeGrace]
#16808492 - 09/07/12 10:43 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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CoupsDeGrace said: I would agree with the majority, that, by weight, aborts would be more potent than a fully developed fruit body.
With this being said, most people just don't harvest aborts only because it's not practical. You could either get 10 aborts totaling ~2g or you could harvest 10 fully mature mushies and get ~30g. I'd rather have the 30g personally.
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Re: intentionally triggering aborts [Re: CoupsDeGrace]
#16808508 - 09/07/12 10:45 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Penis envy.) Eating aborts is like eating a seed compared to growing an apple. Aborts are just sooo tiny. If you wanted to purposely make them. You could probably do something they don't like. Radical changes ect. Kind of backwards tho. Eh?
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Re: intentionally triggering aborts [Re: Oeric McKenna]
#16808540 - 09/07/12 10:50 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: intentionally triggering aborts [Re: Oeric McKenna]
#16808544 - 09/07/12 10:50 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Or you could always harvest them as pins and let the substrate put the nutrients that would have been used to enlarge the fruitbody to make more pins.
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Re: intentionally triggering aborts [Re: TheDeathryder]
#16808584 - 09/07/12 10:56 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: intentionally triggering aborts [Re: Grumpyorc]
#16809162 - 09/08/12 12:59 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Grumpyorc said: coathanger
Haha! Toes to the stove, man.
I've seen evidence that flipping a cake upside down after it pins will cause them to abort. I can't say this is absolute, but I have seen abortions from rough handling, dunking, and bad FAE/RH. Again, no conclusive evidence that these things are guaranteed to give you what you want.
On that, however, why WOULD you want it? You said it's your first grow and if you try to induce aborts you'd be robbing yourself of one of the most majestic aspects of the hobby: Waking up to a tub of big, beautiful mushrooms!
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I ate 1.5 grams of aborts once and it felt like 2-3, but thats not a very scientific way of looking at it
This would be true because 1.5 grams of aborts would be an enormous number of individual mushrooms, which if they were fully developed would weigh in at far more than 2-3 grams.
Again, personal experience tells me that each individual mushroom, regardless of mass, provides X amount of actives based on genetics. I have taken 5 individual pins and tripped just as hard as taking 5 individual mature fruits from the same batch. Yes, it would be more efficient by weight to take pins/aborts, but for consistency and dosing by grams, full fruits are the accepted standard.
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psyconaught
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Re: intentionally triggering aborts [Re: jenkinz]
#16809176 - 09/08/12 01:03 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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jenkinz said:
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Grumpyorc said: coathanger
Haha! Toes to the stove, man.
I've seen evidence that flipping a cake upside down after it pins will cause them to abort. I can't say this is absolute, but I have seen abortions from rough handling, dunking, and bad FAE/RH. Again, no conclusive evidence that these things are guaranteed to give you what you want.
On that, however, why WOULD you want it? You said it's your first grow and if you try to induce aborts you'd be robbing yourself of one of the most majestic aspects of the hobby: Waking up to a tub of big, beautiful mushrooms!
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I ate 1.5 grams of aborts once and it felt like 2-3, but thats not a very scientific way of looking at it
This would be true because 1.5 grams of aborts would be an enormous number of individual mushrooms, which if they were fully developed would weigh in at far more than 2-3 grams.
Again, personal experience tells me that each individual mushroom, regardless of mass, provides X amount of actives based on genetics. I have taken 5 individual pins and tripped just as hard as taking 5 individual mature fruits from the same batch. Yes, it would be more efficient by weight to take pins/aborts, but for consistency and dosing by grams, full fruits are the accepted standard.
eh it was mainly just a thought i had, if it was desirable/possible then i definitally woundnt do it my first grow haha
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Re: intentionally triggering aborts [Re: psyconaught]
#16809243 - 09/08/12 01:32 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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There's nothing about aborting that would make them more potent. It's only that fact that they are immature that they may have more actives for their weight. Of course if you let them mature you'd have more weight hence more actives. There is a point, widely accepted as around the time the veil tears, where they will continue to grow but not produce more actives, so that's when most people harvest to get the most from their grow.
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