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Hellyen
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Water bottle LC
#16773007 - 09/01/12 07:28 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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First off props to the Shroomery, taught me everything I know plus gave me some ideas. Thats why I'm going to share the way I make LC's. Not only is it super easy, it is cost/time efficient as well. So here's how ya do it: Things Needed 1) water bottle (thin plastic eg. Kroger brand water bottles desired) 2) Honey. I use honey.. Can use sugar etc. etc. Not here to teach on that. 3) Spores/Myc. I'll be using the last CC of a spore syringe for this guide. 4) Clean workspace. I use oven door technique. I've read techs where guys go as far as jumping in the shower and then work naked. Lol do what you want but I've had 100% success with oven door. If you don't know its preset your oven to 300 then set it to 250 while you work. The idea being as hot air rises keeps workspace clean. Science, bam. Use it, or don't.
So in your clean working space pour out approximately half of the water bottles contents. Do whatever with it, hell drink it.

Now take your honey and pour it into the water bottle opening.

Now you need to take your syringe and simply squirt some in. As I said I'm using the last CC of a spore syringe.

That's that. Put the cap on and give it a good shake. Place the bottle in your closet or wherever you put your jars.

Okay, now the way we introduce air is this: Once to twice a day take your water bottle and loosen the cap very very slightly. Only loosen it enough so that when the plastic is squeezed, air escapes. Squeeze it until the water very nearly comes out.. as you release the plastic air will be sucked back into the bottle. Your bottle cap acts as a sort of filter. Now we are already making an LC like MacGyver so don't squeeze more than you need to. Honestly some days I think I neglected it, it needs oxygen but not tons of it. Also after doing this several times your bottle will start to warp a bit. No problem at all, this isn't a beauty contest.
And Ten Days later we have

Now its back to your clean working space. Take the water bottle LC and your syringe. You will need to sterilize the syringe. I PC'ed my syringe to sterilize it but also there is the boiling water technique. I also washed the water bottle with soap and water as well as my hands. Shake up your LC then plunge in your syringe and fill her up.

You know the rest.. Inject your jars.

Now if you did everything properly, and sterile, 3 days later should have something like this.

Yes I have tin foil on my jars still. I had a gnat problem before and feel more secure with them on. So deal do it your way on you're grow.
So that's pretty much it. just use your LC and info from this post and others to have an infinite supply of LC's. This tek requires no pressure cooker, so hopefully it helps some people out. I have a pressure cooker and still prefer this method. If your using one of your jars for an LC, turn it into a grow jar. Let me know how it goes I am interested. Any questions please ask. Thanks!!!!! I posted this in advanced mycology but think this is the proper forum instead... Seems a bit snobby over there. Admin plz feel free to delete my post there. Plus only do this if you have some idea what the hell you're doing. I didnt come up with this for newbs.. Even though one could totally do this. Mushrrooms arent hard ppl seriously
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Edited by Hellyen (09/02/12 10:03 PM)
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16773044 - 09/01/12 07:35 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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So many problems with your sterile technique.. Don't know where to start..
/e - Editing with relevant info as I find it.
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RogerRabbit said: A hot oven creates wind currents which draw contaminants into the work area, increasing the rate of contamination. We've known this since about 24 hours after some idiot posted that original 'tek', yet it keeps getting repeated time and time again, screwing up ever more new growers in the process. RR
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Hellyen said: So in your clean working space pour out approximately half of the water bottles contents. Do whatever with it, hell drink it.
Now take your honey and pour it into the water bottle opening.
Now you need to take your syringe and simply squirt some in. As I said I'm using the last CC of a spore syringe.
Drinking from the bottle will only introduce germs to the LC. You're supposed to pre-mix the ingredients then pressure cook to create a sterile environment. Then sterilize the needle with a flame to inoculate. You should also have self sealing ports for sterility.
..read some teks.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: iwaspwnd]
#16773060 - 09/01/12 07:39 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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iwaspwnd said:
So many problems with your sterile technique.. Don't know where to start..

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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16773087 - 09/01/12 07:44 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Okay... I wish you would tell me. I figured there would be doubters because its such a simple techniqe. Thats why i added pictures and didnt post back when it was an idea. I posted when I had proof. Just because you dont know shit or are too scared dont doubt my inoculated jar. Buddy. I have better shit to do than lie on here.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16773098 - 09/01/12 07:47 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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How many times with 100% success rate? and this is what lc is sposta look like
Edited by SimpleFarmer (09/01/12 07:49 PM)
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16773114 - 09/01/12 07:52 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Okay so u disagree with the oven tech. Point is I use it and it works. My tech isnt about clean working space. Thats just what i use. And the tech works So if you get off on being an internet snob enjoy yourself. Point is this works. Ive tweaked every tech ive read do the same. But save your stupid Red Foreman emotes. Cuz working space cleanliness aside this tek beats all the other shit out there.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16773123 - 09/01/12 07:55 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Again ... How may times have you done this ?
