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Stunted pins with pointy black tips
    #16787601 - 09/04/12 03:30 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I have 2 monotubs on the go and both of them (though more so in one) have MANY pins, which got me excited, but most of them seemed to have stopped growing, and while a lot of those still look normal some have developed pointy black tips on their caps, like in the picture below:



Ones that have the caps turn all really dark/black I try to pic when I harvest the few that grew to adulthood, figuring they were aborts, but ones that stay looking like that and don't grow...whats with that?


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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: SuicideCommando]
    #16787743 - 09/04/12 03:52 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

they have aborted, and are beginning to rot. pull them.

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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: SuicideCommando]
    #16787755 - 09/04/12 03:54 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Most of them are aborts. It's probably a FAE issue. Give us more details about your setup.


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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: Fungal growth]
    #16787762 - 09/04/12 03:55 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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they have aborted, and are beginning to rot. pull them.



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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: Grumpyorc]
    #16787770 - 09/04/12 03:56 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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they have aborted, and are beginning to rot. pull them.



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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: LeopardMan]
    #16787797 - 09/04/12 03:59 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Most of them are aborts. It's probably a FAE issue. Give us more details about your setup.





Basic monotubs, half brick of coir + 3 quarts of spawn, 4 holes each side of tub, stacked in my closet with a lamp. I keep the closet open and theres a fan outside the closet, but my tubs were turned so that the holes with polyfil were facing to either side, inside the closet. I have since turned them so 1 polyfil holed side is facing out of the open door, hoping that will help with FAE. Thinking of opening them and fanning them out occasionally too. Strain is Hawaiian.


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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: SuicideCommando]
    #16787826 - 09/04/12 04:04 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Best solution would be taking the tubs out of the closet. If you can't, try loosening the polyfil, fan them 2-3 times a day and see what happens.


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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: LeopardMan]
    #16787853 - 09/04/12 04:09 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I used to have monotubs going in a closet and they had FAE issues since they weren't exposed to normal air circulation. You need to manually mist and fan multiple times daily, that should help a lot. Don't pack in the polyfil too tightly. Also, try using higher spawn ratios for higher yields.

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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: chopstick]
    #16789364 - 09/04/12 08:59 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

dem shitz is in the closet?
i bet thats the culprit

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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: Grumpyorc]
    #16793345 - 09/05/12 04:12 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Its not like they are buried in the closet. They are RIGHT at the closet door, which is slid all the way open, and theres a fan next to the closet blowing across the open doorway.

I've started fanning twice a day. Too early to tell if thats helping. 1 tub looks like it have about 500 small aborts. That is REALLY fuckin annoying to pick. lol


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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: SuicideCommando]
    #16793375 - 09/05/12 04:17 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i fan and mist my monotubs multiple times a day.  i would start doing this and in 3-5 days they should bounce back if FAE is culprit

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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: twistedty]
    #16793448 - 09/05/12 04:29 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Well I've never had to mist and fan my tubs before, but I did keep the previous ones out in the open.

I take it I really need to clear the sub of these aborts asap?


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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: SuicideCommando] * 1
    #16794340 - 09/05/12 06:41 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

oh well you dont HAVE to pick them. if you dont wanna eat em they will turn back into mycelium


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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: Grumpyorc]
    #16794366 - 09/05/12 06:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I have had a few tubs of mine do something very similar.  Tons of pins that just stopped growing, though never really began to rot.  Conditions for them were sublime.

IMHO this is a genetics issue.  I bet it was MS inoculation.  Have you fruited this strain before successfully? If not, the MS god's have shit on you.

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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: Thadeous]
    #16795077 - 09/05/12 08:41 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Yes MS inoculation. Yes I have fruited this strain before. Its actually from a print I received from a member here a while back. Had several successful grows, and have even harvested off these two tubs twice already.


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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: Grumpyorc]
    #16795088 - 09/05/12 08:42 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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if you dont wanna eat em they will turn back into mycelium




Wait....what?


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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: SuicideCommando]
    #16795114 - 09/05/12 08:45 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes MS inoculation. Yes I have fruited this strain before. Its actually from a print I received from a member here a while back. Had several successful grows, and have even harvested off these two tubs twice already.



Got me stumped then, good sir, as to the cause.

I harvested all these tiny things from my tubs, and ended up with 80g dry!  Way more than I expected.  Though they aren't much to look at, it is excellent fodder for extractions.

