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ZappityZap
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: PussyFart]
#16797225 - 09/06/12 07:10 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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ZappityZap said: 1. I am very aware of the differences between sterilization, and sanitation. Again it sterilizes. Nothing can survive the chlorine gas bleach and vinegar creates. If by chance it does, there is bleach. Which is also a sterilizer.
I suggest u read this
http://water.epa.gov/drink/emerprep/emergencydisinfection.cfm
and then this
http://chemistry.about.com/b/2007/09/26/the-killing-power-of-bleach-and-vinegar.htm
and report back 
What of it? The first says exactly what I said, it makes chlorine gas. Done thank you.
The second is about adding bleach to DRINKING WATER. I doubt you'll make your DRINKING WATER, 1/5th bleach.
I suggest you learn to read, and report back.
Actually don't bother, just read this to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine#Health_effects
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Edited by ZappityZap (09/06/12 07:18 AM)
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PussyFart
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ZappityZap said:
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Notahacker420 said:
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ZappityZap said: 1. I am very aware of the differences between sterilization, and sanitation. Again it sterilizes. Nothing can survive the chlorine gas bleach and vinegar creates. If by chance it does, there is bleach. Which is also a sterilizer.
I suggest u read this
http://water.epa.gov/drink/emerprep/emergencydisinfection.cfm
and then this
http://chemistry.about.com/b/2007/09/26/the-killing-power-of-bleach-and-vinegar.htm
and report back 
What of it? The first says exactly what I said, it makes chlorine gas. Done thank you.
The second is about adding bleach to DRINKING WATER. I doubt you'll make your DRINKING WATER, 1/5th bleach.
I suggest you learn to read, and report back.
Actually don't bother, just read this to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine#Health_effects
Hugs the ground, murders everything, highly corrosive. Sounds perfect for my glovebox.
""If you can't boil water, you can disinfect it using household bleach. Bleach will kill some, but not all, types of disease-causing organisms that may be in the water. ""
And bleach mixed with vineger creates fumes that kill everything, this is correct, it could even kill u....keep using it...
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twistedty
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: PussyFart]
#16799233 - 09/06/12 03:32 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rahz said:
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And if bottle cap is just slightly unscrewed you will see how minimal air is introduced in this LC.
The amount of air isn't as important as what's in the air and how it is filtered. What do you think the micron rating on a loose cap is?
how in the world am i just now seeing this post?
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Khii Khwaay
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ZappityZap said: chlorine gas, which killed the JEWS!
Actually, I'm pretty sure that chlorine gas was more of a WWI, trench warfare type of gas.
For the most part, I believe the Nazis used diesel "gas vans", and later Zyklon gas, a nerve agent, for Jew extermination purposes.
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JostVanDyke
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You could easily use a water bottle for your LC's.. Just cut a hole in the cap and screw it down over some tyvek. Pretty simple. Using strictly the cap would probably have contams, but to each his own.
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Khii Khwaay
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And you will PC/steam that? Is it a PP5 plastic bottle?
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JostVanDyke
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I'm not saying I do this, as I use half pint jars. Just saying it's possible to do, and with PP plastic you can PC for 90 mins no problem. So, It can be done. Just the way he suggests is much more likely to contam than say, a procedure done by cutting a dime sized hole in the lid, screwing it down over a layer of tyvek, placing foil over the lid, pcing the bottle/water for 90 minutes, and then inoculating in a glove box or in front of a flow hood and placing another layer of tyvek or some micropore tape over the inoculation hole.
Fact of the matter is, if he is having great success with his tek then his living area is sufficiently clean enough that he can basically inoculate in free flowing air. which does work for some people, but for most people it will not. Especially new growers. It's tradition here at shroomery to see someone posting something that you don't think would work for you and forming an angry mob to make him feel bad for even attempting to show people how they do something. The people who come on here and bash others then say that something couldn't ever work and that they are lying ... well they simply make me laugh. Why would a person waste time lying to a group of people they will never meet? I certainly wouldn't.
Not knocking him for trying to help people at all. Just make sure you let everyone know that it might not work for people with less sanitized houses or procedure areas.
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Edited by JostVanDyke (09/06/12 09:23 PM)
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Hellyen
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No way could you PC the plastic bottle I used. Also I realize my sterelization methods are wrong. I am a victim of outdated information. I can admit when I'm wrong. But since I've done it three times successfully... I had no way of knowing. I'll do my research and plan on reposting tek with proper sterilization methods. I know it can be done (since i've done it), but need to improve methods. Edit: Thanks JostVan for the so rare enouragement or giving advice and not just dismissing it. But If its not clear in post I didn't PC my LC in anyway. Flimsy plastic would surely melt. Only thing I PC'ed was jars and syringe.
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Edited by Hellyen (09/06/12 09:19 PM)
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JostVanDyke
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16801816 - 09/06/12 09:19 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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You'll need a PP plastic bottle or container to withstand pressure cooking temperatures. If you're going to go through all that you might as well just pay the extra 3-4$ to get a case of half pint jars (or bigger) and use those for your LC.
The process is very simple. You have it down, other than the fact that you were using the oven instead of a glove box that you can build for 10$ or so and not pressure cooking.
If you do however find a PP bottle, just do like I said in the above post.
 Above is an example of one.PP--5 When you see a bottle with a number five stamped on the bottom, then you'll know that it's a PP bottle, made of polypropylene. Polypropylene has a very high melting point, which is why it is traditionally used for items that need to be heated or have hot liquids poured into it, like coffee. It is also good for small tubs that need to be heated.
-------------------- -JVD
I'll do anything I can to help anyone. I have a little over 2 years of growing experience so if you have a question on anything just shoot me a PM and i'll do my best to help you.
Edited by JostVanDyke (09/06/12 09:32 PM)
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BargainBab
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16801899 - 09/06/12 09:32 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why not just blend your well consolidated spawn with distilled water and use that as inoculant? You could scale it as largely as you wanted but a blenderful would be plenty for whatever you're using your water bottle for.
Edit: I've never blended grains this way. I use sawdust or agar for myc water, RGS should work too.
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Edited by BargainBab (09/06/12 09:34 PM)
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applesmasher420
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Khii Khwaay
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lol how did this thread make it to 6 pages? Half my post count came from discussing this guy's sterile technique.
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shamanamba
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This thread has had its beginning, its criticism, its discussion, and has come to a resolution.
we can haz let it die now?
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TheStormsEye
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shut it down
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Brain Fart
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LIVE ON TERRIBLE THREAD! GO PACKERS
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Hellyen
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I don't know how the hell it's not dead either.. Stop posting in it! Every morning i wake up its usually on front page. Facepalm. So do me favor and stop, or admin lock thread plz.
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