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I would like to see some fruiting pics.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16773159 - 09/01/12 08:01 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Over 20 jars no contams. I know theres better ways but as cost is involved seems unnecessary. I agree your LC has a better look. But still myc is microscopic and doesnt need to be as gooey as you think to perform. I believe i used too little honey why my water is not more yellow. Also if u pc with honey i think that darkens it. Anyway you can see the white clumps, and it does work. Someone get the balls to try it. I thought this up because You are all overthinking it. Frankly all the doubt makes me wonder why I shared. But someone will get useful info out of it i hope. TRY it it works.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16773188 - 09/01/12 08:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol microscopic myc is not lc homie .. You need to be able to see the myc .. How long did you leave it in the bottle? I understand you already said it but
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16773191 - 09/01/12 08:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Again, I would like to see some fruiting pics, I just imagine they're full of germs and don't produce very well.
Just read some LC teks, there are some cheap ones. Check out the baby bottle one.
Spending 10 bucks to get a proper LC that won't contaminate is worth way more than failed attempts.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16773203 - 09/01/12 08:10 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hellyen said: TRY it it works.
sometimes yes, but LC from spores is sketchy anyways...spores are never 100% clean because the caps were fruited in the open air... the darkening u are referring to when PCing is crystallization of the sugars.
Why tell people do try something that would more than likely get them contams...ur sterile technique sux.
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A$10 tub or an oven that worked for a guy... Hmm . no disrespect but its not good info for alot of noobs bc most of the time people have bad results when trying this ..
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16773235 - 09/01/12 08:15 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im on the third flush of shrooms grown from my water bottle lc. With a syringe full to start another in the fridge. Need to go to Kroger. As i didnt say in tech thin plastic makes it easier to insert needle. Why is everyone doubtful ive done many grows never one contam. I think some of you must just be dirty ppl. Try it what do you have to lose? A water bottle. I think alot of you dont want to realize you do unnecessary steps. I get it you all are critiqing my oven method. Point is what works works. And this is also easy.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen] 1
#16773269 - 09/01/12 08:19 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Na I will stick to my SAB and agar
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16773276 - 09/01/12 08:20 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I said your LC was better. But you can still see white clumps if u look at the pic. Get some glasses Homey. Plus doubt doubt all u want thats why i posted pics. Shit works get over the fact you do extra bs. Smarter not harder. HOMEY.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16773298 - 09/01/12 08:25 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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there is no pics of mushies sir I can make mold gorw in a brf jar that looks like your little splach ..
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SimpleFarmer said: Na I will stick to my SAB and agar 
Agreed.
Only did PF tek once then moved to mono's. Would love to do a method like this and have many many jars of wbs contaminate. Got a free PCer that only holds 3 qt jars at a time so it takes me all day to PC my grains. Would be lots of wasted time.
I can almost understand doin' something like this if you're extremely lazy and you can isolate the problem cakes with it.... But Couldn't really recommend it then even.
Again, 10-15$ would make you worry a lot less for proper LC jar(s).
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16773327 - 09/01/12 08:30 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok SimpleFarmer. I tripped on 5 grams earlier today. So you want pics of my FC? Will that make you shut up... Ive got to fan them anyway and can snap a shot. ike i said just redunked for third flush... Will that make u stfu?
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16773337 - 09/01/12 08:32 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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So let me guess they are all picked bc of the 5 grams you ate? EDIT: I guess I should say lc from ms
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OMG look at your fucking stove man !!! Clean that thing pimpn not just for this tek thing but for healthy living
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Best trolling ever
perhaps?
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: iwaspwnd]
#16773414 - 09/01/12 08:48 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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No there is way better trolls than me .. It just comes natural to me ..
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16773419 - 09/01/12 08:50 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yep you guessed it Simplefarmer. I grow exactly 5g of shrooms and ate them all. Are you fucking inept at life, or just the forum. No i have a bag of about 15g of shrooms plus my FC still growing. Ill post a pic tommorow cuz i dont wanna change lighting in room. Mushies isnt all i grow. You simpleton. Like I said I have better shit to do than lie to you ppl. Im 27 and a Marine corps vet. Infantry. Take the information as you will but dont label me as a liar you basement dwelling loser with lame avatars.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16773430 - 09/01/12 08:52 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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As that other guy said simple farmer your just a troll. Ill post pics tomorrow if threads still alive. I dont need to prove a thing to you but will tommorow just for others who may be having doubts. Enjoy being lame Simpleton Farmer. Mmmmkay -insert corny emote that makes me cool like Simple Farmer
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16773468 - 09/01/12 09:00 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16773512 - 09/01/12 09:09 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Usually I would be like all the others and tell you how unsanitary this is... but I would like to see something this simple work; because so far everything I've seen isn't necessarily difficult, but requires a lot of time to make sure you get it right.
