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OfflineOUTLANDAH
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Quick question on fruiting
    #16798293 - 09/06/12 12:19 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

So my substrate is fully colonized and I've introduced it to fresh air using sgfc/dubtub technique. Question, do i need to start misting right away, or should I be letting some of the moisture evaporate to induce pinning? I read a post where RR said that the evaporation of moisture from the substrate is a key factor, but I was under the impression that it needs FAE and misting.

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Re: Quick question on fruiting [Re: OUTLANDAH]
    #16798325 - 09/06/12 12:24 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

let the standing water from the fresh birth evaporate from the FAE

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Re: Quick question on fruiting [Re: twistedty]
    #16798464 - 09/06/12 12:54 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

twistedty said:
let the standing water from the fresh birth evaporate from the FAE



QFT

After you've noticed most of the excess water evaporate, then you add misting to your regimen.

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Re: Quick question on fruiting [Re: Thadeous]
    #16803309 - 09/07/12 04:59 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

So after I stop seeing so much condensation or bits of moisture on the surface area that would be the proper time to mist lightly?

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Re: Quick question on fruiting [Re: OUTLANDAH]
    #16803395 - 09/07/12 05:53 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

so now u cant spray the cakes right. so say if i had a tub with some cakes u would want to put up a guard right

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Re: Quick question on fruiting [Re: shrooms101]
    #16811801 - 09/08/12 03:11 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Alright, so no misting until the babies are born. How long does dub tub/50/50 usually take to pin? Week or two?

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Re: Quick question on fruiting [Re: OUTLANDAH]
    #16822606 - 09/10/12 11:28 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Alright, it's been exactly seven days. Still no pins. I'm not sure if I hyphal knots growing, but I do see mycellium clustering in more concentrated area's. My humidity has been a a steady 80% using a 6 qrt dubtub with wholes drilled 2" apart using the tek. I don't believe I need to manually fan since the fc should provide fae on it's own, however I have been manually fanning since it can't hurt and just provide even more fresh air exchange.

I'm just starting to get worried. I've made it this far with no contams or anything ,and it being my first time to do this I still haven't captured a confident "Feel" for it. Is there a possibility I'm doing something wrong? Should I just be more patient and keep doing what I'm doing? Oh, the temperature has been about 72f throughout the whole time as well.

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Re: Quick question on fruiting [Re: OUTLANDAH]
    #16822616 - 09/10/12 11:30 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

7 days isn't much.... wait 14.

The rest seems coo.


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Re: Quick question on fruiting [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #16822659 - 09/10/12 11:39 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Also, I've been maintaining the humidity by misting the side of the top tupperware since that's the only way I can keep it at 80%. Is there any method of getting higher humidity with tubtubs?

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Re: Quick question on fruiting [Re: OUTLANDAH]
    #16822677 - 09/10/12 11:43 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Misting is for replacing lost moisture... And evaporation
from FAE which is a major pinning trigger... Pics would be
nice. How loose is your Pollyfill. I think 85-90 Humidity
is what Tubs are usually at. I've never measured mine. :shrug:

EDIT: I know. Get some wax paper crumple a sheet large enough for
the surface of the Substrate. Open it back up and lie it
on the substrate. Bad ass casing layer, which creates the
micro climate. Stuff works. :thumbup:


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Re: Quick question on fruiting [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #16822903 - 09/10/12 12:21 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

You see, I'm confused if I should mist at all until signs of pins, but also like I said, if I dont mist then I feel like I'm losing humidity
There is no polyfill. I'm pretty much going off this design http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16711149

Are you saying I shouldn't mist until pin formation? What about the surface drying out? That's the only reason I've misted lightly is to keep the surface from drying. And my hygrometer is a cheap one so I can only assume I'm getting a ball park reading. Should I have done polyfill holes  at the substrate layer

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Re: Quick question on fruiting [Re: OUTLANDAH]
    #16822915 - 09/10/12 12:23 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Misting isn't to raise humidity, it's to help keep your
substrate hydrated. Ohh I see what your using. You could
probably be fine misting if it appears dry.

Shut off or move the Tub from any Fan or Air source. I've
had that cause me some problems.

And I actually like those Hybrid Mono's better then pollyfill
method.


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Re: Quick question on fruiting [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #16822927 - 09/10/12 12:26 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

DynGBreeD said:
EDIT: I know. Get some wax paper crumple a sheet large enough for
the surface of the Substrate. Open it back up and lie it
on the substrate. Bad ass casing layer, which creates the
micro climate. Stuff works. :thumbup:



QFT.  Should help your pinning.

