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Monotubs won't pin! Any advice?
    #16781918 - 09/03/12 02:50 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

My tubs have been in fruiting conditions for close to 4 weeks now...

I used 1:1.5 ratio, rye berries and hpoo.  Let colonize for 12 days, got nice and white all over.

Then I put polyfill in the holes, I have 6 holes in each tub, and using natural sunlight and have a fan going in the room.

The tubs smell great, they just keep getting thicker and thicker white with no pins...I mist once to twice a day and fan a few times a day, just don't get why no pins yet

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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: TheBlazer08]
    #16781936 - 09/03/12 02:53 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

How tight is your polyfil packed in?  Sounds like you need more FAE.

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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: TheDeathryder]
    #16781940 - 09/03/12 02:53 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Got the right temperature?

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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: migraineur]
    #16782009 - 09/03/12 03:06 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

This is a recent thread that may help you.


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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: shamanamba]
    #16783359 - 09/03/12 07:09 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

polyfill is really loose, almost falling out

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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: TheBlazer08]
    #16783387 - 09/03/12 07:13 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

pics of the substrate would help....4 weeks with loose polyfil, hmmmm...is it dried out? can u see little droplets on the surface?

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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: TheBlazer08]
    #16783401 - 09/03/12 07:16 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

No experience with monotubs. But when my cakes are taking  sweet time to pin I move them downstairs for the night. Its aprox 10 degrees cooler than room they are normally in. This slight "cold shock" has had success for me.


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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: Hellyen]
    #16783409 - 09/03/12 07:17 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

You're still maintaining optimal humdity, right?


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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: Bawks]
    #16783424 - 09/03/12 07:20 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Pictures of your setup would be nice.  Have you noticed any bluing on your substrate?  How much of that sunlight is getting into the FC?

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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: TheDeathryder]
    #16783479 - 09/03/12 07:30 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)



this is my tub, but loose polyfill in it now.

Yes, I have noticed blueing!

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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: TheBlazer08]
    #16783500 - 09/03/12 07:34 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

More recent pictures would be really nice.  Bluing means the substrate is drying out.  When you mist, how do you do it?  Do you mist directly and heavily, or do you spray above the FC and let it fall?  How long do you fan?  Is the fan in the room pointed at the FC?

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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: TheDeathryder]
    #16783538 - 09/03/12 07:40 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I mist directly on the substrate, then fan for a minute, the fan is pointed away from the fruiting chamber. I just give it a light misting so I can see droplets of water on the sub

I just put that tinfoil over the sub and pulled out the polyfill from the top two holes, should I undo that?

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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: TheBlazer08]
    #16783557 - 09/03/12 07:44 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'd go ahead and put the polyfil back in for now.  I would also mist directly and heavily twice a day, don't be afraid to get it wet, and only fan manually for about 5 to 10 seconds at a time.  I think that your problem is the reverse of what I originally thought it was, I think you've been giving too much FAE.

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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: TheDeathryder]
    #16783626 - 09/03/12 07:53 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)



first is the oldest tub
2nd tub been in fruiting for 13 days now

I was misting the first one like nuts and it was it was getting myc piss like crazy and thicking up but no fruits so I backed off

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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: TheBlazer08]
    #16783706 - 09/03/12 08:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Seems like it takes forever sometimes.  I had a couple tubs take 1.5 weeks pin.  Yours is 3 weeks so there is a problem.  Your picture looks healthy to me so I expect the fae is the main issue.  Good luck man!


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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: FakePlasticSky]
    #16783767 - 09/03/12 08:18 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

So mist very heavily 2x a day and maybe leave some of the poly out

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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: TheBlazer08]
    #16783781 - 09/03/12 08:20 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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first is the oldest tub
2nd tub been in fruiting for 13 days now

I was misting the first one like nuts and it was it was getting myc piss like crazy and thicking up but no fruits so I backed off






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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: shamanamba]
    #16783884 - 09/03/12 08:40 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'd put the polyfil back in.  You've got too much FAE going through there drying out your substrate.

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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: TheDeathryder]
    #16784030 - 09/03/12 09:12 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

ok, I put it back in but why won't it pin?

I was misting like crazy with the polyfill in, started getting myc piss all over and I would just soak up any puddles I seen and all it did was get the myc thicker and thicker for 3 weeks.
I quit misting cause I thought maybe that was the problem for the last week and now it looks like it's drying out....:frown:

I'll start misting again cause if deff looks dry but what to make it pin??

The temp in the room they are in is a solid 72F all day and night, 100% on that and they get plenty of indirect sunlight.

This is b+ btw.

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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: TheBlazer08]
    #16784058 - 09/03/12 09:18 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Everyone says they can pin in under 2 weeks and neither tub seems to want too. My last tub took 6 weeks, exact same everything, started to dry out but I ended up with 4oz's in 3 flush's, just took forever

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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: TheBlazer08]
    #16784077 - 09/03/12 09:22 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Is it possible with my ratio it is just getting too dry? Would dunking these now be a bad idea? Last time when I dunked after my first flush (took 6 weeks) I got my second flush in a week and it was massive

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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: TheBlazer08]
    #16784090 - 09/03/12 09:25 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I found a link that should help you out: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14508610#14508610

I wouldn't dunk quite yet.  I think your problem from the get go has been too much FAE.  By correcting the FAE issue, and maintaining a normal misting regimen, your substrate should recover and pin properly.