Post some pics of your fruits and if they look healthy I will test this method for myself (and proof that this works or doesn't)
Good luck!
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16773593 - 09/01/12 09:26 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hellyen said: Ok SimpleFarmer. I tripped on 5 grams earlier today. So you want pics of my FC? Will that make you shut up... Ive got to fan them anyway and can snap a shot. ike i said just redunked for third flush... Will that make u stfu?
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Thank you Groc60 for being the first positive response. My idea about this is applying the basics. Spores or myc to fresh water. Osmisis bottled water comes pre sterelized. So its a matter of controlling your environment. Fresh spores to clean water plus growth medium such as honey. Its a pre packaged environment. Ppl claim im lazy. Shrooms are already easy to grow, i think i simplified it a further step. Make your LC right... trip forever. but its like the saying give a man a fish etc. Teach him how to fish etc.I say im keepin it simple. Smarter not Harder. So thx do this grow then post success.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16773637 - 09/01/12 09:36 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hellyen said: Thank you Groc60 for being the first positive response. My idea about this is applying the basics. Spores or myc to fresh water. Osmisis bottled water comes pre sterelized. So its a matter of controlling your environment. Fresh spores to clean water plus growth medium such as honey. Its a pre packaged environment. Ppl claim im lazy. Shrooms are already easy to grow, i think i simplified it a further step. Make your LC right... trip forever. Im not religious but its like the saying give a man a fish etc. Teach gim how to fish etc.I say im keepin it simple Smarter not Harder. So thx do this grow then post success.
No prob man, i'ts a hobby of mine to test stuff anyway, I'm not a big supporter of using spores though cause they can get dirty so i'll probably use an isolate.
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Here is the picture I said I'd post Groc. These were grown using the method I use. Keep in mind this is the third flush after a dunk and roll. The first flush was shrooms galore.

Also this is a jar on it's 4th day now. It is hard to get a good picture but looking at it shows signs of rhizomorphic growth. When i fruit these jars perhaps I will re post with better pics and a more polished guide.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16775810 - 09/02/12 10:29 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Those mushrooms look alright to me! I'll try it with an iso, I have to wait on my upcoming batch tho... Just dunked half an hour ago, wish me luck!
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Groc60]
#16775845 - 09/02/12 10:36 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thank you. And Good Luck!
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Groc60]
#16775901 - 09/02/12 10:48 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is this a Tek? I'm assuming to replace a Glove Box..
Because I always do open air inoculation without contaminates. But that doesn't mean its a good idea, or that it's proven to work.
Just wanted to add that what works for one or "some" won't work for all. A lot of times you get Beginners looking to cut corners, finding these Tek's. Then Using them, end up with failed results. Then come and ask "why" it failed....
In all actuality a hot oven creates air movement into the oven.(cold, high density air always flows towards warm, low density air) the expansion of the hot air causes turbulence, which increases the air movement around your sterile work area. Which is what you don't want...
You would be better using a Box with a Suran Wrap window.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: DynGBreeD] 1
#16776001 - 09/02/12 11:09 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nu uh!!! He's an ex marine , he knows what he's doing .
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DynGBreed did you just post without reading. Is my post called "oven door tek". No its about making an LC in a water bottle. I clearly state do whatever you want for your clean working space.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16778152 - 09/02/12 06:59 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hellyen said: DynGBreed did you just post without reading. Is my post called "oven door tek". No its about making an LC in a water bottle. I clearly state do whatever you want for your clean working space.
This "oven door tek" has been disproved many times, look use the SEARCH function. Getting new growers to believe this misinformation will cause many failed attempts, and mucho wasted dinero. Which is what we try to avoid.
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Hellyen said: Here is the picture I said I'd post Groc. These were grown using the method I use. Keep in mind this is the third flush after a dunk and roll. The first flush was shrooms galore.

I must ask, have you even tried the original teks? SAB? As I recall you roll once and then dunk as many times. How many cakes you have right now? Sure you're not trying to trick us, by saying it's the 1st flush.
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Hellyen said: Just because you dont know shit or are too scared dont doubt my inoculated jar. Buddy. I have better shit to do than lie on here.