You could raise the RH of the area providing FAE.  Though I've no idea how feasible that is in your situation.  80% is a bit low IMHO, but should still put out fruits.

You'll learn more every grow, especially the failed ones.  Patience.

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Re: Quick question on fruiting [Re: Thadeous]
    #16828577 - 09/11/12 11:50 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

What's QFT?

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Re: Quick question on fruiting [Re: OUTLANDAH]
    #16828630 - 09/11/12 11:58 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quoted for truth.

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Re: Quick question on fruiting [Re: Thadeous]
    #16828838 - 09/11/12 12:44 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

So just plain ol' white wax paper? What exactly does it do for the grow? And just lay is loosely on top of the surface? No tuck in or anything?

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Re: Quick question on fruiting [Re: OUTLANDAH]
    #16828845 - 09/11/12 12:45 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It creates the desired Micro Climate. Does the same thing
as a regular casing. But less messy.

Yes to the rest.


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Re: Quick question on fruiting [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #16829057 - 09/11/12 01:37 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

What about Light and keeping the area moist? Should I take the wax paper off and just put it back on?

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Re: Quick question on fruiting [Re: OUTLANDAH]
    #16829551 - 09/11/12 03:06 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

If you have adequate lighting you'll be fine.  Lighting isn't a major pinning trigger.  Those are, in order, full colonization of the substrate (+consolidaiton), FAE, and evaporation.

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Re: Quick question on fruiting [Re: Thadeous]
    #16831838 - 09/11/12 09:31 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Alright, here's what gets me. How are you supposed to maintain good humidity using the modified monotub with holes drilled? Do most growers put here tub in a room/greenhouse to achieve this? I've looked around and can't find any answers to this.

I have mine on the shelf in my backroom. Is this bad?

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Re: Quick question on fruiting [Re: OUTLANDAH]
    #16831861 - 09/11/12 09:35 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I have never myself used a SGFC, but I think it is the perlite and misting that maintains the humidity.

Depending on the RH of the room will be somewhat of an environmental factor.  I live in a very humid area, so it hasn't been much of an issue for me.  Though my grows are done in a greenhouse now.  You can really fine tune an environment with one, but some argue the maintenance is too high.

By backroom do you mean closet?

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Re: Quick question on fruiting [Re: Thadeous]
    #16832068 - 09/11/12 10:05 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not using perlite. I don't see how that could be done unless I put the dubtub itself into sgfc with perlite. It's considered my closet, but It's bigger than a walk in closet. An unfinished room if you will. RH on it's own throughout the building is 60%.

I thought about just throwing it in a bigger plastic box and putting a lid to trap humidity and take it out periodically for good fresh air exchange, don't know if it's a good idea or not.

I had 100% humidity throughout the incubation of the coir/substrate and removed the lid and put the pre-made top on it and that's when the humidity of course dropped.

I know some people make mini-greenhouses out of metal shelves and plastic sheeting, but I'm trying to be discrete.

I was under the impression though that after making the modified monotub most people let them grow on a shelf or wherever.

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Re: Quick question on fruiting [Re: OUTLANDAH]
    #16832498 - 09/11/12 11:29 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The link you gave to Doc_T's dubtub is in a greenhouse setup. This will change your humidity situation. You want 95  for knot formation. The ambient (house) humidity differential is problematic, and the substrate might be low on moisture, which would help create the humidity in the dubtub. 80 will work, but who knows if that hygrometer you bought is functional. I

You can try covering some of your holes on the top portion. You can check your moisture the next time you go with this setup. You could make a monotub and see how you like the difference.

Some pics of your surface will help.

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Re: Quick question on fruiting [Re: Primal Call]
    #16832580 - 09/11/12 11:45 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Appreciate it. I don't believe the substrate is too dry at all. I moved it into a bigger Tub and drilled just a few for a little FAE, sprayed the sides. I'm going to go buy perlite tomorrow, maybe those geo reptile rocks and then convert the tub into a monotub housing for the smaller tub completely. Need to anyways, I have Ecuadors in pf tek that are ready.

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Re: Quick question on fruiting [Re: OUTLANDAH]
    #16834601 - 09/12/12 12:37 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Moving it to the bigger FC raised the humidity by 6% so now it's sitting on around 86-88% humidity. Makes me a feel a little better.

My Pf tek is doing pretty good as well. The only thing is I messed up and used pint jars, so i ended up having to cut some Verm/brf that wasn't colonized around the bottom, but I now know why you shouldn't use pint jars... takes forever. Oh, well not a bad first run. Second run will go much smoother next time.

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