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Galorian
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First time bulk. Gimme some good vibes (updated-pics)
#16753875 - 08/29/12 12:02 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have had much success with the PF tek and have decided to venture into bulk. I'm working with Quart jars of WBS, B+, PE and GT strains. Also plan on getting some jars of PESH and ecuadors going in the next week or 2. This post is for both "good vibes" and some feedback of course.
I nocd up the PE first exactly 4 days ago. Just checked them out and all have clear signs of growth. I am using MS syringes by the way. I was surprised to see such clear growth so fast with MS, but not complaining of course. The B+ and GT were nocd up not even 2 days ago, so I will wait a couple more before checking for growth. For my IC I am using a sterilite tote "not clear" and the temps are staying at a steady 80 F. Which brings on my first question... Should I bump the temp up a few degrees? Or is a steady 80 just as viable?
Once colonized I plan on spawning to hoo/coir uncased. I have read cased doesn't matter so much with bulk. As a first timer, would you experienced growers recommend me using the poo? It seems poo gives much better yields over just straight coir. Also, should I toss in some gypsum or anything else? Does it serve for better results? I will be using 18 gallon tubs and plan on using 5 quarts of spawn per tub. Haven't figured out my ratio just yet but would love feedback. All feedback is welcome!
I will prob keep this post going as a grow log. There will I'm sure be questions and stuff a long the way. Big thanks to all of you for the inspiration and knowledge.
Updated with some pics of the PE colonizing growth. This is a mere 10 days. Just did the first shake today. The GTs which are only 8 days old are just as colonized too! Shook before snapping pics.
  
Edited by Galorian (09/03/12 11:53 AM)
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Re: First time bulk. Gimme some good vibes [Re: Galorian]
#16753915 - 08/29/12 12:08 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would keep temperatures around 72-78. Warmer temperatures do boost growth rate, but usually at the cost of hollow/light fruits.
If your spawning grains try THIS. If you use Manure, be sure to properly pasteurize it.
Also there is a Great Bulk Sub Calculator in my signature.
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Galorian
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Re: First time bulk. Gimme some good vibes [Re: DynGBreeD]
#16754351 - 08/29/12 01:36 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the feedback. I'm definitely going to use the spawn calculator once I'm on my PC. Won't work on my iPad. I am also definitely going to properly pasteurize my poo. Perfection is my goal and I'm in no hurry. I have read the elementary coir tek several times and have buckets ready to rock. I have Eco earth coir bought from pet smart left over from pf trays but am getting more soon.
I know it's basically up to the mycelium itself and proper conditions, but on average how long does wbs take to colonize and is a 20 or 50% shake best?
Thanks again for the feedback.
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Re: First time bulk. Gimme some good vibes [Re: Galorian]
#16754498 - 08/29/12 02:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Curious on ratios. Would a 1:4 ratio being (50%coir, 40%poo, 10%gyp) be smart? Should I add or subtract anything? This would give me a 4 inch depth in my 18 gallon tubs. I would like whatever would bring nice fruits and yields of course.
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Re: First time bulk. Gimme some good vibes [Re: Galorian]
#16755260 - 08/29/12 04:21 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I usually get 100% colonization in Grain jars in 4-6 weeks. I find it best to shake IMO about 30-35%.
As for your ratio's I wouldn't be the one to ask. I usually just eyeball the Gypsum (if i use it). Don't really calculate anything but the actual Substrates.
Also keep in mind 1:4 ratio will take a little longer to fully colonize once your Grains are Spawned to the Bulk Substrate.
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Galorian
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Re: First time bulk. Gimme some good vibes [Re: Galorian]
#16769449 - 09/01/12 02:17 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Checked th jars again today. I can't believe the growth of the PE. I have read so much about the slow colonization of PE, yet mine are exploding. One is a good 15 to 20% already. The B+ seem to be rather slow but the GTs are also going fast and I can already see they will have nice rhizo to them.
I bought a cheap greenhouse. Wondering if I should just put my jars out in the open like I see a lot of people doin.
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Re: First time bulk. Gimme some good vibes [Re: Galorian]
#16769908 - 09/01/12 05:48 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Galorian said:
I bought a cheap greenhouse. Wondering if I should just put my jars out in the open like I see a lot of people doin.
