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Re: Official PNW 2012-2013 Fall Magic Mushroom Thread [Re: OregonChronic] 1
#16764614 - 08/31/12 08:45 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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yay, it's another year!..wow looking at Google earth this morning and much of the PNW is high 40's
that's about right, and I'd do a few hunts pretty soon if I lived up there
anyway, nice start and here's to a good season for the PNW
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Re: Official PNW 2012-2013 Fall Magic Mushroom Thread [Re: NeoSporen]
#16769927 - 09/01/12 06:02 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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indeed, bfogg, I totally missed that other PNW thread.
since it's ovoids, I wouldn't quite call it normal like the stuntzii's in this thread. But it does look like ovoids are steadily on the increase in the PNW and are doing much better than California, probably because of the wider temp range up there and a bit more wet in summer
p ovoideocystidiata is relatively new on the west coast with first find in california in 2004. There's probably 2 or 3 sub species with their own characteristics and habits and only time will tell.
Maybe another 10 years down the road and mid summer time finds will become the new normal, who knows?
That's the one thing about ovoids on the west coast. They don't quite follow the traditional west coast seasonal fungi pattern
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Re: Official PNW 2012-2013 Fall Magic Mushroom Thread [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#16771796 - 09/01/12 03:40 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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well, San Francisco is sort of on the edge of the PNW, and south of here is more Mediterranean and north along the Redwood Coast it's a rainforest. That's why we have our own thread. Ovoid's have been seen in the bay Area every year since 2004, and it's also springtime here, but also sometimes in january and a sub species fruits in fall. And sometimes even the spring time ovoids fruits in fall. It's just more random in California. We'll get odd weather patterns that brings out more ovoids in the winter, but summer is usually bone dry, in fact our fire season is just getting started here BTW, Stuntzii is pretty rare in the Bay Area, but I've seen it before. My guess is that bay Area ovoids is less than 1% compared to the cyan/friscoa complex then again, we have a lot more friscosa here than washington, so yes it's not the PNW..Far enough away and 5-10 degrees warmer, and a month behind, but we also don't get snow here either so it lasts beyond December tough to say if ovoids really like the PNW better or there's just more people looking or what. But also look at the native habitat which is Ohio, and they have regular snow and hot summers, so the PNW would be a little closer to that than Cali
could have something to do with it. One theory at least has it that ovoids go for a long range pattern with a seasonal snow, then a warm spring wet summer, type thing
edit : I forgot to mention that a sub species, or related type of ovoids have been found in southern california near Los Angeles, which is about the only active found down there in formerly desert habitat. just bizarre
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9175403/fpart/1/vc/1
that type also occurs in the San Francisco bay Area and mostly fruits in fall here. I don't know if it ever officially got a new name, but it's been checked by Alan Rockefeller and if it isn't a new species, it's pretty close to the conical ovoids we've been seeing in the PNW
We might be able to trace dna, and species and name it and ID, but it doesn't really tell us much about the habit and the behavior of this odd species complex
That'll probably take a few years yet
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Re: Official PNW 2012-2013 Fall Magic Mushroom Thread [Re: MoJoBro]
#16841079 - 09/13/12 01:19 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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that's great. For me i can see for the first time obvious difference with 'friscosa' and ovoids even in the pin stage
true cyanofobrillosa is indeed different. I do not think we have seen those in the Bay Area yet
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they look like p. ovoideocystidiata to me
that one you thought was an azure?..ovoids
these are all ovoids in this post. I'm pretty sure of it.I recognize that olive tint and the stems. if you want to be totally sure, you'll have to do some microscopy/ I can almost guarantee if they are not outright ovoids, they are closely related and at least in section stuntzae. not to be confused with p stuntzii as these are more potent and equal to cyans
here's a couple of examples from San Francisco last year of the type of ovoid i think you have here
        
the other type looks more like saucers, but they are both ovoids, or closely related at least
  
