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 Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? 
#1673410 - 06/30/03 06:47 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Liberalism
"It's all [the] liberals' fault"
This is from chapter one, page one of Ann Coulter's new book Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right, and she means it, boy does she mean it. For more than 200 pages she tears into the evil liberals. They are guilty of everything from elitism (Hollywood actors) to being under-educated boors (Michael Moore), and every crime in between. They hate conservatives, they hate Americans, they seem to hate everything. "Liberals hate society and want to bring it down to reinforce their sense of invincibility." (p. 27) Hate society? Whoa! Who knew?
Coulter's extremist stereotyping of liberals can be found on every page. She uses up most of the dictionaries nasty words in describing liberals, but what Coulter never does is tell us what exactly this thing called a liberal is. With wide-ranging targets--from Rob Lowe to Christine Whitman--it becomes clear that a liberal is anyone who Coulter doesn't agree with. And anyone she doesn't agree with is evil. This makes her book extremely annoying and hard to argue with. After all, if everyone who is bad is a liberal, then all the liberals are bad. Hard to argue with. Also hard to respect. This kind of circular logic has a certain aesthetic appeal but it is not conducive to rational discourse.
So who is a liberal in Coulter's universe? Although she does not give a clear definition (at least, none that I've found) she does provide a long list of who she defines as liberal. All Democrats are clearly liberals: she uses the words "Democrat" and "liberal" interchangeably in her books and in her columns. Some Republicans, however, seem to be liberals too (Senator James Jeffords). The Media is completely controlled by limousine liberals (barring radio and the Internet, where good conservatives triumph), Dan Rather being an especially loathsome example of this Media elite. The rich are liberals (elitists again). But so are the very poor. (Which suggests that Gore got a plurality of the vote because more than half the country is either very rich or very poor. What ever happened to the American middle class?) In short, anyone who Coulter doesn't like or doesn't agree with, is a liberal. And they're all pretty bad people.
Here's an example of liberal as defined by Coulter:
"We read letters to the editor of the New York Times from pathetic little parakeet males and grim, quivering, angry women on the Upper West Side of Manhattan hoping to be chosen as that day's purveyor of hate. These letters are about one step above Tiger Beat magazine in intellectual engagement. They are never responsive, they never include clever ripostes or attacks; they merely restate the position of the Times with greater venom." (p. 2)
Never mind the more obvious excesses in this paragraph (New York Times' letters are never responsive, never clever), there is an ugliness in this attack on liberals that is disturbingly typical of Coulter. In this paragraph, a liberal is a Manhattanite, or to be more precise, an Upper West Side Manhattanite with odd habits of either grimly "quivering" or acting like a parakeet. What does she mean by these adjectives? I can't help but sniff some homophobia here. I know Coulter would deny it, calling me a knee-jerk, politically correct liberal (or "girly-boy", another favorite Coulterism). But then, why "grim", why "parakeet". Why these images of tough, masculine women and small, twittering men? This is a typical Coulter strategy wherein she implies something about her ideological opponents (liberals are a bunch of queer New Yorkers) but maintains plausible deniability by avoiding actually saying what she means.
Of course, the worst part about the above quote is its complete lack of logic. If liberals are Upper West Side Manhattanites, how did they win half the Senate? Almost half the House? In the 2000 election, Democrats won almost half of the Electoral College and more popular votes than did the Republicans. Does Coulter seriously think that half the people in this country are evil? Or are those poor voters simply deluded pawns of the real liberals, the ones in Washington, Hollywood, and the Upper West Side who control everything? If so, this seems like the same sort elitist attitudes that she accuses her liberal opponents of harboring. The poor people are too dumb to see through those wily liberals. They need pundits like Coulter to show them the truth.
Coulter's image of liberalism is both ugly and divisive. What else but divisive can you call a world-view that labels half the country evil? On the major issues of today, American attitudes, unlike Coulters, remain divided and complex. Only one third think homosexuality should be illegal, but two thirds oppose the idea of gay marriage. Most Americans think abortion should be legal, but most also think that there should be limitations placed on when and why abortions occur. If these attitudes are somewhat contradictory, they are also quite real, and reflect the inherent moral murkiness of these issues. Alan Wolfe got it right in his 1998 book, One Nation, After All: most Americans understand that political issues are complex and nuanced and they prefer to put themselves in the moderate center of political debates, not out on the fringes with the likes of Coulter.
Coulter's characterization of liberals also shows she has no understanding of the history of American liberalism.
The modern liberal tradition begins with English philosopher John Locke. Locke argued that all men have certain rights, "life, liberty, and estates" (property), and that any government that takes away those rights is illegitimate. Locke's essays were an attack on the conservatives of his day who were defending the divine rights of kings. Our founding fathers based our Constitution on Locke's ideas (Thomas Jefferson practically plagiarized Locke in the Declaration of Independence with his "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".) The followers of this way of thinking proudly called themselves liberals. They believed in freedom and individual rights. And they were so successful that the old conservatives, the ones who believed in the power of kings, died out.