Said you have 15 grams? Tub in my sig produced approx 155 dry grams (5.5 oz) on the first flush..
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: iwaspwnd]
#16778218 - 09/02/12 07:12 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Down Marine! We don't pay you to think in this mans army! We pay you to subjugate un-educated third world saps who are sitting on too much mineral wealth.
LEARN YOUR PLACE!
With that out of the way, I've tried numerous drinking bottles out for this (usually things like glass bottles, I can pressure cook)
Limited success at best, glass jars with self healing ports saved me a ton of time and work.
Also we're trying to tell you that while the oven tek may appear to have worked for you, it doesn't actually. So good job if that worked, but change your sterile technique.
And spend some money marine! If you want results!
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Okay, lol. Should have never said the Marine shit. Also my technique works so id rather not complicate it. You either know how to grow or you don't.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16778341 - 09/02/12 07:42 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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DynGBreeD said: Is this a Tek? I'm assuming to replace a Glove Box..
Because I always do open air inoculation without contaminates. But that doesn't mean its a good idea, or that it's proven to work.
Just wanted to add that what works for one or "some" won't work for all. A lot of times you get Beginners looking to cut corners, finding these Tek's. Then Using them, end up with failed results. Then come and ask "why" it failed....
In all actuality a hot oven creates air movement into the oven.(cold, high density air always flows towards warm, low density air) the expansion of the hot air causes turbulence, which increases the air movement around your sterile work area. Which is what you don't want...
You would be better using a Box with a Suran Wrap window.
Sorry dude, he's right. Oven tek is way outdated and actually more bad then good. RR will chime in and say so also.. that's why everyone is giving you so much heat. Simplefarmer is a stinky troll but in all actuality your oven tek thing is way way outdated and is actually advised against in several posts by trusted cultivators. Posting a tek about using this tek was sure to invoke flaming, surely you knew that?
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Hellyen
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This is the last time i'll respond to this in the thread. I dont give a fuck about oven door tech! Its just how i chose to do mine. I understand you suck simple farmer. But apply tech in any clean working space and it = success. Have the guts to try it before you discount it, or just stfu and move on.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16778416 - 09/02/12 07:58 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Khii Khwaay
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Ignoring the OvenDoor tek for a second... OP, how did you sterilize your medium? It seems to me that you just mixed honey and water and then inoculated.
I understand that you believe that bottled water is sterile, but dude, honey is FILTHY. It comes from bees and is exposed to all sorts of airborne contaminates before it even goes in the bottle.
Did you PC/Steam the bottle before you shot it up? And if you did, how did you keep it from becoming a lump in the bottom of the pot?
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Yes Brain Fart (lol @ ur name) I admit my oven tek for innoc is flawed. I was not trying to convert fellow mycoligist to it. I was simply showing a hella simple method of producing an LC within a water bottle. I apologize for any post I come across as dickish. Im just slightly defensive because I know this works. I understand ppl are skiddish to somethin.. I dont facebook or do any other social media. I like his forum for the unique things we talk about. So I encourage you to try it. Hell tell me a better way to do it! But don't say it doesn't work becuz it does.
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To answer your ? Khii.
It was a relatively fresh thing of honey. But i would not PC a plastic bottle. No you introduce it in plastic bottle like I said. You should be able to spot contams in your bottle. Fortunately ive always had healthy white myc. i copied ratio of honey from another tek. I think I use too little why bottle is clear. But it still works so dont overdue it.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16778576 - 09/02/12 08:43 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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You can't always spot contams in lc that's why most people use agar , if they are serious ..
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Im serius Simple farmer. I always inject test jars before I commit to a grow. PF posted his stuff in 92 or whatever and newbs are directed to those posts. So take it and expand. Easy ass LC. Never done agar but then again I just grow enough for me and the wife.. Plus friends. So I dont go overboard. can't we all just trip together...?
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16778771 - 09/02/12 09:25 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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The tek doesn't say how much honey to use.
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Your bottle cap acts as a sort of filter.
In your favor the initial condition of the bottle water and honey should be pretty close to sterile, so it's not surprising that it works but the cap isn't going to filter the air.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16778839 - 09/02/12 09:38 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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No, what I'm saying is that honey is NOT STERILE, even in an unopened jar. Think about it... that bee is flying around, landing on flowers and kicking up all kinds of dust, spores etc with the pollen it collects. And then coming back to the hive and mixing it all together.
You really have to sterilize your media.
You should also edit your first post to say "TRY AT YOUR OWN RISK, if only for the noobs.
For gods sake man, think about the poor noobs.
