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Re: Can myc beat the contam? [Re: Kizzle]
    #16773326 - 09/01/12 08:30 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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It depends on what you mean winning. The mycelium won't kill trich and the mold mycelium spreads throughout the substrate, not just where you can see the mold. So even if you get mushrooms the mold will continue return and everytime it does it does so in larger amounts and releases more and more into your grow area unless you have it isolated by fruiting it outdoors.




So if I fruit outdoors vs continuing in the monotub, somehow the isolated environment of a monotub is secondary to the isolated environment of the wide open air of outdoors? Also if the colonization of the myc beats out the trich and I collect fruits my second flush from that sub with the trich embedded would once again beat the trich seeing as the myc would have a jump on it as it is the dominant lifeform would it not?


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Re: Can myc beat the contam? [Re: Spuncookie]
    #16773366 - 09/01/12 08:37 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Is it worth fucking up future grows? this game is all about % the less you do to keep stuff up, the more chances of failure

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Re: Can myc beat the contam? [Re: SimpleFarmer]
    #16773405 - 09/01/12 08:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you all for your input. I have already separated the tub from my other tubs in the room. I hope to have a TC chime in as this is a truly beneficial thread and winning the war would be awesome. If I do decide to set outside, how should I go about it? Do dig a bed for it, I dont have any compost piles at this new property so throwing it in there is not an option.


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Re: Can myc beat the contam? [Re: Kizzle] * 1
    #16773427 - 09/01/12 08:52 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I sadly just had to toss a tub I had a solid week into serious flushing.
Woke up in the morning to fan and immediately spotted a real scraggly
abort then eas just dusted in green. closer examination showed another
quarter-sized colony of the foul beast. moved the tub immediately
outside, away from direct sunlight, and well away from open windows. A
couple days later I picked about an ounce (dry) of premature mushrooms
before tossing the cake.


Advice: Toss her outside and see what becomes of it. Pick what you can
before it gets too nasty.

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Re: Can myc beat the contam? [Re: reinfect]
    #16777581 - 09/02/12 05:16 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

So I decided to toss it outside but Im still unsure as to what to cover it with or not cover, do I just leave it in a shady spot uncovered? S orry to bump but Im trying my best to find a method to salvage it the best I can.


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Re: Can myc beat the contam? [Re: Spuncookie]
    #16777719 - 09/02/12 05:37 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I remembered one poster explaining that most contams happen in the colonization of the spawn.  I think it was Doc if I remembered correctly.

Anyway, he would say something like; shake the bag a couple days before you make your bulk/spawn sub.  If the grow bag or jar recolonizes easily; then you have a healthy mycelium.

I hope I'm not misquoting him though.


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Re: Can myc beat the contam? [Re: FakePlasticSky]
    #16777789 - 09/02/12 05:49 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the input but I dont see how that is on point with this topic. I still have yet to understand as to wheteher or not trich can win the battle against myc as it looks like in my tub myc was definitely winning the war. Regardless I decided to remove the cake of sub and place outside in a shady area. now my question is to how I should proceed from there to still bear the fruits of my labor.


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Re: Can myc beat the contam? [Re: Spuncookie]
    #16777799 - 09/02/12 05:52 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Thanks for the input but I dont see how that is on point with this topic. I still have yet to understand as to wheteher or not trich can win the battle against myc as it looks like in my tub myc was definitely winning the war. Regardless I decided to remove the cake of sub and place outside in a shady area. now my question is to how I should proceed from there to still bear the fruits of my labor.




Oh I'm sorry...  Well if it's winning the war; then you will get fruit.  The advice to take it outside is only to avoid contaminating anything else inside.  I think they will still produce fruit.  Maybe cut out the infected areas?  I know that's the advice for infected cakes.

But after you do it, then make damn sure you wash your hands and put the cloths in the hamper.  That shit will stick to your cloths and you will have the same problem again.


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Re: Can myc beat the contam? [Re: FakePlasticSky]
    #16777914 - 09/02/12 06:17 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Well I honestly do not plan on cutting or touching the infected area, I broke the sub cake in two and set the side with the infection about 100ft apart outside on the ground in the jungle... yes I mean jungle... I live in the tropics. My query is to if I should cover the cake with straw or manure or leaves or gummi bears or..... and if anyone has had success stories based upon a situation like mine?


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Re: Can myc beat the contam? [Re: Spuncookie]
    #16777972 - 09/02/12 06:26 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

You can still get fruits from a contaminated substrate, as long as it's just trich you'd be ok to harvest and eat them.  If it were say bacteria or black mold though, those you would want to avoid.  Your main concern once the infected substrate has been relocated is whether or not the contamination is hazardous to human health.  I'd just treat the relocated substrate like normal, or spawn it to an outdoor bed of poo.

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Re: Can myc beat the contam? [Re: TheDeathryder]
    #16778166 - 09/02/12 07:01 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

One question that I seen the OP ask earlier in this post was if he can cut an infected area out of his myc? I have a similar situation going on. I have an aluminum lasagna about 18 inches long x 10 wide, and 3 inches deep, filled with a rye grain substrate, and a 50/50 verm/peat casing. Its one of my first attempts at fruiting, which is why I didnt go with the Bucket Coir Tek, which ill be doing next time. I have said lasagna pan in a large 120 liter plastic tub fruiting chamber, and in with it is a 5 small Glad plastic square sanwich Tupperware containers with the same mix and casing, as you can see in my avatar picture, although the pic only shows half the tub. The lasagna pan has an area all the way to the right, about the size of maybe two dimes side by side that are white on top, but it LOOKS LIKE might have something green underneath. Now im referring to the top of the casing layer that has some Myc over it. About an inch away from that, 3 days ago I found a very very small little piece of green, which I quickly scrapped off with a knife and threw away. Should I leave that POSSIBLY green but covered with white, two dime sized area alone and see what happens, or should I attempt to cut it out now while I still can before it gets worse and starts working its way down and through everything else? Should I remove the whole lasagna pan before it infects my other trays in the same bin? The strain in the lasagna pan is Brazil, and the other strains are TEX and MEX, not sure if that helps, but I heard some strains are more prone to contams then others. I agree with the above poster in that if I see black mold I immediately go into a controlled panic and remove that completely and throw it away outside, and i dont even attempt to save it, as black mold is deadly. But this is green, and its not coming through the top yet. Any ideas? I could supply a quick photo if needed.
To the OP, thanks for asking this question, I was wondering myself. However based of my little knowledge and research, I may have to agree with the other commenter in that yes it will probably still give edible fruit if its not black mold or bacteria, but as of yet I dont know any cases of myc being able to actually take over a harmful mold/bacteria and isolate it from the rest of the tray, and still be able to continue to bear edible fruit.


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Re: Can myc beat the contam? [Re: LukeSitewalker]
    #16778199 - 09/02/12 07:08 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Surgery on trays to remove green mold has been attempted in the past, and I've yet to come across an instance where it was successful.  I would isolate that pan and wait to see what it does.

As far as the variety (strain is not the most accurate term), cubes are cubes, they have the same growth parameters, and with very few exceptions, the same vulnerability to contaminates.

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