In the 20th century, the victorious liberals split into two camps. There were those who had a relatively narrow view of individual rights, essentially believing that the government should just leave people alone as much as possible (these became the new conservatives); and there were those who argued that government should intervene to some degree to provide economic security, without which, they believed, individual rights were useless. These latter were the liberals of Roosevelt's New Deal and Johnson's Great Society. But these liberals still maintained their belief in individual rights and so vehemently opposed the Soviet Union from its formation until its collapse.
This is the history of real liberalism, one which Coulter either does not understand or deliberately distorts, as this selection from her conclusion demonstrates:
"Liberals have been wrong about everything in the past half-century. They were wrong about Stalin (praised in the New York Times and known as 'Uncle Joe' to Franklin Roosevelt). They were wrong about Reagan (won the Cold War and now polling as the greatest president of the twentieth century). They were wrong about the Soviet Union (defeated by the twentieth century's greatest president)." (p. 197)
Again, typical Coulter. Liberals were not wrong about Stalin, they loathed him. But during World War II they decided it was better to work with Stalin than Hitler. (There were radical leftists in the United States who liked Stalin, but there were also extreme right-wingers who liked Hitler, so that's a fair trade-off of lunatic fringes.) It was Democratic President Harry Truman who pumped up the Cold War, built up our nuclear arsenal, put troops into Germany, started NATO, and fought the Korean War. It was Democratic President John F. Kennedy who faced down the Soviets during the Cuban Missile Crisis and sent the first combat troops to Vietnam to fight against Communism. Anti-Communism was an area where reasonable liberals and conservatives generally agreed and cooperated, despite Coulter's historical revisionism. To give Ronald Reagan sole credit for bringing down the Soviet Union is foolishness.
Coulter's use of the word liberal is inaccurate, monotonous, and dangerous. Dangerous because her kind of thinking makes healthy political debates almost impossible. Once we start using labels as an excuse for thinking we've lost our ability to engage in reasonable political discourse. Or to quote Coulter:
"Progress cannot be made on serious issues because one side is making arguments and the other side is throwing eggs--both figuratively and literally. Prevarication and denigration are the hallmarks of liberal argument. Logic is not their metier. Blind religious faith is." (p. 2)
Precisely, Ann. Stop calling everyone you don't like a liberal. It's mindless name calling and you don't even know what the word means. Your opponents aren't all liberals--some of us are far to the left of liberal, and some of us are even Republicans--and the ones who are don't all think alike. Start being a bit nuanced in your arguments and I might be forced to take this web site down.
Sure, there are leftists who play the same sort of name-calling game (think Noam Chomsky) but they don't represent liberals. Most leftists and liberals, like myself, can disagree with conservatives without calling them evil. William Safire, William Bennet, Barry Goldwater, John McCain, Rudy Giuliani, Christine Whitman, Bob Dole are all Republicans and yet I can respect them and take their opinions seriously.
I don't have to like their ideas (almost every Safire column annoys me) but I can respect their seriousness and their integrity. We simply disagree on issues. This is what reasonable people do. This is what Coulter should learn to do. But as long as Coulter keeps arguing that all liberals are evil we cannot take her seriously. We can merely work to expose her inanities and insanities.
If Coulter would only stop throwing those eggs, we'd all get along a lot better."
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: MushMushi] 1
#1673415 - 06/30/03 06:53 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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She's right though.
Liberals are (for the most part) evil and they are the single biggest problem we face as a society.
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1673434 - 06/30/03 07:11 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said:
She's right though.
Liberals are (for the most part) evil and they are the single biggest problem we face as a society.
Haha. Suffering from the same delusional psychosis as ann coulter.
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: ]
#1673469 - 06/30/03 07:35 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Come on now baby..... at least put a little effort into it.
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1673515 - 06/30/03 08:20 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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I didn't have to.
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#1673533 - 06/30/03 08:35 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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babytripster said:
I didn't have to.
No... it's obvious you should have.
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Maybe this will help.
1. Put a plastic bag over your head.
2. Slowly, count to 156,352 by ones.
3. Soon you'll be all better.
And the world will be better for it.
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1673540 - 06/30/03 08:38 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dang, that's cold! 
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: shakta]
#1673584 - 06/30/03 09:02 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes. Yes it is.
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1673626 - 06/30/03 09:31 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm so hurt.
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 Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1673649 - 06/30/03 09:40 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said:
She's right though.
Liberals are (for the most part) evil and they are the single biggest problem we face as a society.
What was that that just flew out the window? Oh, it's just the last ounce of your credibility.
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 Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: MushMushi]
#1673703 - 06/30/03 10:17 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hate makes the world go round!
"Fuck you for not being like me!"
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: ]
#1674222 - 06/30/03 02:40 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Tell that to luvedemshrooms, Mr. I hate liberals.
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#1674319 - 06/30/03 03:26 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Tell that to luvedemshrooms, Mr. I hate liberals.
I don't hate them. There are some I even like.
It's just the balance I have both pity and contempt for.
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1674326 - 06/30/03 03:29 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's weird. You didn't include an insult in your post. If you keep that up, people will start having good self esteems.
