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OfflineBetMomIsProud
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Re: i now understand why we have a no flaming rule. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1679952 - 07/02/03 09:47 AM (17 years, 13 days ago)

luvdemshrooms is right, it is unrealistic to think that you can get through life without dealing with complete assholes.  Just accept the fact that they are out there, they will screw up anything that is good and respectable, and they will get a kick out of it.  Move on with your life after that and forget they exist.  It's easy.  If someone wants to log on and throw flaming insults about to make themselves feel cool, it's alright.  In 100 years they won't matter to anyone anyways.  :smile:


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Re: i now understand why we have a no flaming rule. [Re: BetMomIsProud]
    #1680044 - 07/02/03 10:34 AM (17 years, 13 days ago)

100 years? Hell, I'd be forgotten in a week.

It'd be..... whatever happened to that major asshole, what's his name, you know..... nipples?


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Re: i now understand why we have a no flaming rule. [Re: Anonymous] * 2
    #26393643 - 12/21/19 07:52 AM (6 months, 16 days ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1676739#1676739
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Anonymous said, (exactly 6015 days ago) :
seriously people, it's getting ridiculous in here...



Wow, people even flamed in the olden days. :grin:
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Re: i now understand why we have a no flaming rule. [Re: vinsue] * 3
    #26394146 - 12/21/19 02:48 PM (6 months, 16 days ago)

When the Shroomery was down recently I resorted to lurking at the Mycotopia site. I found all the niceness and politeness and civility there to be fairly repulsive.

On the one hand I do try to make educational points. But I also get great amusement and challenge out of figuring out ways to phrase comments to insult people and remain just inside the rules enough to not get banned. If this place goes completely civil I will lose interest. I used to post a lot in the sports forum but the combative people are gone and it isn't much fun anymore. There has to be an Axis and Allies atmosphere to keep things interesting.


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Re: i now understand why we have a no flaming rule. [Re: vinsue] * 2
    #26394263 - 12/21/19 03:58 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

What necromancy is this?

No flaming is a good thing, I understand snarky banter is a good thing as well...it can promote conversation. Attacking the argument and not going full blown ad hominem is more kosher. I dont think I have ever flamed anyone here.


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Re: i now understand why we have a no flaming rule. [Re: Brian Jones] * 3
    #26394421 - 12/21/19 05:41 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

I was against trying to ban qman or getting him to bend to fit the rules. I'm glad some of the rightwingers are gone because they were dense and overly simplistic. Arguing with someone who can construct an argument is more challenging than just insulting the low ability crowd or agreeing with the people I already agree with.


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Re: i now understand why we have a no flaming rule. [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26394617 - 12/21/19 08:31 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

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Brian Jones said:
I was against trying to ban qman or getting him to bend to fit the rules. I'm glad some of the rightwingers are gone because they were dense and overly simplistic. Arguing with someone who can construct an argument is more challenging than just insulting the low ability crowd or agreeing with the people I already agree with.




I'm not sure if you were aware, but about a month ago I received a permanent ban with no warning or reason other than not embracing the community standards.

In other words, in another forum I was pointing out some of the double standards and hypocrisy of the PC movement and it pissed off the mod in that forum. At that point, he justified permanently banning me with XUL and that's exactly what he did.

That's what good behavior got me, I never flamed and have been flamed a hundred of times over, but still I was the bad guy.


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Re: i now understand why we have a no flaming rule. [Re: qman]
    #26394641 - 12/21/19 09:01 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

Qman, I have read your posts for quite sometime.....there have been alot of posts I question (the intent). Sure likewise for you.

If what you suggest is true, have you provided evidence....so the rest of the community can see? I would be interested in seeing it. I assume you are no longer perma banned.


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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
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Re: i now understand why we have a no flaming rule. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26394655 - 12/21/19 09:12 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

Quote:

SirTripAlot said:
Qman, I have read your posts for quite sometime.....there have been alot of posts I question (the intent). Sure likewise for you.

If what you suggest is true, have you provided evidence....so the rest of the community can see? I would be interested in seeing it. I assume you are no longer perma banned.




The ban was overturned in a few hours and only one mod not associated with the ban briefly mentioned it was a "mistake" of some sorts.

