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imagineFigs
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Re: NW GA ID Help... Atlantis? Tampanensis? [Re: Gravija]
#16807536 - 09/07/12 08:32 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gravija said: op- Panaeolus cinctulus sounds great to me!
Hashfinger- Im describing fibril zones as "shit on the stem" from now on in honor of you
Nice. Thank you all.
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Bobzimmer
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Re: NW GA ID Help... Atlantis? Tampanensis? [Re: imagineFigs]
#16807564 - 09/07/12 08:36 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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"Shit on a stem" works for me...
-------------------- Mr. Mushrooms said: I will confess something that should be quite obvious, CC. I love mushrooms, i.e. fungi. I really do. I am talking about a strong feeling, i.e. emotion, for them. I think they are beautiful. I even dream of them.
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MacMerdin
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Re: NW GA ID Help... Atlantis? Tampanensis? [Re: Gravija]
#16807597 - 09/07/12 08:40 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gravija said: op- Panaeolus cinctulus sounds great to me!
Well...at least I had the genus correct.
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Im describing fibril zones as "shit on the stem" from now on in honor of you
Sounds good.
Edited by MacMerdin (09/07/12 08:41 PM)
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MacMerdin
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Re: NW GA ID Help... Atlantis? Tampanensis? [Re: MacMerdin]
#16807762 - 09/07/12 09:08 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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OP. In any case. I hope you keep the prints for further research.
To have so many differing opinions around here with all the expert TI's is an amazing thing IMO.
Good finds.
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imagineFigs
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Re: NW GA ID Help... Atlantis? Tampanensis? [Re: MacMerdin]
#16807901 - 09/07/12 09:23 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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MacMerdin said: OP. In any case. I hope you keep the prints for further research.
To have so many differing opinions around here with all the expert TI's is an amazing thing IMO.
Good finds.
I agree. This site is amazing. I'd been reading it for months before I joined. I found those beauties and I just had to know.
The prints are in a safe place and I plan to study them thoroughly.
Thanks again all for making a newb feel welcome.
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Gravija
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Re: NW GA ID Help... Atlantis? Tampanensis? [Re: imagineFigs]
#16807909 - 09/07/12 09:24 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for preparing an excellent ID request. In the future you should try to diffuse your flash with a piece of white paper. Unless, of course, there is a way to turn down the intensity on the camera.
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Hashfinger
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Re: NW GA ID Help... Atlantis? Tampanensis? [Re: Gravija]
#16808876 - 09/07/12 11:50 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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New taxonomical reference point: shit on stems. Where's A-rock on this one?
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Hashfinger
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Re: NW GA ID Help... Atlantis? Tampanensis? [Re: MacMerdin]
#16808967 - 09/08/12 12:12 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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MacMerdin said: To have so many differing opinions around here with all the expert TI's is an amazing thing IMO.
Kinda scary in mine. Maybe "expert TI's" arent as expert and T'd as we once thought? What the fuck does anyone know anyway?
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Re: NW GA ID Help... Atlantis? Tampanensis? [Re: Hashfinger]
#16809239 - 09/08/12 01:30 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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We all guess to the best of our abilities and that's all we can do.
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Re: NW GA ID Help... Atlantis? Tampanensis? [Re: Hashfinger]
#16809262 - 09/08/12 01:43 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hashfinger said: Maybe "expert TI's" arent as expert and T'd as we once thought?
Try to do better
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Bobzimmer
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Re: NW GA ID Help... Atlantis? Tampanensis? [Re: Hashfinger]
#16809729 - 09/08/12 06:27 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hashfinger said:
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MacMerdin said: To have so many differing opinions around here with all the expert TI's is an amazing thing IMO.
Kinda scary in mine. Maybe "expert TI's" arent as expert and T'd as we once thought? What the fuck does anyone know anyway?
MacMerdin, what differing opinions!?! "All" the TI's (2) agree on Panaeolus. I made a misidentification. Pretty common thing when IDing from pics. It wouldn't have happened if I'd had the mushrooms in my hand. With a little help from some non-TI's we got it sorted out. Not amazing...typical.
Hashfinger, no one here claims to be an expert. If you don't trust the IDers here, by all means give it a shot yourself. It was one of the TIs that stopped you from spreading misinformation here...
Why are you guys trying to make this into something it's not?
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MacMerdin
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Re: NW GA ID Help... Atlantis? Tampanensis? [Re: Bobzimmer]
#16809748 - 09/08/12 06:40 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bobzimmer said: MacMerdin, what differing opinions!?! "All" the TI's (2) agree on Panaeolus. I made a misidentification. Pretty common thing when IDing from pics. It wouldn't have happened if I'd had the mushrooms in my hand. With a little help from some non-TI's we got it sorted out. Not amazing...typical.