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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: TheDeathryder]
    #16784136 - 09/03/12 09:35 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know how to correct the fea? Put tighter polyfill and and mist heavily 2-3 times a day?

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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: TheBlazer08]
    #16784146 - 09/03/12 09:37 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

No dont over mist. Evaporation helps pinning. I mist well in the morning only.
I sometimes mist twice as after time its needed to help regulate humidity. But thats cake grows. Still applies. 3 times is a bit much. And GL hope you get results.


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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: TheBlazer08]
    #16784159 - 09/03/12 09:40 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Tighter polyfil and a heavy misting twice a day (once in the morning, once in the evening) followed by 5-15 seconds of manual fanning is what I would do.  If there's still water standing on the substrate 20 minutes after fanning, use a paper towel to absorb the excess and mist a little less until you find the sweet spot where there's no standing water after 20 minutes.

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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: Hellyen]
    #16784175 - 09/03/12 09:45 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Without question you need to dunk. after a month its too dry to fruit decently or if at all. so thats your first step.
stuff the polyfil loosely and then mist and fan like 5x times a day. the evaporation causes knotting which then causes pinning.
a stubborn tub IME can often be persuaded to pin by misting and fanning more. iv also had luck lowering the temp to about 65 degrees at night then letting it go back up to 75 during the day.
good luck man stubborn tubs happen but they will eventually pin or turn green. if it turns green put it outside under some wet coir, keep it wet, and itll pin.

also when you mist dont mist heavily, mist more often instead. all heavy misting does is bruise it


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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: shamanamba]
    #16784179 - 09/03/12 09:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Excerpt from the above mentioned link.

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3. Borrowing a picture here with thanks :smile:
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Effect: Yellowing, blueing, or "bruising" substrate.
Cause: Stress! :bomb: This is caused by too much FAE and subsequent drying of the substrate, contaminates in the substrate, dropping your humidity gauge on your friends :uhoh:, direct/close proximity misting, or anything else you can imagine straining the substrate, which is pretty fragile (especially primordia.)
Solution: Take it easy!  :cool:  I would say the most common cause of this one is the excess FAE, so adjust that accordingly when you begin to see bruising, metabolites, etc. Don't try to reverse the drying out effect with extra misting. This often leads to a dense mat of mycelium on the surface discouraging primorida/pins from forming.








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Seems like a likely culprit here.

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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: Grumpyorc]
    #16784188 - 09/03/12 09:48 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

also, if i were you, id sterelize some dry fine grade verm in the oven and sprinkle on a very thin layer. people are gonna respond that thats a bad idea becasue it gives a microclimate for contaminants to fruit.
verm is non nutritious and nothings gonna germinate on the mushroom mycelium so these people are wrong i do it all the time, and have used this stratagy with the other ones i just listed and have had success forcing stupid tubs to pin.
the verm layer will stabalize the humidity since you went with the old ohmatic style tub
these tubs are fail on a small scale :p use the SGFC/mono hybrid  with that size tub. look up DoC_T mini mono and youll find it. you can use it on a larger scale but with a big tub i dunno the ohmatics maybe better. I keep it small


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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: Grumpyorc]
    #16784235 - 09/03/12 09:57 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The one tub, better looking of the two, has been fruiting for about 14 days now.  I re-tapped the bottom 4 holes with micropore tape and left the top two holes with polyfill to see if that will correct the fea. I will mist in the morning and maybe one more time in the afternoons?

The second tub, dryer looking of the two that's been going for a month, should I dunk this one?

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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: TheBlazer08]
    #16784254 - 09/03/12 10:00 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It would be better to mist mornings and evenings. Giving it that time allows for evaporation. Which will help your pins... Hopefully. Also Id read some teks on influencing pinning. Tons on here. Sometimes Myc needs a little coaxing.


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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: Hellyen]
    #16795136 - 09/05/12 08:48 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Well I dunked tub number one for ten hours. Looked pretty blue all over at first but now it is starting to fade, see how it looks in the morn.

Other tub (about 2 weeks old now) I put my micropore tape one the bottom 4 holes and left poly on the top two, misting in the morning and again before bed

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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: TheBlazer08]
    #16795277 - 09/05/12 09:10 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Give each tub about ten minutes of direct sunlight each day.  I'll bet by the third day it's covered in primordia.
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Re: Monotubs won't pin! Any advice? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #16827898 - 09/11/12 08:51 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

any news?

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    #16827903 - 09/11/12 08:53 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Give each tub about ten minutes of direct sunlight each day.  I'll bet by the third day it's covered in primordia.
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    #16839936 - 09/13/12 08:38 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Update, nothing :-(.
The tub I dunked don't look good and the other one just keeps getting whiter and nothing happening

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    #16839987 - 09/13/12 08:51 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Post up some more pictures. :thumbup:


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