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Late Casing Question
    #16745403 - 08/27/12 09:38 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

So if you've ever heard of "Fahtster's late casing tek"
my question is I wanted to see what you think of the idea of waiting to put the casing layer on until right before the 2nd flush or even the 3rd. I was thinking it could over colonize and the mycelium could get too dense. What's your hypothesis as to what would happen? I appreciate any feedback friends. Thanks. 

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Re: Late Casing Question [Re: BlueOysBoy]
    #16745420 - 08/27/12 09:42 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

a casing layer is supposed to have no nutritional value, so it shouldnt colonize.....but it might be helpful for moisture retention after a couple flushes....:shrug:

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Re: Late Casing Question [Re: PussyFart]
    #16745444 - 08/27/12 09:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Notahacker420 said:
a casing layer is supposed to have no nutritional value, so it shouldnt colonize.....but it might be helpful for moisture retention after a couple flushes....:shrug:



i realize it shouldnt colonize which is why you put on the thin casing layer right when you see the first pins. that's exactly what i thought about moisture retention, like maybe it would produce larger 2nd or 3rd flushes.

Edited by BlueOysBoy (08/27/12 09:48 PM)

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Re: Late Casing Question [Re: BlueOysBoy]
    #16745734 - 08/27/12 10:50 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

have any verm lying around?


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Re: Late Casing Question [Re: snakeinthegrass]
    #16745841 - 08/27/12 11:14 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

its possible, why? I think Sublicious casing mix would be better tho.

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Re: Late Casing Question [Re: BlueOysBoy]
    #16746075 - 08/28/12 12:09 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

In my opinion that is old out dated info, the late casing tek that is.  Also, adding a casing after the first flush is very bad news and will lead to contams, no doubt about it.  It will provide a nice environment for the 1000's of contam that have already landed on the surface of the substrate.  Take care of the surface of the substrate right off the bat and there will be no need for a casing.


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Re: Late Casing Question [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #16746190 - 08/28/12 12:55 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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adding a casing after the first flush is very bad news and will lead to contams, no doubt about it.  It will provide a nice environment for the 1000's of contam that have already landed on the surface of the substrate.


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Also, mycelium shouldn't exhibit strong growth in a casing layer when exposed to fruiting conditions. Apply the casing several days after the substrate is colonized and expose to fruiting conditions just as hyphae begin to show through and there won't be an overgrowth problem.


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Re: Late Casing Question [Re: Rahz]
    #16747474 - 08/28/12 11:03 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

BlueOysBoy,
I would suggest saving the casing to put on after your substrate is fully colonized, place back in dark for a couple days then patch.

I have never cased after fruiting however I have noticed some good results patching in between flushes. Hope this helps.


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Re: Late Casing Question [Re: subliciouscompost]
    #16748403 - 08/28/12 02:13 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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BlueOysBoy,
I would suggest saving the casing to put on after your substrate is fully colonized, place back in dark for a couple days then patch.




I appreciate the feedback.
If i were to add the casing layer once the sub fully colonizes to a strain like, idk, PE.  The casing layer would totally colonize because PE takes a longer to fruit and the mycelium gets super dense. Which is why Fahtster's late casing method works so good w PE. As well as light right away and FAE and fanning every other day while colonizing, once colonize fan 3x a day it helps speed up the PE process so you get fruits quicker and the mycelium doesnt get super dense.

Edited by BlueOysBoy (08/28/12 02:19 PM)

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Re: Late Casing Question [Re: BlueOysBoy]
    #16748426 - 08/28/12 02:17 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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BlueOysBoy said:
its possible, why? I think Sublicious casing mix would be better tho.



Vermiculite casings are the shittiest casings known to man.

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Re: Late Casing Question [Re: SoreSpore]
    #16748455 - 08/28/12 02:23 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Vermiculite casings are the shittiest casings known to man.




What do you suggest using as a successful casing?

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Re: Late Casing Question [Re: BlueOysBoy]
    #16748467 - 08/28/12 02:26 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

50/50+
Peat/Vermiculite with hydrated lime added to adjust the PH to about 7-8 and crushed oyster shells for texture.
50/50 is just as good and is just missing the oyster shells.

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Re: Late Casing Question [Re: SoreSpore]
    #16750705 - 08/28/12 08:10 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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The casing layer would totally colonize because PE takes a longer to fruit and the mycelium gets super dense.




It depends on the fruiting environment. In a greenhouse with proper FAE it would be unusual for a casing layer to visibly colonize period. In a mono-tub the casing is going to have some overgrowth due to the lack of air movement. Also, a coir based casing is going to be more prone to overgrowth than a peat based casing. I use a reed sedge pete/verm casing in a 'greenhouse environment' and there's never any overgrowth, even after 3-4 flushes.

There's two ways of looking at casing in mono-tub type environments. One is that you just expect some overgrowth, in which case a layer of unspawned coir/verm is best used. This will at least allow the mycelium to reclaim the energy used in the process. Two is to ditch the casing layer. In my experience this leaves it up to genetics as to whether the pinset is nice or not, but fewer pins means larger fruits. This has the added benefit of less work involved.


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Re: Late Casing Question [Re: Rahz]
    #16767671 - 08/31/12 07:09 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The late casing tek works best when these things are incorporated with it:

-Use an isolate or clone

-Use the layering technique that OZZ, arp, and myself use... it forces rhizos north and provides high nute content near the top where the fruits are.

It's not out-dated, it's just not for everyone.  Much like casings in general aren't necessarily needed for cubes, but people still use them.  Plain verm. for late casings tended to work best for me

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Re: Late Casing Question [Re: fahtster]
    #16770749 - 09/01/12 11:20 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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fahtster said:
The late casing tek works best when these things are incorporated with it:

-Use an isolate or clone

-Use the layering technique that OZZ, arp, and myself use... it forces rhizos north and provides high nute content near the top where the fruits are.

It's not out-dated, it's just not for everyone.  Much like casings in general aren't necessarily needed for cubes, but people still use them.  Plain verm. for late casings tended to work best for me

faht




Thanks Faht Ive read your how to make a bulk tub/late casing thread like a thousand times man. You may not know it but you have helped me tremendously. Thank you!
The layering tek is the shit w PE because the mycelium doesnt get as dense and it holds moisture better. and I agreee the late casing tek isnt outdated & it works very well with PE. Its the shit it forces those knots to become pins. Thanks for having my back here Faht. YOU DA MAN!

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Re: Late Casing Question [Re: BlueOysBoy]
    #16771006 - 09/01/12 12:23 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

We use a 50/50 mix of perlite and verm along with ph adjusters which puts it between  6.5 and 7.


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