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Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Protects
    #1678538 - 07/02/03 01:54 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not a violent man.

But I must protect my shroom garden. These critters have been burrowing into my outdoor beds. I think they like to eat my shrooms and get high.

Anyone know a good, tried, and effective way to irradicate these critters?

Oh wait...I know, diatomaceous earth!

I did a bit of research and found that this material is not harmful when ingested. One should be careful not to inhale it though. This material will also fight of worms, slugs, ants...just about any insect, worm, slug, or other small pests that might invade my garden.

The shells of diatoms are made of silica. This silica breaks into small shards which damage the skeleton of insects and breaks the skin of worms.

DE (Diatomaceous Earth) is my new friend! It is non-toxic, safe for use around foods (it's even used in foods), and easy to obtain. I'm headed to the store ASAP!

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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Protects [Re: Joshua]
    #1678667 - 07/02/03 02:34 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

>Anyone know a good, tried, and effective way to irradicate these critters?

I use an iron phospate based bait, it?s non toxic for living creatures except for snails and slugs.

http://www.treehelp.com/shopping/product-detail.asp?Product_ID=2267

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/biopesticides/ingredients/factsheets/factsheet_034903.htm



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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Protects [Re: Anno]
    #1678814 - 07/02/03 03:20 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I've been using an iron phosphate treatment for a couple of weeks now. It didn't stop all of the slugs or the isopods. I have pins that get eaten as soon as they pop up. I'll get rid of them one way or another.

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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Protects [Re: Joshua]
    #1680234 - 07/02/03 01:50 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

do you sprinkle a perimiter like salt? or do you just toss it all over the patch? do you bury some under the ground? do ya mix it in with the dirt?
how exactly do slugs n' snails travel?
above ground? underground?
im fed up with my outdoor patches being raided nightly.
im this close to saying fuck-it to growin in the ground and switch to flower pots.

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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Protects [Re: hyper_dermic]
    #1680247 - 07/02/03 01:56 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

>how exactly do slugs n' snails travel?

By plane, I think :wink: 


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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Protects [Re: Anno]
    #1680340 - 07/02/03 02:34 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I`ve seen them hitchiking on the interstate before :smirk:


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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Protects [Re: Joshua]
    #1680460 - 07/02/03 03:52 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

i hear beer is good for getting slugs. although i wouldnt put it on your patch. leave it on the sides... not too close either. but then again, i think i read another thread about using beer as well. you could always torch your lawn of everything but your patch...? lol... that might not be a good idea. I have also heard of scented oils being a good bug repellant. Using lemon oil? or something around your house is suppose to keep ants and things away. I have a mint plant in my back yard and its constantly being eaten... sons a bitches!


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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Protects [Re: hyper_dermic]
    #1680539 - 07/02/03 04:20 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

hyper_dermic said:
do you sprinkle a perimiter like salt? or do you just toss it all over the patch? do you bury some under the ground? do ya mix it in with the dirt?




all of the above really. use a combination of applications. for example, mix the DE into your verm(/coir) before casing as well as putting down a barrier. IME a double barrier (concentric circles) proves more effective as small breaks in a single barrier are fortified by additional barriers. the double barrier "tek" works well for salt which tends to dissolve pretty quickly.


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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Protects [Re: Joshua]
    #1680721 - 07/02/03 05:27 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

that shit is what they put in tooth past for abrasivness


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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Protects [Re: Psychoslut]
    #1682057 - 07/03/03 01:58 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I think I figured out why my slug bait hasn't worked.



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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Protects [Re: Joshua]
    #1682593 - 07/03/03 04:46 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

hehe.
You need an Ant Trap for the Slug Trap it seems! :lol:

How did the DE work?


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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Prote [Re: Joshua]
    #1682639 - 07/03/03 05:12 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

You could try biological pest control, like at fungi perfecti:


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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Protects [Re: daba]
    #1682641 - 07/03/03 05:13 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I had a girly friend wake me up this morning and had to work late this evening. I still need to find some time to get to the store. Urgency is my attitude at this point. The slugs are eating my pins faster than they can grow.

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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Prote [Re: zeronio]
    #1682645 - 07/03/03 05:15 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

The fountain/pond is one of my next projects. I love frogs.