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Do the tech as described and you will see how it does. You squeeze all air out. And if bottle cap is just slightly unscrewed you will see how minimal air is introduced in this LC. Just enough clean air. For extra precaution only vent air in your Clean Working Space. Dont use the oven or youll go to hell and argue on shroomery all day. Hell half the good info on this place is a decade old. Why ppl always bitch at new ppl for not using Search. Just my idea. So flame me.. And if you are bold. Try it.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16778899 - 09/02/12 09:51 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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if u find old and outdated info on the main page please post it here:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15329243
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Hellyen said: Dont use the oven or youll go to hell and argue on shroomery all day.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16778917 - 09/02/12 09:57 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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With all due respect, I bought a $35 PC and made a $5 glove box, so, no, I don't think I'll be doing any open-air inoculations of un-sterile media, thank you very much.
I've grown my share of jars full of bacteria LC, and they're actually kind of scary. I'm sure some of that shit can make you sick.
But hey, if it works for you, then keep on truckin', bro.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: PussyFart]
#16778940 - 09/02/12 10:02 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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The problem is there is old outdated info littered throughout the site, in the form of old posts.
When people UTFSE or look at the "related threads" at the bottom of the thread, they can dig up stuff that will basically get them laughed at when they ask about it.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16778960 - 09/02/12 10:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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And if bottle cap is just slightly unscrewed you will see how minimal air is introduced in this LC.
The amount of air isn't as important as what's in the air and how it is filtered. What do you think the micron rating on a loose cap is? If it works it works, but this can't be considered a sterile tek. I remember seeing a post from 6 years ago, a guy used a jar with a 1/16" hole in the lid covered with a piece of foil. It was working for him and others, but there was nothing to keep germs from just floating in at some point. These days there are a variety of ways to build LC containers with a filter and inoculation port.
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As i said before. Half the relevant shit from this site is ten years old. now its a bunch of pokemon generation faggots. Hah. So as I've said do what you want. I'll keep taking this shit to the next lvl.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
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Hellyen said: Half the relevant shit from this site is ten years old. now its a bunch of pokemon generation faggots.
Pokemon was soo ten years ago....lol.....nice try tho
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Lol. I said pokemon fags are ten yrs old just like that info. You proved my point. Getting alot of hits ppl must be intrigued by this bullshit. For every hater 1 person try it and lets see results.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16779046 - 09/02/12 10:26 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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u mad bro?
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: PussyFart]
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16779086 - 09/02/12 10:33 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just tried it!
I used Tetley instead of spores, though. Who doesn't like a good brew-up?
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: PussyFart]
#16779113 - 09/02/12 10:39 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wow nice emotes tard asses. Some of you are aborts. Your mother should of picked u out and tossed u. Anyways read... Might just learn somethin.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16779118 - 09/02/12 10:42 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I should leave u a bad rating just for being an ass, but im better than that. Ill let everyone else do it.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: PussyFart]
#16779152 - 09/02/12 10:48 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: I should leave u a bad rating just for being an ass, but im better than that. Ill let everyone else do it.
Frankly a bad rating I can stomach. Trust me ill sleep fine. I faced more scrutiny for posting my LC. Thats what the internet is for. So later.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16779204 - 09/02/12 10:58 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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You just can't take criticism ..
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16779210 - 09/02/12 10:59 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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My Mom spawned me to bulk.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16779223 - 09/02/12 11:01 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hellyen said: Im on the third flush of shrooms grown from my water bottle lc. With a syringe full to start another in the fridge. Need to go to Kroger. As i didnt say in tech thin plastic makes it easier to insert needle. Why is everyone doubtful ive done many grows never one contam. I think some of you must just be dirty ppl. Try it what do you have to lose? A water bottle. I think alot of you dont want to realize you do unnecessary steps. I get it you all are critiqing my oven method. Point is what works works. And this is also easy.
less than 20 grows does not count as many..
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16779260 - 09/02/12 11:11 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hellyen said:
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Notahacker420 said: I should leave u a bad rating just for being an ass, but im better than that. Ill let everyone else do it.
Frankly a bad rating I can stomach. Trust me ill sleep fine. I faced more scrutiny for posting my LC. Thats what the internet is for. So later.
The reason you are getting so much crap is your attitude i have grown around 15 pounds since iv started on this site and even i take opinions on how i can do things better....the main point is sterility and with this hobby is built around, taking short cuts there is bad form and i am all for new teks and ideas BUT the oven has been tried and found NOT suitable. There are other factors to consider your lc vs a real healthy thick lc colonization times strength of the mycelium basically you can keep doing that weak lc or you can do a harder faster stronger way its up to you ,,,,,,people get angry because they as do i am chalking your tek as misinformation .
