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fungusapien
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Re: How TL Makes a Mono Tub (W/ Tips for a 1 Flush Wonder Mono Using Coir) [Re: elkart]
#16705174 - 08/15/12 04:29 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for the quick reply elkart. I have a box fan in an open window, and the tub is positioned out of the direct flow of air...my main concern is that the climate where I live is super dry this time of year, talking 20-30% humidity outside most days. Polyfil is stuffed really loosely for optimum FAE, so I don't want the tub to dry out....any further advice?
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Re: How TL Makes a Mono Tub (W/ Tips for a 1 Flush Wonder Mono Using Coir) [Re: fungusapien]
#16705240 - 08/15/12 04:37 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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fungusapien said: Thanks for the quick reply elkart. I have a box fan in an open window, and the tub is positioned out of the direct flow of air...my main concern is that the climate where I live is super dry this time of year, talking 20-30% humidity outside most days. Polyfil is stuffed really loosely for optimum FAE, so I don't want the tub to dry out....any further advice?
If you see it begin to dry the least bit, fill it tighter with poly. If you have a humidifier you could place it in the grow room near the tub with a timer or something if you have the capabilities
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Re: How TL Makes a Mono Tub (W/ Tips for a 1 Flush Wonder Mono Using Coir) [Re: elkart]
#16705573 - 08/15/12 05:42 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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With a dialed in mono tub set up you can get away without misting and fanning, BUT I have always had better results when supplying extra moister through misting. Most people feel the need to look at there tubs all the time anyway you might as well mist and fan if you are there.
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Re: How TL Makes a Mono Tub (W/ Tips for a 1 Flush Wonder Mono Using Coir) [Re: CH HELL]
#16706574 - 08/15/12 09:11 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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During colonization, can this sit on a closet shelf against a wall with normal ambient light? It wouldn't be touched and never opened, holes taped, keeping c02 high. To fruit, would it then be best to move out in the open away from any wall and just fanned 2-3/day? Is room ambient light (same as when colonizing) sufficient for fruiting as well? Only changes would be loose Polyfill and fanning?
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Re: How TL Makes a Mono Tub (W/ Tips for a 1 Flush Wonder Mono Using Coir) [Re: cheesyincident]
#16706681 - 08/15/12 09:27 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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fungusapien - you should adjust the poly density accordingly, as stated above. I rarely mist for the first flush, sometimes a good fanning is in order.
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cheesyincident said: During colonization, can this sit on a closet shelf against a wall with normal ambient light? It wouldn't be touched and never opened, holes taped, keeping c02 high. To fruit, would it then be best to move out in the open away from any wall and just fanned 2-3/day? Is room ambient light (same as when colonizing) sufficient for fruiting as well? Only changes would be loose Polyfill and fanning?
During colonization, you're fine. For Fruiting, you want intense direct lighting, ambient won't provide the fruit bodies you want. Definitely fan if you don't have a fan in the room going. Always watch your mushis to see if they need a good fanning.
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Re: My One Flush Wonder Mono Tubs Using Coir Tek (Heavy With Pictures) [Re: TranscendingLife]
#16760524 - 08/30/12 03:18 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Where do I get polyfill? Is that the stuff that is used for stuffing pillows? Would I get that at a craft store? And how do I sterilize something soft and fluffy like that? I prefer to pick it up in person rather then order it online if possible.
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Re: My One Flush Wonder Mono Tubs Using Coir Tek (Heavy With Pictures) [Re: LukeSitewalker]
#16760527 - 08/30/12 03:19 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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I got mine for $1.25 for a huge bag at wal-mart. Go to any craft store though and they will have it.
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Re: My One Flush Wonder Mono Tubs Using Coir Tek (Heavy With Pictures) [Re: VaeVictum]
#16760537 - 08/30/12 03:21 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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As far as sterilizing, I just load a grain jar w/ it & toss it in the PC w/ a grain run. You really don't need to sterilize it, unless you're taking it from an old couch or pillow. If you're using it for GE during monotub colonization, I'd definitely sterilize it.
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Re: My One Flush Wonder Mono Tubs Using Coir Tek (Heavy With Pictures) [Re: TranscendingLife]
#16760634 - 08/30/12 03:45 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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I am using it for the monotub, however im not 100% sure why im stuffing the holes with poly as opposed to just leaving them open? Is it to only let fresh air through and no other contaminants? Thanks for info.
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Re: My One Flush Wonder Mono Tubs Using Coir Tek (Heavy With Pictures) [Re: LukeSitewalker]
#16760640 - 08/30/12 03:47 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's to reduce FAE & increase RH. If you left the holes open, you'd have too much FAE &, thus, your RH would suffer & be too low.
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Re: My One Flush Wonder Mono Tubs Using Coir Tek (Heavy With Pictures) [Re: TranscendingLife]
#16760652 - 08/30/12 03:48 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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O, and can you point me towards a decent Rice Cake recipe? I have a basic brown rice flour one, is that pretty much the standard? I think I may try out a tub or two of the cakes in the future, and I want to pick up supplies. And what size are those little half jars you have in a photo? Are they 1 pint or half pint? Thanks.