It was discussed in a thread in this forum after the fact, so there's no secret about what happened.


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Re: i now understand why we have a no flaming rule. [Re: qman]
    #26394664 - 12/21/19 09:18 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

Sorry man, Out of the loop. :shrug:
I misread your post and thought it was "recent".


Edited by SirTripAlot (12/21/19 09:19 PM)


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Re: i now understand why we have a no flaming rule. [Re: qman] * 1
    #26394669 - 12/21/19 09:21 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

I learned my lesson, go with the "community standards" or hit the road. Flaming violators get warnings and small bans. Not agreeing with some sort of arbitrary community standard is a death sentence.

Again, I post what they want me to post. I don't want to upset anyone in the community in the political discussion forum. I'm a good little boy now, I got in line and did what I should have been doing in the first place.


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Re: i now understand why we have a no flaming rule. [Re: qman]
    #26394721 - 12/21/19 10:12 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

Are you in jest about being a lemming?


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Re: i now understand why we have a no flaming rule. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26394785 - 12/21/19 11:06 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

Quote:

SirTripAlot said:
Sorry man, Out of the loop. :shrug:
I misread your post and thought it was "recent".



It was only about a month and a half ago:  https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26291687#26291687


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Re: i now understand why we have a no flaming rule. [Re: qman] * 1
    #26404274 - 12/28/19 08:39 AM (6 months, 9 days ago)

Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

Brian Jones said:
I was against trying to ban qman or getting him to bend to fit the rules. I'm glad some of the rightwingers are gone because they were dense and overly simplistic. Arguing with someone who can construct an argument is more challenging than just insulting the low ability crowd or agreeing with the people I already agree with.




I'm not sure if you were aware, but about a month ago I received a permanent ban with no warning or reason other than not embracing the community standards.

In other words, in another forum I was pointing out some of the double standards and hypocrisy of the PC movement and it pissed off the mod in that forum. At that point, he justified permanently banning me with XUL and that's exactly what he did.

That's what good behavior got me, I never flamed and have been flamed a hundred of times over, but still I was the bad guy.




I was aware and I think it was wrong. I don't even think XUL should have got banned, not that I didn't think he was a goof, but banning is against the spirit of why we are all here. I don't know who told you what, but I personally hope you will continue to try to push the edge of the envelope. I guess I have less to worry about being a leftist, but I either have 10 months or 5 more years of TDS, and I have a harder and harder time trying to stay civil. The words flaming and inflamatory are different forms of the same thing. I have some sort of a psychological need to be inflamatorty once every four posts or so. Lately there has been a new crew of low postcount nitwits, and no one seems to care what I say to them.

As Neil Young said It's better to burn out than to fade away.


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Re: i now understand why we have a no flaming rule. [Re: Brian Jones] * 2
    #26404462 - 12/28/19 10:42 AM (6 months, 9 days ago)

I’ve certainly stopped paying attention to some threads because I didn’t really feel like I was getting anything out of interacting with the type of trolling Xul and Qman do... but it was my choice to get involved in that interaction in the first place, and so long as they aren’t running rampant on all the forums and threads degrading the usefulness of the forum, there’s no reason to ban them when I can just choose to focus myself elsewhere, and they can live happily doing their trolling things.

The reality is that politics is a proxy for a whole bunch of other emotional things, and so oddly being a dick is as valid a part of the meta-discussion as say wanting everything to be discussed calm and logically.


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Re: i now understand why we have a no flaming rule. [Re: StygianKnight] * 2
    #26404482 - 12/28/19 10:57 AM (6 months, 9 days ago)

Putting qman and xul on the same bag is like putting clintons on the same bag as hittler and mao.

what the fuck.


As an spanish, we had a civil war no that long ago. Followed by a dictatorship.
I just want people to be able to express their opinions.

Losing Qman being able to face your opinions with different ones and making the discussion possible should be something to cry about.