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16779286 - 09/02/12 11:17 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hellyen said: Yep you guessed it Simplefarmer. I grow exactly 5g of shrooms and ate them all. Are you fucking inept at life, or just the forum. No i have a bag of about 15g of shrooms plus my FC still growing. Ill post a pic tommorrow cuz i dont wanna change lighting in room. Mushies isnt all i grow. You simpleton. Like I said I have better shit to do than lie to you ppl. Im 27 and a Marine corps vet. Infantry. Take the information as you will but dont label me as a liar you basement dwelling loser with lame avatars.
hey im 23 a vet the marines too also combat vet Scout Observer ,,,,guess who cares .....no one no one fucking cares lol like that matters I know plenty of liars in the marines and if say you dont ever tell lies ever a liar is what you are ....fucking vet where were you going with that like because we are marines we are above lieing what a joke ...
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: PussyFart]
#16779314 - 09/02/12 11:22 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thats cool skuzzy. As i said not tryin to be a dick just sharing my info. Maybe I should post beta.. Or experimental. I thought that was the basic idea of this forum.. Maybe my teks garbage... But it grows hella mushies. Anyway later argue with u 2 morrow.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16779339 - 09/02/12 11:26 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah i can agree with that experimental was prob the best ,,,,,the im a vet post irked me bro just know when ever you say that you look like a tool thinking you have higher character ,,,,,dont belive me i can prove it im a vet .....desant work. nd i cant argue tomorrow ill be in france ,
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16779365 - 09/02/12 11:31 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Scout observer wtf is that? U mean recon? Also i was just stating somethin about my life. Anyone can lie just stating I don't. POG. Anyway this post should just die its getting old explaining basic procedures over and over. Blah blah blah.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: PussyFart]
#16779373 - 09/02/12 11:33 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: I should leave u a bad rating just for being an ass, but im better than that.

Excuse me, I just wanted to add this thread.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16779386 - 09/02/12 11:36 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol pog yes scout 0861 dood POG ???? lol first off I get attached to grunt units and RECON because of the unique skill set i get to have ,,,,in my combat mos lol second i bet i got more combat time than you do ,,,,,,,Scout Observer you dont know what that is makes me wounder if you are a grunt and if you are you have not been to combat or you would know what a scout is ..TOOL we go out in small teams and FORWARD OBSERVER way before your vagina ass gets to the line lol
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: PussyFart]
#16779407 - 09/02/12 11:42 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Skuzzy you can cry POG all night long. 0311 bitch. Was a harder Marine. Grow better shrooms. Hell I made hooch in Iraq that got us drunk. The guy I made it with...dead now... Land mine in Afghan. So Oorah bitch.
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STFU BOTH OF U....SUCK EACH OTHERS COCKS AND MAKE UP BEFORE I KICK BOTH UR ASSES
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16779442 - 09/02/12 11:52 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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harder how grow better shrooms????? where they at oven tek check it
i am a superior grower ..              you aint a marine lol what your tuff for fermenting alcohol ??? lol and cause your buddy died lol dood your sad what about you is harder exactly ?? nothing i guss you would have time to do that being on base all the time ...
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: PussyFart]
#16779443 - 09/02/12 11:53 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lol agreed. Let this post die. Ill repost fruiting pics plus polished tek in future.
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your right guys damn got sucked down to that retarded level ....
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: PussyFart]
#16779458 - 09/02/12 11:57 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're cute skuzzy. Like the baracks rat that got tossed around.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16779462 - 09/02/12 11:58 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I win
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
#16780261 - 09/03/12 07:01 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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skuzzy1232 said: your right guys damn got sucked down to that retarded level ....
lol Yes you did it was funny though because this dude can't take a hint. The the whole "Take my word for it I'm a marine" thing pissed me off too.
I'm no marine but I know marines don't act like you do man.
Chill and except the fact that you copied a tek that's outdated and proven ineffective. Get over it, accept your butt hurt and learn to just lysol and wipe down your counter before you do your innocualtions. It's more effective then what you are doing and the fact that your getting mad, just shows your level of retardation for defending this tek.
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Hellyen, no one cares if you're "just sharing info" you are not entitled to "your opinion" this doesn't work like that. It works on proven methods everyone has tried and had massive success on.
Glove boxs Flow Hoods Self Healing Injection Ports Turbinado LC (cause it's a fuckton better than honey) AGAR (for the pros)
I've got a small room, I slap an air ionizer in there for hours, wipe down every surface, spray 10% peroxide/water into the air, and spray 1/5th bleach water mix, with a cap of vinegar in it because it makes chlorine gas, which killed the JEWS! And it kills bacteria in seconds, it also eats at the plastic spray bottle. WHO only breaks it out for anthrax or tuberculosis outbreaks, because it's the only crap that will kill the spores.