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Re: My One Flush Wonder Mono Tubs Using Coir Tek (Heavy With Pictures) [Re: LukeSitewalker]
#16760691 - 08/30/12 03:55 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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The standard PF tek is great. Don't change it.
Not exactly sure what jars you're referring to so, here's a pic.

The order from left to right is 1/2 pint WM fancy jar, 1/2 pint WM standard jar, pint WM & quart WM. WM=Wide Mouth.
If there's grains in them, then they're quart jars.
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Re: My One Flush Wonder Mono Tubs Using Coir Tek (Heavy With Pictures) [Re: TranscendingLife]
#16760707 - 08/30/12 03:58 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thank you, it was the half pint wide mouth standard jar. This may be a dumb question but does going with a larger jar yield larger results? Or will a half pint jar typically fruit as much as a 1 pint jar? Thanks again.
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Re: My One Flush Wonder Mono Tubs Using Coir Tek (Heavy With Pictures) [Re: LukeSitewalker]
#16760730 - 08/30/12 04:03 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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a larger cake will yield larger results. but most people stick to half pint for cakes due to colonization time.
people use quart jars for grains because mid way through colonization you can shake the jars up and distribute the myc throughout the jar which cuts colonization time by a lot
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Re: My One Flush Wonder Mono Tubs Using Coir Tek (Heavy With Pictures) [Re: serotonin storm]
#16760748 - 08/30/12 04:09 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok thanks, ill probably stick with the half pint wide mouths also, as its really just an experiment and to get the experience. Normally i would rather use 1 quart grains.
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Re: My One Flush Wonder Mono Tubs Using Coir Tek (Heavy With Pictures) [Re: TranscendingLife]
#16762224 - 08/30/12 07:58 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Two quick questions:
What is GE? I couldnt find it in the FAQ's or Glossery.
And referring back to this Coir Tek. I see some people place a trash back inside the tub before placing in the substrate and casing, but I dont see you doing that. Is this needed, and if so whats its purpose? Is it just to make cleanup easier? Is it so you can spray water between the bag and the inside of the tub, to keep RH without risking getting the fruits wet? Im confused as to the use of the plastic bag exactly? I really like your results, so im guessing its not needed, but I am curious why its even used?
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Re: My One Flush Wonder Mono Tubs Using Coir Tek (Heavy With Pictures) [Re: LukeSitewalker]
#16762335 - 08/30/12 08:15 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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GE = Gas Exchange You want GE during colonization of grains & bulk substrate. FAE = Fresh Air Exchange, which you want during fruiting.
The trash bag is used to reduce Side Pinning. I have just as many side pins when I used a trash bag vs. not using one. It does make clean up a bit easier, but it makes spawning harder.
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Re: My One Flush Wonder Mono Tubs Using Coir Tek (Heavy With Pictures) [Re: TranscendingLife]
#16762404 - 08/30/12 08:26 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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One thing I like about using trashbags is that you can use them to lift the substrate out of the tub, and then cut all your shroomies down without having to reach in there and fumble around. Makes harvesting a lot easier.
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Re: My One Flush Wonder Mono Tubs Using Coir Tek (Heavy With Pictures) [Re: TranscendingLife]
#16762777 - 08/30/12 09:10 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks again, thats why your the man!
So basically, leaving the lids slightly loose on my jars during colonization would promote GE? Or is there something more I should be doing? I do have ok colonization times, but im always looking to improve things.
Today I unplugged my fan + egg heater assembly I bought on ebay for $110, that I have installed into my fridge incubator, but left the thermostat and prob hooked up, and what do you know, it keeps 87.5F all on its lonesome. Previously the heater rarely came on, but the fan ran 24/7. But after finding another contam jar today, i didnt want the fan inside to possibly blow around a contam spore and make things worse. I am still in the process of installing the 3 small exhaust fans that i got from ripping up a usb laptop cooling fan assembly that you put your laptops on top of. Im putting them in the door, with a charcoal filter on the outside to catch any odors and whatnot. Plus one of those fans will bring in fresh air, and 2 will bring out pew pew air. I believe those fans will bring the temp down a few more degrees, because I believe that you are 100% correct in that the higher incubating temps def does promote contamination. So far though out of about 100 jars i have 3 contams, so im running a 97% success rate on colonizing...so far.
My fruiting success rate though still remains at 0%. But you said 5-14 days, so im going off that. I have 7 days in, and I do see a bunch of the white dots, more and more every day, so I know they'll start fruiting soon. But any other tips you can give on GE is greatly appreciated. But im guessing the GE wouldnt take place while they're in the jars in the incubator? And your probably referring to when someone is doing bulk coir tek?
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Re: My One Flush Wonder Mono Tubs Using Coir Tek (Heavy With Pictures) [Re: LukeSitewalker]
#16762812 - 08/30/12 09:15 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nevermind, I see that you mean GE during monotub colonization, as opposed to inside a jar in the incubator. I just had to go back and reread and earlier response i missed. Thanks again.
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