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Re: i now understand why we have a no flaming rule. [Re: StygianKnight] * 1
    #26404552 - 12/28/19 11:42 AM (6 months, 9 days ago)

Quote:

StygianKnight said:
I’ve certainly stopped paying attention to some threads because I didn’t really feel like I was getting anything out of interacting with the type of trolling Xul and Qman do... but it was my choice to get involved in that interaction in the first place, and so long as they aren’t running rampant on all the forums and threads degrading the usefulness of the forum, there’s no reason to ban them when I can just choose to focus myself elsewhere, and they can live happily doing their trolling things.

The reality is that politics is a proxy for a whole bunch of other emotional things, and so oddly being a dick is as valid a part of the meta-discussion as say wanting everything to be discussed calm and logically.




I'm not sure what type of "trolling" you think I'm engaging in on these forums, so if you have any specific examples, I'm all ears.

I'm pretty sure almost every member here has engaged in playing the devils advocate in one form or another, but that's not really trolling in my opinion.

If my memory serves me correct, yourself and Fal have had many disagreements about Trump and Russian involvement. When he asks for evidence for your claim and you come up with nothing for that claim, was that trolling? 

Or is trolling just people that you disagree with on the political spectrum?  If that's the case, you have now proven how closed minded you are when it comes to political discussion.


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Re: i now understand why we have a no flaming rule. [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #26404567 - 12/28/19 11:53 AM (6 months, 9 days ago)

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Brian Jones said:
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qman said:
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Brian Jones said:
I was against trying to ban qman or getting him to bend to fit the rules. I'm glad some of the rightwingers are gone because they were dense and overly simplistic. Arguing with someone who can construct an argument is more challenging than just insulting the low ability crowd or agreeing with the people I already agree with.




I'm not sure if you were aware, but about a month ago I received a permanent ban with no warning or reason other than not embracing the community standards.

In other words, in another forum I was pointing out some of the double standards and hypocrisy of the PC movement and it pissed off the mod in that forum. At that point, he justified permanently banning me with XUL and that's exactly what he did.

That's what good behavior got me, I never flamed and have been flamed a hundred of times over, but still I was the bad guy.




I was aware and I think it was wrong. I don't even think XUL should have got banned, not that I didn't think he was a goof, but banning is against the spirit of why we are all here. I don't know who told you what, but I personally hope you will continue to try to push the edge of the envelope. I guess I have less to worry about being a leftist, but I either have 10 months or 5 more years of TDS, and I have a harder and harder time trying to stay civil. The words flaming and inflamatory are different forms of the same thing. I have some sort of a psychological need to be inflamatorty once every four posts or so. Lately there has been a new crew of low postcount nitwits, and no one seems to care what I say to them.

As Neil Young said It's better to burn out than to fade away.




I have no issue with people breaking the rules that exist and getting a ban for violating those rules.  I don't break the rules, so it shouldn't be a problem.

The problem was a mod that didn't like me and the fact I didn't break any rules. So he just decided to give me a permanent ban without any violations of the rules and attempted to justify the ban with some arbitrary self made rule of not following the "community standards".

That type of behavior isn't acceptable in my opinion, but that's the type of people that have been given power on this site.  In my opinion, that mod should be removed from the position.

So just remember, the rules don't mean anything at this point since a mod can justify any type of ban with a arbitrary violation of the "community standards" that isn't listed in the forum rules. It would be nice to know what those "community standards" are so we could all be educated on it. Do you know why there isn't any listed "community standards"?  Because it only applies to people that disagree with a certain mod, in other words, double standards.


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Re: i now understand why we have a no flaming rule. [Re: living_failure]
    #26404570 - 12/28/19 11:55 AM (6 months, 9 days ago)

Quote:

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Putting qman and xul on the same bag is like putting clintons on the same bag as hittler and mao.

what the fuck.


As an spanish, we had a civil war no that long ago. Followed by a dictatorship.
I just want people to be able to express their opinions.

Losing Qman being able to face your opinions with different ones and making the discussion possible should be something to cry about.




Maybe he wants a  :circlejerk:  when it comes to political discussion. Anything else is "trolling" or "being a dick". :facepalm:


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Re: i now understand why we have a no flaming rule. [Re: qman]
    #26404574 - 12/28/19 11:57 AM (6 months, 9 days ago)

It’s hilarious as fuck you almost got accidentally banned for doing what you say people are unjustifiably accusing you of doing .


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