I piss all over your sterile technique, and your advice. How's that sound?
If you want to fail, use this guys technique. That's why he's so hostile, he knows it's shit.
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Sorry Anthrax spores, and TB mycobacterium. Happy now?
Point is, bleach water with vinegar is the most effective sterilizer at the lowest price, if you don't know about it you're already lowering your chances of success.
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ZappityZap said: Point is, bleach water with vinegar is the most effective sterilizer at the lowest price, if you don't know about it you're already lowering your chances of success.
I dont think it STERILIZES, I think it SANITIZES...If im right thats a big difference.
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Okay Zap. Its about low tek not low cost. And do whatever you paranoid freak. How many TB outbreaks u know of from mushroom cultivating. Anyway not argueing this anymore. Must not feed trolls.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
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Hellyen said: Okay Zap. Its about low tek not low cost. And do whatever you paranoid freak. How many TB outbreaks u know of from mushroom cultivating. Anyway not argueing this anymore. Must not feed trolls.
said the trollito
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: PussyFart]
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: PussyFart]
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ZappityZap said: Point is, bleach water with vinegar is the most effective sterilizer at the lowest price, if you don't know about it you're already lowering your chances of success.
I dont think it STERILIZES, I think it SANITIZES...If im right thats a big difference.
Luckily you're wrong. Bleach sanitizes, but much slower than bleach and vinegar.
Hellyens too dumb to talk to, he'll fail anyway with that attitude, no further input needed from my end.
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Notahacker420 said:
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ZappityZap said: Point is, bleach water with vinegar is the most effective sterilizer at the lowest price, if you don't know about it you're already lowering your chances of success.
I dont think it STERILIZES, I think it SANITIZES...If im right thats a big difference.
Luckily you're wrong. Bleach sanitizes, but much slower than bleach and vinegar.
Hellyens too dumb to talk to, he'll fail anyway with that attitude, no further input needed from my end.
Sterilization is the killing of all microbes, sanitation is the destruction of pathogenic bacteria and non-enveloped virus(naked viruses). there is a big difference mr 31 posts.
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ZappityZap said: Point is, bleach water with vinegar is the most effective sterilizer at the lowest price, if you don't know about it you're already lowering your chances of success.
I dont think it STERILIZES, I think it SANITIZES...If im right thats a big difference.
Luckily you're wrong. Bleach sanitizes, but much slower than bleach and vinegar.
Hellyens too dumb to talk to, he'll fail anyway with that attitude, no further input needed from my end.
Sterilization is the killing of all microbes, sanitation is the destruction of pathogenic bacteria and non-enveloped virus(naked viruses). there is a big difference mr 31 posts.
1. I am very aware of the differences between sterilization, and sanitation. Again it sterilizes. Nothing can survive the chlorine gas bleach and vinegar creates. If by chance it does, there is bleach. Which is also a sterilizer.
2. This is a new account I made, resetting my post count. Post count doesn't mean a damn thing, good advice does. Which this post is severely lacking.
Good advice Sterilizing your needle with fire Glove box Bleach, water, and vinegar spray Jars for your LC's with self healing ports
Bad advice Oven tek Open air injection Not sterilizing your needle using a god damn plastic bottle for your lc's
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ZappityZap said: 1. I am very aware of the differences between sterilization, and sanitation. Again it sterilizes. Nothing can survive the chlorine gas bleach and vinegar creates. If by chance it does, there is bleach. Which is also a sterilizer.
I suggest u read this
http://water.epa.gov/drink/emerprep/emergencydisinfection.cfm
and then this
http://chemistry.about.com/b/2007/09/26/the-killing-power-of-bleach-and-vinegar.htm
and report back
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: PussyFart]
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Notahacker420 said:
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ZappityZap said: 1. I am very aware of the differences between sterilization, and sanitation. Again it sterilizes. Nothing can survive the chlorine gas bleach and vinegar creates. If by chance it does, there is bleach. Which is also a sterilizer.
I suggest u read this
http://water.epa.gov/drink/emerprep/emergencydisinfection.cfm
and then this
http://chemistry.about.com/b/2007/09/26/the-killing-power-of-bleach-and-vinegar.htm
and report back 
What of it? The first says exactly what I said, it makes chlorine gas. Done thank you.
The second is about adding bleach to DRINKING WATER. I doubt you'll make your DRINKING WATER, 1/5th bleach.
I suggest you learn to read, and report back.
Actually don't bother, just read this to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine#Health_effects
Hugs the ground, murders everything, highly corrosive. Sounds perfect for my glovebox.
