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nakka101
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Bear Tek
#16784925 - 09/04/12 02:14 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hello everyone! I'm a long time lurker, first time poster. My two older brothers are mycologists, and as such I am pretty familiar with the subject, but am definitely VERY much a novice. So, I'll get right to it. I just recently met someone through one of my brothers that I can only describe as a freaking Wizard. Anyways, at this meeting, someone in the room started discussing his woes with sterilization and contamination and such, when the wizard interjects, "Man, I don't mess with that lab stuff. Like I used to say to the rainbow garden people: You eat the mushrooms. You flip the cow patties. You dig a small hole to shit in. You flip the cow patty over your hole. Come back later" ... This makes me think of the documentary "The Bear", in which at one point the bear eats shrooms and fries. Is this one of the many ways those devilishly clever fungi spread themselves? Did that bear start a new patch because he does INDEED shit in the woods, and doesn't waste the precious spores in a toilet? Holy shit. This makes so much sense to me, and I have never heard this idea on the internet, in any books, or from my brothers. My older brother was even very impressed with the simplicity of doing basically what the animals do. The idea I'm guessing is that obviously your stool is inoculated and the spores/mycelium don't want that substrate so they just move upwards to the food they really like. If this truly works, why haven't people figured this out and been doing it? So I plan on experimenting with this and hope some will join me. Obviously this exact method is for cubes. Will it work for the wood lovers? Will it work on the usual substrates? I know of a patch of friscosas that as soon as they fruit and i eat some, I'm going to try this. I believe it might be advised to do a salt water flush the morning before attempting this. This would be to ensure that your bowels were empty and you know EXACTLY what is coming out the other end when you are starting your new patches. If this is old news or has been tried or anything, please feel free to inform me. I'm hoping someone sees this and has a trip planned in the near future in which they'd be willing to try this! Meanwhile, I'm just waiting for the rain.. I know this post was kinda scattered and a little.. ambitious? for a first post. But I'm stoned and I just thought if I'm sitting on something big I have to share it! Trial and error by one person is much slower than a community. Thanks for reading!
P.S. No, I am not suggesting or asking if mushrooms will grow on human poop. I'm suggesting/asking if eating them somehow germinates the fungi in your body and your excrement will be an easy tool for inoculation.
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nakka101
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So let me get this straight...
You're proposing the idea of eating mushrooms, excreting in a hole in the ground outside, and then covering your stool with substrate, with the idea that the consumed spores and tissue will survive the stomach acid, digestive enzymes and bacteria throughout the human digestive tract, and then colonize through the human feces into the substrate above it.
Correct?
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I guess it works with cows, yet that have 4 stomachs
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twistedty
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well from my very limited understanding, i could be completely and utterly wrong. but i thought you had to look for somewhat grain fed animals to find the cubes
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shamanamba
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For some reason, this has peaked my curiosity and I've been pondering it. I'm not going to say anything definitive on my own behalf about this, but I found a quote from one of the greatest minds in the mycology field that seems relevant.
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RogerRabbit said: You need manure from grass and grain fed animals, and I know of no human vegans who only eat grass and grains. RR
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twistedty
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sweet i was right
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nakka101
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Yes shaman, your interpretation is correct. Also, on the note of grain fed and such... this is one reason I think a salt water flush in the morning would help. Clearing out all the nasty rotting meat and whatnot and you can just eat whatever you think would help... I believe you can have a pretty high degree of control of what gets mixed in with your fungi in your bowels if you have cleansed them.
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twistedty
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i think thats to much trouble just to get a few mushrooms
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nakka101
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Too much trouble? for an easy, no sterilization needed, patch start that utilizes something you normally flush down the toilet? Salt water flush is incredibly easy and doesn't take very long to prepare or to go through. And it feels great to get rid of all of that. But this isn't a health forum and I won't diverge further. It matters not how you want to go about it. This is an idea I have only vaguely heard from an 80 year old guy with a wizard beard and all experimentation is greatly welcomed. If you don't mind figuring out the gritty part of utilizing your stool in however way you want to try it, that's awesome! I really want to know if this works, if it's anywhere near as simple as this guy made it sound, or if this man was as crazy as he looked. But he was very intelligent, coherent, and made this idea worth a try in my mind. Any other curious minds that would like to join me in any manner are very much appreciated!
Edited by nakka101 (09/04/12 03:25 AM)
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twistedty
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do it doug. you never know. salt water flush then eat a whole bunch of corn.
just saying if it somehow works i would imagine you wouldnt get very many boomers
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......I can't believe anyone is entertaining this. Of COURSE it wont work. For 10000 million reasons. Dirty earth hippies...
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I've actually seen someone bring this up before.
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Grumpyorc said: ......I can't believe anyone is entertaining this. Of COURSE it wont work. For 10000 million reasons. Dirty earth hippies...
who knows ? what if it works? but the BIG question is why would you even want go to the trouble ? there are 100's of more efficient and easier ways to grow more mushies
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instead of eating all these grains why dont you use those grains to make spawn ?
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Are you guys all trolling saying "there are easier ways" out there? This has to be a joke, shitting in a hole and covering it with a cow patty sounds like the easiest thing in the world to do. Its completely hands off.
I'm not sure if this is just a case of everyone being raised to shit in water (because, you know, pooping/peeing in one of the essential nutrients for life was a brilliant idea from whoever thought of doing that instead of composting it) that everyone is having an issue with this.
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Re: Bear Tek [Re: stanski]
#16785839 - 09/04/12 09:50 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ugghh the cubes wont grow in the fatty lipids in your shit. These things don't exist in a cows stomach becausde it eats grass. There's the science are you happy now?? Earth hippy :-P
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nakka101
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Well I understand that it doesn't seem anything would survive your stomach, but I know that there are many plants out there that depend on animals eating their fruits and Pooping their seeds elsewhere to spread around. Mushroom spores can survive the vacuum of space. I don't think it sounds impossible for this to work. But you are right, this is a ridiculous idea and I really don't expect many people to try this.. unless the couple that do find that it works. Like I said, I'm very much a newbie but I still think this is worth at least a couple attempts. Anyone that is curious enough to try is welcome and I have no qualms if you don't think it will work. It's a ridiculous idea from a dubious at best source.
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A friend of mine swore to me he knew a guy who grew mushrooms by throwing his babies dirty diapers in a giant pile. I still dont believe him or this for the reasons everyone says. But it did have me lmao. Also if you're calling a dood who shits in holes for mushies the "Wizard". You might find a better role model.
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Edited by Hellyen (09/04/12 01:43 PM)
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Essentially what you are saying is to inoculate a cow patty with spores found in your own feces. You can't just shoot a spore syringe in a cow patty and leave it outside. The chances of it working are so incredibly low it wouldn't be worth your time, no matter how easy it is to do.
Edited by jenkinz (09/04/12 01:35 PM)
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