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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: SuicideCommando]
    #16797228 - 09/06/12 07:12 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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if you dont wanna eat em they will turn back into mycelium




Wait....what?




ya you dont have to pick aborts. they end up looking all funky looking and they stay there FOREVER but they dont hurt anything. and EVENTUALLY yes they break back down into mycelium just like if you leave pieces of shroom behind when you harvest

i pick a few to eat and leave the rest becasue i dont care


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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: Grumpyorc]
    #16799485 - 09/06/12 04:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Then why do I always read about picking them before they rot? How can rotting things turn back into mycelium?


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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: SuicideCommando]
    #16799491 - 09/06/12 04:08 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

its a cool process just leave em there and watch.  its neat

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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: SuicideCommando]
    #16800626 - 09/06/12 07:03 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Then why do I always read about picking them before they rot? How can rotting things turn back into mycelium?



its old outdated info


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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: Grumpyorc]
    #16800976 - 09/06/12 07:44 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Hey, I would like to read more about this. Do you have any links?

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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: Grumpyorc]
    #16801334 - 09/06/12 08:23 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Then why do I always read about picking them before they rot? How can rotting things turn back into mycelium?



its old outdated info




Pick em before they rot is outdated, or them turning back into mycelium is outdated? I really have not encountered many aborts before!

EDIT: sorry read too fast, didn't see your name and that you were already telling me things earlier in the thread.

One question: I will need to dunk these tubs soon. Will that fuck with this process?


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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: Grumpyorc]
    #16801607 - 09/06/12 08:56 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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oh well you dont HAVE to pick them. if you dont wanna eat em they will turn back into mycelium



I think you're a little confused. Aborts are dead. They won't rot before the end of the flush, that is a myth, but they won't turn into mycelium either.


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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: Grumpyorc]
    #16801757 - 09/06/12 09:13 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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if you dont wanna eat em they will turn back into mycelium




Wait....what?




ya you dont have to pick aborts. they end up looking all funky looking and they stay there FOREVER but they dont hurt anything. and EVENTUALLY yes they break back down into mycelium just like if you leave pieces of shroom behind when you harvest

i pick a few to eat and leave the rest becasue i dont care




This is correct, and it's just another lingering myth that aborts rot.  They do not, certainly not in the time it takes the rest of the flush to develop.  Most of us pick off the aborts when we pick the rest of the mature flush.  There's nothing wrong with picking them as soon as noticed, but it's not necessary.
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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: Grumpyorc]
    #16801764 - 09/06/12 09:14 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Did noone else noticed how wet the surface looks and all the standing water droplets and the fuzzy mycellium at the base of the pins? Think this could've caused the pins to abort?


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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #16803645 - 09/07/12 07:57 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Grumpyorc said:
if you dont wanna eat em they will turn back into mycelium




Wait....what?




ya you dont have to pick aborts. they end up looking all funky looking and they stay there FOREVER but they dont hurt anything. and EVENTUALLY yes they break back down into mycelium just like if you leave pieces of shroom behind when you harvest

i pick a few to eat and leave the rest becasue i dont care




This is correct, and it's just another lingering myth that aborts rot.  They do not, certainly not in the time it takes the rest of the flush to develop.  Most of us pick off the aborts when we pick the rest of the mature flush.  There's nothing wrong with picking them as soon as noticed, but it's not necessary.
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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: SuicideCommando]
    #16803653 - 09/07/12 08:00 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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One question: I will need to dunk these tubs soon. Will that fuck with this process?




dunking is a must/ you have several options.
i put a few quart jars ontop of the sub and fill them with water as I fill the tub up. it keeps them submerged. I then pour it off after 12 hours.

that doesnt meant thats the only or even the best way.
some people say 4 hours of dunking is enough and im inclined to beleive them i just stick with what works.
some people just leave the sink running at a trickle into thier tub for a few hours
all of these stratagies probably work. but yes you definatly should dunk.


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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: Grumpyorc]
    #16805769 - 09/07/12 03:15 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Well I have my own method for dunking these tubs, I was just wondering if dunking is going to affect this aborts-turning-into-mycelium thing.


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Re: Stunted pins with pointy black tips [Re: SuicideCommando]
    #16805772 - 09/07/12 03:15 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for all the info btw guys. This thread has been quite interesting and informative :laugh:


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