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Re: Official PNW <a href="tel:2012-2013">2012-2013</a> Fall Magic Mushroom Thread [Re: OldHag]
    #16981712 - 10/07/12 12:53 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

you ended page 11 with a bang lol


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Re: Official PNW <a href= [Re: auweia]
    #16981915 - 10/07/12 02:12 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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auweia said:
they look like p. ovoideocystidiata to me

that one you thought was an azure?..ovoids

these are all ovoids in this post. I'm pretty sure of it.I recognize that olive tint and the stems. if you want to be totally sure, you'll have to do some microscopy/ I can almost guarantee if they are not outright ovoids, they are closely related and at least in section stuntzae. not to be confused with p stuntzii as these are more potent and equal to cyans

here's a couple of examples from San Francisco last year of the type of ovoid i think you have here



the other type looks more like saucers, but they are both ovoids, or closely related at least





another way to tell is a lot of times there's a strong perfume like smell if you hold them close when wet. they don't always have an annulus either, and there's at least two types of ovoids, and it's slowly spreading in the western states

they sometimes have mottled gills too, but not always. but more than cyans would


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"Neo" scoped em quick this afternoon. He ain't seen these before, I am sure he will be along after most are asleep to elaborate. Here are a few habitat shots. mostly old specimens, some youngins, and a few pins. If they are what I/we think they, I think this might be about the end for them.

Sup tenaciousme...Its going to be the most beautiful season ever.

I am going to post some other stuff later in Neo's thread, lots of savage shit going on right now. Go outside.

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I really do not think it is a Azure. I know Azures. if Azures were pinning within 50 miles I would likely know without really having to hunt...

Sup Maynard...

Tried to get a few more decent pics. I am all fucked up though. Bout to go egg something after I get tacos. get more pics, speccimes ect 2m.

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that doesnt look like ovoids at all


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Re: Official PNW <a href= [Re: tweekingTwak]
    #16981975 - 10/07/12 02:42 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I would say P. ovoidiocystidiata, as well.


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Re: Official PNW <a href= [Re: jet li]
    #16982050 - 10/07/12 03:41 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

how many times have you found ovoids , i been picking them from 3 years now from 3 different states those dont look like ovoids to me












those are ovoids as well as these





to show two different strains

it just looks like a really close species

the one strain has purple brown spores while the other has straight up brown chocolate ones too

any who the colour just isnt right for voids IMO

just to add in all cases the pins are black



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Re: Official PNW <a href= [Re: tweekingTwak]
    #16982058 - 10/07/12 03:46 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

We know the ones from opossum are not oviods...
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Re: Official PNW <a href= [Re: Joust]
    #16982067 - 10/07/12 03:51 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

yeah i was talking about auweia i purposely chose pictures that weren't super green to show what they look like when they arnt green

tho maybe it really just is the that the strains vary that much


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Re: Official PNW <a href= [Re: tweekingTwak]
    #16982241 - 10/07/12 05:47 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

well the ones I added from my own archive are all ID as ovoids, by microscopy

but those are california ovoids and in fact it took the MSSF two years to even get samples from Ohio to compare it with, and some of them don't match exactly with ohio, but they still considered ovoids because nothing else has been found that's closer, and until somebody does a paper making a new species

that's all I know. california ovoids. it's probably different in other states

I should also add that Jochen gartz was sent one single sample, the last one he could ever do in germany of the California ovoids and he said it could be a new species. But as I understand it, he wasn't too familiar with ovoids either, since ovoids itself is a new species

It probably does vary that much at least for the time being until mycologists start naming new species. it could also just still be ovoids with a wide variety of shapes too

that part of it is out of my hands since i don't do microscopy. But i don't have any problem ID anything I pick in SF as being ovoid-related-good-and-potent and i don't think Opposuum does either. You might debate the fine points of microscopy, but for me that's not needed to know they are good. BTW, I've been picking those here in California since 2006



I tested those on myself in 2006 without any ID at all, never having seen them before and 2 years before the MSSF could ID them as ovoids. But that's only because I have lots of prior experience with actives and was 99% sure this was an active of some kind

Here's one example. In 2006 these were tentaviely ID as a japanese species, p subaeruginascens. Two years later the MSSF first starting questioning that. That is one of the early debate threads here

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7899979/fpart/1/vc/1

at that time there was nothing else to compare it with. If I remember right it took a whole year to get a sample of the only known p subaeruginascens herbarium specimen from Chicago