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Notahacker420 said:
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ZappityZap said: 1. I am very aware of the differences between sterilization, and sanitation. Again it sterilizes. Nothing can survive the chlorine gas bleach and vinegar creates. If by chance it does, there is bleach. Which is also a sterilizer.
I suggest u read this
http://water.epa.gov/drink/emerprep/emergencydisinfection.cfm
and then this
http://chemistry.about.com/b/2007/09/26/the-killing-power-of-bleach-and-vinegar.htm
and report back 
What of it? The first says exactly what I said, it makes chlorine gas. Done thank you.
The second is about adding bleach to DRINKING WATER. I doubt you'll make your DRINKING WATER, 1/5th bleach.
I suggest you learn to read, and report back.
Actually don't bother, just read this to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine#Health_effects
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""If you can't boil water, you can disinfect it using household bleach. Bleach will kill some, but not all, types of disease-causing organisms that may be in the water. ""
And bleach mixed with vineger creates fumes that kill everything, this is correct, it could even kill u....keep using it...
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: PussyFart]
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And if bottle cap is just slightly unscrewed you will see how minimal air is introduced in this LC.
The amount of air isn't as important as what's in the air and how it is filtered. What do you think the micron rating on a loose cap is?
how in the world am i just now seeing this post?
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ZappityZap said: chlorine gas, which killed the JEWS!
Actually, I'm pretty sure that chlorine gas was more of a WWI, trench warfare type of gas.
For the most part, I believe the Nazis used diesel "gas vans", and later Zyklon gas, a nerve agent, for Jew extermination purposes.
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You could easily use a water bottle for your LC's.. Just cut a hole in the cap and screw it down over some tyvek. Pretty simple. Using strictly the cap would probably have contams, but to each his own.
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And you will PC/steam that? Is it a PP5 plastic bottle?
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I'm not saying I do this, as I use half pint jars. Just saying it's possible to do, and with PP plastic you can PC for 90 mins no problem. So, It can be done. Just the way he suggests is much more likely to contam than say, a procedure done by cutting a dime sized hole in the lid, screwing it down over a layer of tyvek, placing foil over the lid, pcing the bottle/water for 90 minutes, and then inoculating in a glove box or in front of a flow hood and placing another layer of tyvek or some micropore tape over the inoculation hole.
Fact of the matter is, if he is having great success with his tek then his living area is sufficiently clean enough that he can basically inoculate in free flowing air. which does work for some people, but for most people it will not. Especially new growers. It's tradition here at shroomery to see someone posting something that you don't think would work for you and forming an angry mob to make him feel bad for even attempting to show people how they do something. The people who come on here and bash others then say that something couldn't ever work and that they are lying ... well they simply make me laugh. Why would a person waste time lying to a group of people they will never meet? I certainly wouldn't.
Not knocking him for trying to help people at all. Just make sure you let everyone know that it might not work for people with less sanitized houses or procedure areas.
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No way could you PC the plastic bottle I used. Also I realize my sterelization methods are wrong. I am a victim of outdated information. I can admit when I'm wrong. But since I've done it three times successfully... I had no way of knowing. I'll do my research and plan on reposting tek with proper sterilization methods. I know it can be done (since i've done it), but need to improve methods. Edit: Thanks JostVan for the so rare enouragement or giving advice and not just dismissing it. But If its not clear in post I didn't PC my LC in anyway. Flimsy plastic would surely melt. Only thing I PC'ed was jars and syringe.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
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You'll need a PP plastic bottle or container to withstand pressure cooking temperatures. If you're going to go through all that you might as well just pay the extra 3-4$ to get a case of half pint jars (or bigger) and use those for your LC.
The process is very simple. You have it down, other than the fact that you were using the oven instead of a glove box that you can build for 10$ or so and not pressure cooking.
If you do however find a PP bottle, just do like I said in the above post.
 Above is an example of one.PP--5 When you see a bottle with a number five stamped on the bottom, then you'll know that it's a PP bottle, made of polypropylene. Polypropylene has a very high melting point, which is why it is traditionally used for items that need to be heated or have hot liquids poured into it, like coffee. It is also good for small tubs that need to be heated.
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Re: Water bottle LC [Re: Hellyen]
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Why not just blend your well consolidated spawn with distilled water and use that as inoculant? You could scale it as largely as you wanted but a blenderful would be plenty for whatever you're using your water bottle for.
Edit: I've never blended grains this way. I use sawdust or agar for myc water, RGS should work too.
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lol how did this thread make it to 6 pages? Half my post count came from discussing this guy's sterile technique.
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I don't know how the hell it's not dead either.. Stop posting in it! Every morning i wake up its usually on front page. Facepalm. So do me favor and stop, or admin lock thread plz.
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