True. It is very hard from just pics. I just thought it was pretty special that there was a question at first with these guys (an amazing find....... not being a typical cinct find....still not sure I agree with cincts though). That's all I ment.
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Why are you guys trying to make this into something it's not?
I'm definately not. You TI's have probably saved quite a few lives.
Edited by MacMerdin (09/08/12 06:52 AM)
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Bobzimmer
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Re: NW GA ID Help... Atlantis? Tampanensis? [Re: MacMerdin]
#16809758 - 09/08/12 06:47 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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I know MacMerdin, you're ok in my book...and you're right, it is a nice find.
They should make Gravija a TI...
-------------------- Mr. Mushrooms said: I will confess something that should be quite obvious, CC. I love mushrooms, i.e. fungi. I really do. I am talking about a strong feeling, i.e. emotion, for them. I think they are beautiful. I even dream of them.
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Gravija
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Re: NW GA ID Help... Atlantis? Tampanensis? [Re: Bobzimmer]
#16809763 - 09/08/12 06:53 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Everytime "they" log on I call a Russula an Amanita or somesuch stupidness. Thanks though Bob, you just made my day for sure.
ALL- Panaeolus has an extremely variable morphology depending on its substrate. Add a strobe light on gabber setting to the equation and you get one ambiguous mushroom! So STFU before Gravija starts flipping tables!!! Arrggghh!!!
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MacMerdin
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Re: NW GA ID Help... Atlantis? Tampanensis? [Re: Gravija]
#16809782 - 09/08/12 07:06 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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What makes you say cincts for sure?
Really and truelly just a question to learn. Please no table flipping.
Edited by MacMerdin (09/08/12 07:09 AM)
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Bobzimmer
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Re: NW GA ID Help... Atlantis? Tampanensis? [Re: MacMerdin]
#16809801 - 09/08/12 07:18 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well to be fair, it wasn't "just pics". Figs made out a nice ID request, but that's where my focus was. Once he told me the size of them I knew they must be Panaeolus because not many other mushrooms (if any) have dark mottled gills with white edges. P. cinctulus is just a guess based on it being a fairly common "lawn" Panaeolus and I think you can see that it was "belted" before completely fading, some other Panaeolus can do this too. It could be P. olivaceus but that mushroom is a bit more rare and would take a little more info to confirm. Pics of some younger ones in good light would help a lot...or microscopy.
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Re: NW GA ID Help... Atlantis? Tampanensis? [Re: Bobzimmer]
#16809815 - 09/08/12 07:24 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bobzimmer said: Well to be fair, it wasn't "just pics". Figs made out a nice ID request, but that's where my focus was. Once he told me the size of them I knew they must be Panaeolus because not many other mushrooms (if any) have dark mottled gills with white edges. P. cinctulus is just a guess based on it being a fairly common "lawn" Panaeolus and I think you can see that it was "belted" before completely fading, some other Panaeolus can do this too. It could be P. olivaceus but that mushroom is a bit more rare and would take a little more info to confirm. Pics of some younger ones in good light would help a lot...or microscopy.
I'm trying to see what I can do about getting younger specimens before the weather changes. I will definitely update with pics of some new growth when/if I have it.
And to be honest, I'm glad that there are differing opinions. I did my best to give as much information as possible, and intelligent discourse ensued. At times it felt like a kicked ants nest, but it is truly difficult without having it in front of you. I understand this and tried to accommodate all of you with as much information as I could provide.
You all discussed it as a team would, with respect for one another and justifications for your reasoning. I have to say that I'm very impressed with this community.
-Figs
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NeoSporen
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Re: NW GA ID Help... Atlantis? Tampanensis? [Re: Bobzimmer]
#16809850 - 09/08/12 07:38 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Panaeolus olivaceus needs to be distinguished but the roughened spores under a microscope. Sometimes you can tell by the slightly grey cap color, and even the smell is much different than cinctulus.
This is what Pan. olivaceus looks like
Not sure what species, but I agree with Gravija.
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Bobzimmer said: I know MacMerdin, you're ok in my book...and you're right, it is a nice find.
They should make Gravija a TI...
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MacMerdin
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Re: NW GA ID Help... Atlantis? Tampanensis? [Re: NeoSporen]
#16810372 - 09/08/12 10:28 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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I do have to say that this thread has been very educational.
Thanks all.
p.s. Bfogg....nice pics of olivaceous for reference.
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divo
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Re: NW GA ID Help... Atlantis? Tampanensis? [Re: Bobzimmer]
#16810449 - 09/08/12 10:47 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bobzimmer said: I know MacMerdin, you're ok in my book...and you're right, it is a nice find.
They should make Gravija a TI...
I 2nd this.
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