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Offlinepsyconaught
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Re: for those that dont believe in evolution..... [Re: DieCommie]
    #16771775 - 09/01/12 03:35 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Evolution means one species evolves into another and no longer can it reproduce with the old species.




Not really.  You are talking about speciation here, a different (but related) concept.  When people try to reduce the theory of evolution by natural selection to a simple phrase or sentence they almost always miss the point.



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speciation is different than evolution. evolution isnt a switch that happens just at the moment a species changes into another.
and losing hair IS adding information to the genome, it isnt as complex as say an organ, but when adaptions overtime combine it becomes complex


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Re: for those that dont believe in evolution..... [Re: psyconaught]
    #16771826 - 09/01/12 03:45 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Homeostasis implies nothing of the sort.




Homeostasis is the reason the the crocodile is the same today as it was 200 million years ago and why many many species have remained unchanged for hundreds of millions of years.. sharks misquitos, crabs, jelly fish, ferns etc..

You see it in dog breeding. When a breed is bred so many times it eventually reverts back to its natural form. Homeostasis keeps a species in check and nature static. If a species were to change to much from its original it either because infertile or homeostasis occurs.


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Re: for those that dont believe in evolution..... [Re: DieCommie]
    #16771970 - 09/01/12 04:12 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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PROVE evolution is not only real but happening right now. See the hair on your arms? That's evolution, all humans are slowly losing all the unnecessary body hair that we once had. We are nowhere near done evolving.





Sounds more like an adaptation then evolution, that doesn't even require adding information to the genome. There is a pretty big different between a species evolving a complex organ opposed to losing some hair.. lol

I don't deny evolution but I am very confident that natural selection and mutations are in no way the real driving force behind evolution. If anything natural selection and survival of the fittest keeps a species in check and alive, actually making it so it is not necessary for the species to actually change.

The real power behind evolution is consciousness and mind not physical mechanics. The scientific paradigm of the day cannot even consider this because it is dominated by dogmatic materialism.




Here is where you began to be wrong.
So simply explained by Psyconaught.

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its the adaptations over millions of years that cause evolution. Humans dont have tails anymore, yet you can see the remnants of it in our skeletal system. Would you consider humans losing a tail not evolving? And in order for science to be science it has to stick to things that can be measured, its the nature of the beast. If you stray from that you wander into faith territory, which is not science




Here is where you went way the fuck off course, and wronger.

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Can a human with a tail mate with one without one? If it can then they are the same species and no i don't consider it an example of evolution. Evolution means one species evolves into another and no longer can it reproduce with the old species.

Losing a tail or an appendix doesn't require adding complex information into the genome and is a sorry example of "evolution in action".




Here is where you became desperate, and again, wrong.
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soldatheero said:
Evolution cannot happen through gradual adaptation alone because of homeostasis. After a certain degree of alteration the species reverts back to it's original form.




And here is where everyone else started to notice how wrong you were.
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DieCommie said:
Homeostasis implies nothing of the sort.




Sorry, for wasting my time on you.


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Re: for those that dont believe in evolution..... [Re: Tmethyl] * 1
    #16772275 - 09/01/12 05:12 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah sure you are such an authority all you have to do is say wrong wrong wrong and somehow that is suppose to matter.


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Re: for those that dont believe in evolution..... [Re: psyconaught]
    #16772645 - 09/01/12 06:11 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Those who speak of evolution often know nothing about it. I know very little, which i will look into later, but i accept it philosophically.



are you implying bill Nye doesnt know much about evolution?



No. I'm saying that one video of him explaining it will not give you enough information to talk about it correctly.


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Re: for those that dont believe in evolution..... [Re: soldatheero]
    #16773955 - 09/01/12 10:42 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

You have hit upon something.

The lack of intermediate organisms between the fossil records indicates a gigantic hole in Darwin's theory.


This doesn't mean that there weren't beings out there that knew how to directly manipulate genetics.

Even today there are designer pro-biotics available on the market.

The big picture is so well organized that it defies the suggestion of random happenstance.

Even Einstein said that "God does not play dice."  Statistically, most scientists have the view that Higher Intelligence is at work somewhere.

They have theories that other dimensions exist beyond what our physical senses can apprehend, even with the aid of advanced equipment.

If higher dimensions exist, is there life there?

Some people close the door to their home and demand proof that the outside exists.


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Re: for those that dont believe in evolution..... [Re: psyconaught]
    #16777283 - 09/02/12 04:04 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

i believe in evolution, I believe though, that humans are probably genetically manipulated primates or were sped up tremendously in evolution because I feel like we should be finding a lot more fossils. Maybe this is ignorant but I do feel like either we are lacking hard evidence to support human evolution or it must have happened in a VERY limited habitat....

Just high talk....

Its the stooooned apes maaaan!


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Re: for those that dont believe in evolution..... [Re: Seanfu]
    #16777301 - 09/02/12 04:08 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

hahahah fucking humans I already evolved what the fuck you all waiting for stop hating eachother.


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OfflineEliteAmericans
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Re: for those that dont believe in evolution..... [Re: Tmethyl]
    #16778029 - 09/02/12 06:35 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Tmethyl said:
Basically, you're a brainwashed oblivious dipshit christian if you think evolution isn't real.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
We have the evidence for evolution.
There is no god higher than truth.

Need I say more?  :n00bslayer:




I'm a Christian and see evolution as a natural process. U mad bro?


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