Do you see the dry rot in the background of that photo?

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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Prote [Re: Joshua]
    #1683229 - 07/03/03 10:11 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

so have you even got to pick any from the patch yet?


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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Prote [Re: shroomizzy]
    #1683490 - 07/03/03 11:24 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

kramer has helped feed the slugs in his neiborhood
everyone should do what they can to help out



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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Prote [Re: shroomizzy]
    #1683729 - 07/03/03 01:11 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I picked a pin because it dried out, that's it.

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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Prote [Re: george castanza]
    #1683737 - 07/03/03 01:13 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Kramer sounds like he is either being funny or doen't understand the thread.

At this point it seems I am tripping the slugs in my neighborhood for free. If I hear any stories about psychotic slugs I'm going to pretend like I don't know anything.

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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Prote [Re: Joshua]
    #1683817 - 07/03/03 01:49 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I had the same problem josh. My pins were getting eaten and some of them dryed out. I simply put pasteurized straw on top and I havent seen another eaten pin yet. I think they must have a hard time crawling over it. Every night I go out and try and pick any slugs I can see. Try it out in combination with the Diatomaceous Earth. Where can you buy this at?


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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Prote [Re: Joshua]
    #1683853 - 07/03/03 02:05 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

What if you simply ate the slugs?


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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Prote [Re: Anno]
    #1684026 - 07/03/03 03:35 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

all good hydroponic store have slug repellent, its used for outdoor.....euhhhhh "tomatoes" growing, lol, its very efficient Joshua, they also have pest repellent, no mice, rabbit or deer will wanna get to close to your patch


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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Prote [Re: Anno]
    #1686184 - 07/04/03 11:58 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Call me crazy, but the thought had crossed my mind.

The Romans used to feed Amanita muscaria to snails in order to break down some of the more harsh chemicals in the sacrament. They would then ingest the snails and trip, but with out the gastric discomfort. I don't know if the active compounds would be retained from the specie I have been growing, but I don't see why the fresh slug specimens would not.

I'll dry a couple out and send them your way. I think you would be a better judge...being European and all :wink:

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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Prote [Re: cd666cd]
    #1686198 - 07/04/03 12:06 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

On an awesome note....it works!!!!

I picked some DE up yesterday and spread it at the perimeter of my beds. Checked things out this morning and not a sign of any additional damage from slugs!

Yipeee!!!!


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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Prote [Re: Joshua]
    #1686815 - 07/04/03 07:56 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)


hey send me a slug ill eat him.. send me a few ! :smile:


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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Prote [Re: ScU]
    #1686868 - 07/04/03 09:15 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

yuck ... we've got tons of slugs in the backyard here.  Maybe you could prepare them like escargot?  :tongue:

Oh yeah and beer traps work wonderful for slugs ... just bury a pie plate with the edges flush to the ground and fill it with beer.  In the morning check your trap and you'll find it full of drowning slugs.

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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Prote [Re: TekNut]
    #1686985 - 07/04/03 11:00 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

well it appears that my beer traps arent working, ive all but given up on my outdoor patches... i checked one today and it was infectd with green.,... sonofabitch.....
outdoor growing seems to be too much of a hassle fer me..... i fuggin hate nature....

THIS IS THE LAST STRAW..... IT ALL ENDS TONIGHT

im gonna wait in the dark near my patch with my shotgun....
as soon as i hear the slugs and snails, im gonna throw on the flood lights and tear the entire patch up.... NOTHING SHALL SURVIVE!!!!
IF I CANT HAVE MUSHROOMS NOONE CAN DAMMIT NOONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRRGGGG

fuck snail bait, slug traps, beer.... the only beer involved will be the 12-pack i consume while waiting for the bastards (its important to be drunk before operating a shotgun)

its me or the slugs.....
if i dont post again in the next few days, well... u know what happened to me......
i god drunk and fell asleep....
and got eaten by the slugs.....

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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Prote [Re: hyper_dermic]
    #1687219 - 07/05/03 01:41 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

LOL!!!

Patience will show you if you give it a chance.

Have you tried DE? It worked wonders for me. The change was immediate.

One night the slugs were dining on my crops, the next they were no where to be seen. The difference was the application of DE.

Give it a try before you shoot your shit up.