As far as I'm concerned this is all new for the western states including Washington. It's recent and still developing and probably will be for some years. And it will probably take some years before we really get a handle on it. Until then, unless you know for sure it's good-active and not poisonous, you are going to need microscopy to ID it

also, and this could be very important. Ohio has a very different environment and weather patterns than the West Coast. california is almost opposite of Ohio in that we have dry summers and wet winters, where Ohio has wet summers and freezing winters. It's also not the same type of wood substrate either. These ovoids seem to have difficulty adapting to California. Maybe Washington is a little closer, but on the west coast, ovoids aren't common like cyans are, but they are slowly spreading

I imagine that's part of the reason why they seem different out here. maybe part of it is the different environment--it's just trying to find it's niche, adapting

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yeah i was talking about auweia i purposely chose pictures that weren't super green to show what they look like when they arnt green

tho maybe it really just is the that the strains vary that much




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Re: Official PNW <a href= [Re: auweia]
    #16982273 - 10/07/12 06:04 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

well are the pins usually black and the as it matures it turns pale , then tan then green?


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Re: Official PNW <a href= [Re: tweekingTwak]
    #16982290 - 10/07/12 06:09 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

yep, at least here in California all the ovoid pins start at as black pins, then turn chestnut brown after a few days, and then a bit of a greenish tint when wet/mature. They also get very white when drying in the sun. more creamy white than cyans

it's a much wider color variation than you see with cyanescens. here's an example from California



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well are the pins usually black and the as it matures it turns pale , then tan then green?




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Re: Official PNW <a href= [Re: auweia]
    #16983676 - 10/07/12 12:10 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Hey everyone!

So my father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate saved some P. cyanescens mycelium-enriched wood chips from last year.  They were minimally maintained for the most part outside, just enough to keep them from freezing/drowning/drying out.  Then about a week ago, pins were noted.  They have been in a shaded location that gets less than an hour of morning sun.  General area is south Puget Sound at 394ft elevation.

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Re: Official PNW <a href= [Re: Ganymede]
    #16983697 - 10/07/12 12:14 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Hey everyone!

So my father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate saved some P. cyanescens mycelium-enriched wood chips from last year.  They were minimally maintained for the most part outside, just enough to keep them from freezing/drowning/drying out.  Then about a week ago, pins were noted.  They have been in a shaded location that gets less than an hour of morning sun.  General area is south Puget Sound at 394ft elevation.






damn dude im still waiting fir the rain nut thats awesome!  :laugh:


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Re: Official PNW <a href= [Re: Specops2594]
    #16983790 - 10/07/12 12:29 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

yeah its cray how minimal work can make these things survive






it fruited but the fruits got eaten by slugs which had to get meticulously removed from the box


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Re: Official PNW <a href= [Re: tweekingTwak]
    #16985012 - 10/07/12 03:48 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

ONO!

Dern slugs, have you tried a beer trap? Just a shallow container with some beer in it, they go straight for it ignoring the mycelium/fruits and drown in the beer. I love nature and all...but I worked a little too hard to watch my beds get eaten by things that aren't me lol


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Re: Official PNW <a href= [Re: PNW FunGuy]
    #16985366 - 10/07/12 04:37 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

i wasnt tryin to make it fruit or really do much with it but hold on to it for a few days til i could pass it to someone, i didnt know slugs would attack, i didnt do much research just threw it in a box to so if it would actually work and it worked extremely well


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Re: Official PNW <a href= [Re: tweekingTwak]
    #16985380 - 10/07/12 04:39 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

What are you all doing in the Washington State area with all this dry dry dry weather?


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    #16988018 - 10/07/12 11:45 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Just trying to be patient. It always works out in the end.


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Re: Official PNW <a href= [Re: wood_stones]
    #16988833 - 10/08/12 05:11 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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What are you all doing in the Washington State area with all this dry dry dry weather?




Rain dancing, three times daily.


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    #16990496 - 10/08/12 12:11 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Searching deeply for those rare unique spots with sufficient shade and sprinklers and woodmulch/grass/woodchips in that sprinkled unique shade. Until i find either some pan subbs, stuntziis or some baeos or hopefully some hardwoodchip varieties if I'm lucky.

In the meantime :blowmybrainsout: shit if i was in seattle right now, or even the coast in my area, id probly be findin some thangs


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Re: Official PNW <a href= [Re: OregonChronic]
    #16991307 - 10/08/12 02:11 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Hello Shroomery!!!
Long time reader, first time posting.
I read this thread from start to finish on friday and decided I had to start looking this year despite the weather. While I was taking a buddy of mine to run an errand, I decided to hop out of the car and check the companies grass, and lo and behold I stumbled on a patch of baeo's!! Thank you sprinklers.


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    #16991319 - 10/08/12 02:12 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

The rain is coming!!! this friday is the start of the showers.

I'm getting my hiking shoes on.


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