another way to tell is a lot of times there's a strong perfume like smell if you hold them close when wet. they don't always have an annulus either, and there's at least two types of ovoids, and it's slowly spreading in the western states
they sometimes have mottled gills too, but not always. but more than cyans would
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EarthquakeOpossum said: "Neo" scoped em quick this afternoon. He ain't seen these before, I am sure he will be along after most are asleep to elaborate. Here are a few habitat shots. mostly old specimens, some youngins, and a few pins. If they are what I/we think they, I think this might be about the end for them.
Sup tenaciousme...Its going to be the most beautiful season ever.
I am going to post some other stuff later in Neo's thread, lots of savage shit going on right now. Go outside.
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EarthquakeOpossum said: I really do not think it is a Azure. I know Azures. if Azures were pinning within 50 miles I would likely know without really having to hunt...
Sup Maynard...
Tried to get a few more decent pics. I am all fucked up though. Bout to go egg something after I get tacos. get more pics, speccimes ect 2m.
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Re: Official PNW <a href="tel:2012-2013">2012-2013</a> Fall Magic Mushroom Thread [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#16954181 - 10/02/12 07:08 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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actually, they could be p cyanofibrillosa. We're not familiar with cyanofibrillosa down here in the Bay Area, so you'll have to get some Washington input for that. I don;t think tho, because somebody posted some photos of cyanofibs in this thread and those didn't look like anything down here in SF I've seen before
they look like ovoids to me tho, especially with that greenish tint in the one that looked a little like an azure. I remember some of the first discoveries here in SF in 2006 and everyone was calling them azures. ovoids were nearly unknown here at the time. in fact the SF mycological society first ID them as p subaeruginascens from japan. But that was because it was the only thing that came close under microscopy. the next year it was renamed ovoids as those collections became available for comparison
ovoids are still fairly rare in the west and need more study. it's a relatively new species anyway, i think 2005 was when it was named?..not sure, but it's pretty new. It's still sort of on the fringe in the western states. doesn't quite follow the normal seasonal patterns like cyans and the more common species, and it's native to Ohio
I forgot to mention that with ovoids, the pins are much darker than anything in the cyanescens group. they look like rabbit turds, nearly black pins. the photos posted here of cyanofibs wasn't dark at all
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Re: Official PNW <a href="tel:2012-2013">2012-2013</a> Fall Magic Mushroom Thread [Re: EarthquakeOpossum]
#16954512 - 10/02/12 07:55 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah that's possible we already have two types of ovoids and i was told one or the other could end up being a new species as more studies become available
if these aren't ovoids, I'll still bet they are in section stuntzae, but not stuntzii
gotta get some microscopy for that
but you seem to be far enough along to be able to tell that these are good and potent anyway, regardless
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well the ones I added from my own archive are all ID as ovoids, by microscopy
but those are california ovoids and in fact it took the MSSF two years to even get samples from Ohio to compare it with, and some of them don't match exactly with ohio, but they still considered ovoids because nothing else has been found that's closer, and until somebody does a paper making a new species
that's all I know. california ovoids. it's probably different in other states
I should also add that Jochen gartz was sent one single sample, the last one he could ever do in germany of the California ovoids and he said it could be a new species. But as I understand it, he wasn't too familiar with ovoids either, since ovoids itself is a new species
It probably does vary that much at least for the time being until mycologists start naming new species. it could also just still be ovoids with a wide variety of shapes too
that part of it is out of my hands since i don't do microscopy. But i don't have any problem ID anything I pick in SF as being ovoid-related-good-and-potent and i don't think Opposuum does either. You might debate the fine points of microscopy, but for me that's not needed to know they are good. BTW, I've been picking those here in California since 2006

I tested those on myself in 2006 without any ID at all, never having seen them before and 2 years before the MSSF could ID them as ovoids. But that's only because I have lots of prior experience with actives and was 99% sure this was an active of some kind
Here's one example. In 2006 these were tentaviely ID as a japanese species, p subaeruginascens. Two years later the MSSF first starting questioning that. That is one of the early debate threads here
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7899979/fpart/1/vc/1
at that time there was nothing else to compare it with. If I remember right it took a whole year to get a sample of the only known p subaeruginascens herbarium specimen from Chicago
As far as I'm concerned this is all new for the western states including Washington. It's recent and still developing and probably will be for some years. And it will probably take some years before we really get a handle on it. Until then, unless you know for sure it's good-active and not poisonous, you are going to need microscopy to ID it
also, and this could be very important. Ohio has a very different environment and weather patterns than the West Coast. california is almost opposite of Ohio in that we have dry summers and wet winters, where Ohio has wet summers and freezing winters. It's also not the same type of wood substrate either. These ovoids seem to have difficulty adapting to California. Maybe Washington is a little closer, but on the west coast, ovoids aren't common like cyans are, but they are slowly spreading
I imagine that's part of the reason why they seem different out here. maybe part of it is the different environment--it's just trying to find it's niche, adapting
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tweekingTwak said: yeah i was talking about auweia i purposely chose pictures that weren't super green to show what they look like when they arnt green
tho maybe it really just is the that the strains vary that much
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yep, at least here in California all the ovoid pins start at as black pins, then turn chestnut brown after a few days, and then a bit of a greenish tint when wet/mature. They also get very white when drying in the sun. more creamy white than cyans
it's a much wider color variation than you see with cyanescens. here's an example from California

