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freedom, rights, and other species
    #1675117 - 06/30/03 10:32 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

some say that freedom is the right to do anything you please so long as it doesn't initiate force against another human being. what about other creatures though? what ethical obligations, if any, do human beings have towards other organisms, and which organisms are owed these considerations?


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Re: freedom, rights, and other species [Re: ]
    #1675188 - 06/30/03 10:53 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

What? Other species? I have no idea what you're talking about....

Well, I guess its time that I go eat my hamburger, wrapped in my paper to-go bag, with a paper cup and other various paper products. Oh maybe I should go get some gas for my turbo-diesel trinitron F350 too.

hehe.

I dont know if the general public of America even cares/thinks/knows(?) about the impacts on the environment (including organisims, duh) of living every day life. Its very sad. :frown: I've been living my life very aware. Im aware that everything I pretty much do does wash down the drain and helps destroy the environment. I just try to keep it at a minimum.


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Re: freedom, rights, and other species [Re: ]
    #1675194 - 06/30/03 10:56 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Whats amazing is that we are really throwing things off balance. Millions of species evolved (or were created) on this earth. We all work together to live... and keep a balanced ecosystem and keep our biome clean and healthy.

Equalibrium is apparent through every single peice of life and time. Throwing it off creates problems.



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Re: freedom, rights, and other species [Re: angryshroom]
    #1675286 - 06/30/03 11:30 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Species die out all the time. More species have died out than there are still alive right now.


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Re: freedom, rights, and other species [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1675377 - 06/30/03 11:56 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

we must kill them all off so we are the only ones left. then we will be #1. Its like winning the species super bowl.


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Re: freedom, rights, and other species [Re: 1stimer]
    #1675849 - 07/01/03 03:23 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

"Species die out all the time. More species have died out than there are still alive right now"

so this justifies consumer stupidity and ignorance....

sure....fuck human potential, lets all be idiots shoving plastic cheesecakes down our mouths until we vomit.


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Re: freedom, rights, and other species [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1675960 - 07/01/03 04:15 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

It means don't worry about some rare variation of and that has a slightly diferent nostril.

Save the cute animals. Screw the rest.


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Re: freedom, rights, and other species [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1676630 - 07/01/03 12:37 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, species have died out over time....Same with species being created and evolved.

Extinctions have been increased since human time though. We have a big impact upon them. Everything we do, we probably kill off something.

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Re: freedom, rights, and other species [Re: angryshroom]
    #1676655 - 07/01/03 12:44 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Extinctions have been increased since human time though.




how do you know? Remember the dinosaurs?


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Re: freedom, rights, and other species [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1676665 - 07/01/03 12:47 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

remember the alamo


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Re: freedom, rights, and other species [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1676668 - 07/01/03 12:48 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Innvertigo said:
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Extinctions have been increased since human time though.




how do you know? Remember the dinosaurs?



Yes, there have been mass extinctions at various times in history, but man is the only animal(at least that I'm aware of) that systematically destroys ecosystems(such as the rainforest) for their own profit at a faster rate than those ecosystems can grow back.

Destroying ecosystems=mass extinction


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Re: freedom, rights, and other species [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1676670 - 07/01/03 12:49 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

if we are talking geological time, extinctions havent really increased, every couple of billion years there is a MASS EXTINCTION where the majority of species has died...thats happened a few times nowm and, creepily enough, we are set for another mass extinction some time soon.

but that does not make it allright for you shove plastic cheesecake down your mouth until you vomit.

have some respect for yourself.


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Re: freedom, rights, and other species [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1676687 - 07/01/03 12:55 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, lets all be brain dead sheep and live exactly like funky, after all.... he knows what's best for everyone.


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Re: freedom, rights, and other species [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1676693 - 07/01/03 12:58 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
Yes, lets all be brain dead sheep and live exactly like funky, after all.... he knows what's best for everyone. 



That made no sense whatsoever. :shake:


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Re: freedom, rights, and other species [Re: silversoul7]
    #1676701 - 07/01/03 01:03 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

luvdem: keep the fight alive man! keep fighting for the right to be a big, fat, dumb idiot! its your right! its in the constitution!

the constitution

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Re: freedom, rights, and other species [Re: silversoul7]
    #1676709 - 07/01/03 01:06 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

silversoul7 writes:

...man is the only animal(at least that I'm aware of) that systematically destroys ecosystems(such as the rainforest) for their own profit at a faster rate than those ecosystems can grow back.

Incorrect. Beavers do it on a regular basis. The "Crown of Thorns" starfish does it to the Great Barrier Reef in Australia. Kudzu does it in marshy areas. Goats are responsible for the creation of a surprisingly large amount of the world's desert areas.

There are many other examples of a given species completely destroying a given ecosystem faster than that ecosystem can recover. It is certainly not limited to homo sapiens sapiens. On the contrary, humans are capable of regenerating ecosystems. Goats, starfish, beavers and kudzu are not.

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Re: freedom, rights, and other species [Re: Phred]
    #1676714 - 07/01/03 01:08 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Gosh..... a libbie was wrong again?

:lol:


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Re: freedom, rights, and other species [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1676726 - 07/01/03 01:13 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Gosh...luvdemshrooms being a pathetic, immature asshole again?

:lol:


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Re: freedom, rights, and other species [Re: ]
    #1676727 - 07/01/03 01:13 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

if laws are there just to keep human beings from infringing on other human beings, what if there is only one single person in the entire world? can they do whatever they want?

what about laws against animal cruelty?

do other species have rights and deserve legal protection?


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Re: freedom, rights, and other species [Re: Phred]
    #1676730 - 07/01/03 01:15 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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There are many other examples of a given species completely destroying a given ecosystem faster than that ecosystem can recover. It is certainly not limited to homo sapiens sapiens. On the contrary, humans are capable of regenerating ecosystems. Goats, starfish, beavers and kudzu are not.



We may be capable of regenerating ecosystems, but we clearly don't do this nearly often enough.


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