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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Prote [Re: Joshua]
    #1687257 - 07/05/03 01:59 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)


ewww don't shoot shroom up! I don't think it going in the bloodstream would be cool at all.... wait oh nm (sits in a corner)


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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Prote [Re: ScU]
    #1690208 - 07/06/03 03:41 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

You can get huge 25 pound bags of de at pool supply stores for whoever asked where you could get it.


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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Prote [Re: gdman]
    #1690567 - 07/06/03 06:01 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Be careful, do not use the swimming pool DE for pest control it contains a large percentage of crystalline silica. Diatomaceous earth The stuff you want is DE containing mostly amorphous silica.
Hardwood ash is another thing that works as slug barrier, but has to be replaced, after rain or watering.


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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Prote [Re: falcon]
    #1696237 - 07/08/03 01:50 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

The same is true with DE. It has to be reapplied after rains.

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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Prote [Re: Joshua]
    #1699123 - 07/09/03 10:47 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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The same is true with DE. It has to be reapplied after rains.

Joshua 



why? :confused:
it's not exactly water soluble or anything. have you tried mixing in to the casing mix before applying the casing? I noticed that Lowe's (hardware store) now carries DE but it is 75% DE and 25% Slug bait  :crazy:
This would work but I would prefer 100% DE as my fungus is bait enough and I'm not to keen on the idea of eating slug bait by accident (or the possibility of it being absorbed into the fruitbodies).


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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Prote [Re: debianlinux]
    #1699251 - 07/09/03 12:15 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I think it's because the DE gets compacted down by the water.  The way that DE works is that it's like billions of tiny shards of glass -- actually, it is billions of tiny shards of glass -- that irritate the hell out of critters and jam up and slice up the joints of insects' legs and such.

Don't breath the powder. :wink:


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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Prote [Re: debianlinux]
    #1702226 - 07/10/03 12:58 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

It is like Sev said, the water washes the powder into the soil and also compacts it so that it is not as effective.

I would steer away from any slug attractants. The less chemicals, the merrier. Do you know what they are using as the attractant?

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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Prote [Re: Joshua]
    #1703751 - 07/10/03 09:13 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

nah, i didn't bother looking any further as there's no way i'd use it when there's a fish store up the street that sells 20lb bags of pure diatomite (same thing). it's a bit pricey but works well. i mix it into a bag of verm and use that to case. i have to patch frequently so the compacting isn't a problem. i wonder if it would be if i didn't patch tho.


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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Prote [Re: debianlinux]
    #1703958 - 07/10/03 10:28 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

So I have been an organic vegetable grower for several years now. I have used DE for insect control. DE works in one of two ways, by clogging up intesinal tracts or body parts of insects or by puncturing the flesh of soft bodies organisms like slugs and causing descication. Once DE gets wet it is of little use for pest control, it is typically used as a dry barrier and deterent. I have used DE successfully in the past by putting boards down in my garden, under which slugs will congregate. Then I would lift the board and dowse the fuckwads with DE and watch them desicate. God damn fucking bastard die. That was my typical mantra. At anyrate DE in a casing layer will not do it. It has to be kept dry.

Another thing you may want to try is a copper barrier. I used to protect my plant from slugs by putting plastic PVC pipe around them which was covered by this copper coated tape that used to by at a green house in SoCal. Copper is supposed to work because creatures like snails and slug were repeled by the free the electrons (it zaps them). Conceivably if you made a wood frame around your patch and surrounded the top the frame with that copper tape or come copper flashing you could keep slugs from getting into your patch in the first the place. It worked well for my veggies.

In the long run if you want to fight slugs without slug bait or other pesticides you must use a combination of beer traps, DE, copper barriers, and nightly raids to descimate their populations. Good luck soldier.


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Re: Die Bugs,slugs,and small thugs! Diatomaceous Earth Protects [Re: Joshua]
    #1704407 - 07/11/03 12:59 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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Anyone know a good, tried, and effective way to irradicate these critters?






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    #1705374 - 07/11/03 11:14 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

LOL!!!

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    #1780921 - 08/05/03 10:00 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

i wonder how/if boric acid [roach proof] would work,
it's a strong dessicant, kills bugs by drying them out.
proly do the same to slugs, eh ?


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