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tweekingTwak said: well are the pins usually black and the as it matures it turns pale , then tan then green?
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Re: Official PNW 2012-2013 Fall Magic Mushroom Thread [Re: ehtdaedlufetarg]
#17167968 - 11/05/12 06:44 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah, but those aren't pins in the photos. Ovoids are usually dark at the very beginning and then get lighter after a few days....so it depends on how small you define pin i guess
Once the caps start opening they'll get lighter in color, at least that's been my experience. especially those conical ovoids. here's one example of different stages of pins, or very young ones

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PNW FunGuy said: I thought all Ovoids/Baeos had very dark, almost black pins?
Nah, not neccesarily.
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Re: Official PNW <a href="tel:2012-2013">2012-2013</a> Fall Magic Mushroom Thread [Re: nboy]
#17199921 - 11/11/12 08:18 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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just my 2 cents. I used to hunt all up and down the Oregon coast more than 20 years ago and it was like that back then too. It goes back even further actually, people coming to the coast from inland just to hunt for liberties. The cops all knew it. I specifically remember an article in the Oregonian one day, it was front page called "Felonious Fungi". This was maybe 1988 or so, with pictures of liberty caps on the front page
I've never been able to find that article in any archives, but it showed how well it was known even back then. I remember it was pretty difficult to find cow fields that were hidden enough and not being exposed to houses or the road and if you were brave enough to go out in a cow field that could be seen from the road, you had maybe 20 minutes before the cops showed up..LOL
I remember it was so bad that I had to drive 100 miles to get to one field on the coast that had one area that was hidden from the road and had a back entrance to sneak in. It was almost like, once you hop that fence, expect to set the alarms and have half of the Oregon highway patrol on their way. It was almost like they had nothing to do all day than hunt around for those goddam hippies in cow fields
memories like that makes me appreciate urban hunting in the bay Area...Much less paranoia, ironically surrounded by more people. I've always thought that was the weirdest thing. It's just so much safer hunting in the city and suburbia than out in the country
PS...if anybody can find that old Oregonian article, it would be worth it to scan it for historical reasons
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Re: Official PNW <a href="tel:2012-2013">2012-2013</a> Fall Magic Mushroom Thread [Re: thetonebone72]
#17223504 - 11/15/12 09:53 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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absolutely. I've been trying to explain that for years. Once you have the basics of ID and habitat down, the only thing left is time. It just takes a lot of time and patience and covering a lot of ground
sure people can get lucky and find some spots faster, but most people, that comes after several hundred miles of walking and hundreds of hours....er something like that
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Re: Official PNW <a href="tel:2012-2013">2012-2013</a> Fall Magic Mushroom Thread [Re: PNW FunGuy] 1
#17225479 - 11/15/12 05:44 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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warning, your computer may be infected with trippy spores. McAfee can't help you now. it's cool, mon, just sit back and relax
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Re: Official PNW 2012-2013 Fall Magic Mushroom Thread [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#17340865 - 12/05/12 08:39 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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us scopeless heathens are thankful for that
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Microscopes are never required to find out if a mushroom is edible, toxic or psychoactive. They are for finding out which species you have.
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Re: Official PNW 2012-2013 Fall Magic Mushroom Thread [Re: broke open head]
#17392471 - 12/14/12 03:55 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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am I right in thinking the PNW is going longer than last year?
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last year was bad for the Bay Area too. I just thought you had a hard freeze in early december last year, and I guess not yet this year, which is good of course. It could mean the Bay Area goes well into january too this year
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Re: Official PNW 2012-2013 Fall Magic Mushroom Thread [Re: Eugenedude]
#17490909 - 01/03/13 10:31 AM (11 years, 26 days ago) |
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i wouldn't put it past roadside buyers to try it, but if they did, that would be conspiracy/anti trust. difficult to prove in a largely cash only market...it would be difficult to do
I've heard lots of dicey stories over the years with buyers. I'm not sure if they're capable of that kind of coordination. but if they did, that would make the news allright
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