Yes, leave them out in the open. I'm actually a fan of the greenhouse ( I run a small 3-tiered one for small trays and minimono cakes that side pin too hard) putting your jars in the GH is gonna keep them warmer than they'd like, IMo. Good luck though brother!
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Re: First time bulk. Gimme some good vibes [Re: reinfect]
#16770554 - 09/01/12 10:36 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yea, I was just gonna throw them on the shelves of the GH. Not even throwing tarp over yet, so it won't be hot in there or anything.
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Re: First time bulk. Gimme some good vibes [Re: Galorian]
#16770603 - 09/01/12 10:47 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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1:4 ratio seems a bit ballsy for your first time. It could certainly work, assuming everything else is in place. I think my first was around 1:1. I was far more concerned with getting fruits than expanding my spawn at that point.
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Re: First time bulk. Gimme some good vibes [Re: Thadeous]
#16770759 - 09/01/12 11:21 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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1:1 is mainly just to colonize faster correct? I'm not too worried about contams, I keep a very clean environment and a stock of neutra air. Clean daily and thoroughly. However. There is a smoker in my home. Can smoke be a big problem?
Thanks for the vibes bro. I was playing blues riffs on my Les Paul to my jars today, I think they liked it haha.
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Re: First time bulk. Gimme some good vibes [Re: Galorian]
#16770770 - 09/01/12 11:24 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was playing blues riffs on my Les Paul to my jars today, I think they liked it haha.
Ha haa! I have done the same, with similar hopes!
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Re: First time bulk. Gimme some good vibes [Re: GrimTroll]
#16770799 - 09/01/12 11:32 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'll keep experimenting with different genres until I find their fav. I hope it's Metal lol.
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Re: First time bulk. Gimme some good vibes [Re: Galorian]
#16771154 - 09/01/12 01:03 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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1:1 is to colonize faster, which means less chance for contaminates to take hold. Coir is pretty contaminate resistant, but hpoo, from my understanding, is more prone. My place has wood floors and I keep it pretty clean too, especially the GH and room containing the mushrooms, but contamination can and does happen.
I don't mean to sound too paranoid or anything, if it feels good to you, go for it!
I don't think the smoke should be a problem, just don't exhale all over the mushrooms.
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Re: First time bulk. Gimme some good vibes [Re: Galorian]
#16771194 - 09/01/12 01:13 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Definitely on the . Just be sure you get the time/temp. right for pasteurization.
I usually go with 1:2 or 1:3 unless spawn colonizes faster than expected in my rotations, and then I go with 1:1.
I don't think anyone replied with respect to your casing inquiry... It's not needed for cubes, but some prefer it. It's a personal choice, really. If you get into Pans, though, you'll want to know how to case.
There's some links in my sig that you may find helpful.
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Galorian
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Re: First time bulk. Gimme some good vibes [Re: Primal Call]
#16773478 - 09/01/12 09:03 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the comments and feedback fellas. I think I am going to experiment with a few ratios. I'll have 3 tubs roughly so I'm thinking of doing 1:1 - 1:2 and 1:3 to see what I like the most. I'll prob make one of them just straight coir with some verm and gyp and use poo on the other 2. I hear poo gives much better yields. I will,definitely make sure to pasteurize it at the right temps and everything. It's funny you mentioned pans, they are my next venture. Thanks again fellas and wish me luck. My PE jars are exploding with growth.
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Galorian
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Re: First time bulk. Gimme some good vibes [Re: Galorian]
#16778495 - 09/02/12 08:19 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Checked on the jars again today. A few are just about ready to be shaken. The PE and GTs are so fast! My B+ are still laggin behind but have some growth to them. Gonna prepare my wbs tomorrow or the the next day so I can inoculate some eqs and pesh. Ill have some pics up soon.
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Galorian
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Re: First time bulk. Gimme some good vibes (updated-pics) [Re: Galorian]
#16804694 - 09/07/12 12:05 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well... The PE is no joke when colonizing! Today is day 14 since inoculation and they all hit 100% yesterday. 1 jar has a small area not as colonized, so I'll probably use that one for a G2G once it's done. I plan on allowing 4 days to consolidate and then to the tub they go
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