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#1674331 - 06/30/03 03:32 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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babytripster said:
That's weird. You didn't include an insult in your post. If you keep that up, people will start having good self esteems.
If their self esteem is based on what I think of them, they're a pretty sad excuse for a person anyway.
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1674338 - 06/30/03 03:34 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's true, your opinions don't matter that much in the end.
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: ]
#1674346 - 06/30/03 03:36 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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babytripster said:
That's true, your opinions don't matter that much in the end.
Holy crap! You finally said something that wasn't either totally stupid or a lie.
Good for you lil fella.
In the end, no-ones opinions matter for shit.
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1674388 - 06/30/03 03:52 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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they sure don't!
So let me be the first to say that (IMO ) liberal and conservative are both the same two things, but borne of different styles. Like a magnet- there are two poles- consider liberal to be one pole and conservative to be the other. Both will attract metal, but interesting interactions only occur with different magnets. If you consider each issue to be a magnet, and belief to be metal, then we've got an interesting analogy now..
Well that was fun.
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1674450 - 06/30/03 04:20 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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it seems to me you dont like yourself very much.
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: 1stimer]
#1674465 - 06/30/03 04:24 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do you never tire of being wrong?
I'm as content as I have ever been.
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1675341 - 06/30/03 09:46 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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i seriously doubt you have ever done shrooms and if you have you are the densest person ever.
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: 1stimer]
#1676141 - 07/01/03 04:09 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Coming from a pissant such as yourself, I'm devastated. 
While I have no way to prove it, I took my first hallucinigens 25+ years ago and I've been doing them ever since.
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: MushMushi]
#1676180 - 07/01/03 04:40 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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You're correct about Noam Chomsky, MushMushi, he doesn't represent anything with a remote resemblance to liberalism or libertarianism. Chomsky was one of the fuck-heads who thought Pol Pot was a good guy who liberated Cambodia by introducing marxism there, and Chomsky even published long "rebuttals" to first-hand witness accounts of the ongoing genocide that was happening in Cambodia, just because Chomsky couldn't accept the reality that the last times communism led to genocide (in Russia, Ukraine, China, Hungary, Vietnam, etc) might be an indication that it would happen again.
Most people who think like that are just stupid.
But Chomsky has proven by his works in linguistics that he is not stupid.
So the explanation for his evilness must be that he is severely disturbed.
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: Rhizoid]
#1676236 - 07/01/03 05:34 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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noam chomsky...evil???? please eloborate.
-i'd like to see some solid facts that would indicate that the khmer rouge were going to committ disgusting acts before they did.
-just because they were marxist doesnt mean shit, marxism doesnt automatically translate into genocide, in the same sense that capitalism does not automatically translate into imperialism.
-i dont remember a genocide occuring in cuba, but i guess I could have missed it.
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1676271 - 07/01/03 06:19 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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While I have no way to prove it, I took my first hallucinigens 25+ years ago and I've been doing them ever since.
Hey, i guess that makes you the densest person alive.
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: 1stimer]
#1676308 - 07/01/03 06:57 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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As I said. coming from a pissant such as you, I'm devastated.
Totally devastated.
Completely devastated.
My devastation knows no bounds.
Maybe you should try some hallucinogens when you grow up. 
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1676311 - 07/01/03 07:00 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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correct me if im wrong,
but those views are not ann's .. they are skewings meant to invoke a particular sort of reaction from liberals, and the opposite from conservatives. they are meant to gravely piss off liberals and humor conservatives, especially when they see the reaction....
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: ]
#1676327 - 07/01/03 07:10 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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 shhhhh! That's a secret!
I'd correct you on this if I could, but you're right.
And it sure works well.
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: 1stimer]
#1676347 - 07/01/03 07:29 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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if you think that your views are so infallible, and that using psychedelics will open everyone up to the wonderful world of the Truth (the way you see things), then you my friend, not luvdemshrooms, has a bit to learn from the whole experience.
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#1676357 - 07/01/03 07:43 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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luvdem and morrow- are you guys defending anne? i seriously hope not....or else I will punch myself for believing that you were in some way intelligent.
prove me wrong.
mush: no way dude, mushrooms make you enlightened! especially to leftist ideals!
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
#1676399 - 07/01/03 08:20 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Chomsky defended the Khmer Rouge after it became known that they were murdering a large part of the cambodian population.
The fact that the Khmer Rouge were genocidal was obvious to all sane persons just a few days after they entered Phnom Penh and forced all the inhabitants to evacuate the city in april 1975.
Why would anyone suspect that they were to be normal mass murdering marxists just like most other marxists in power, and not be the exception that all the idiots were hoping for, when all evidence showed in advance that they were not exceptional in any way?
In other words, how stupid or evil can a communist-sympathizer be? Is there some ultimate lowest level that marxists can reach, or are there no limits?
Atomikfunksoldier, you mention Cuba for some reason, and it's true that Cuba is more like the dictatorship of the proletariat in Romania than the dictatorship of the proletariat in Cambodia. The scale of the murdering performed by communists varies, but it happens everywhere they have power, because it's built into their ideology. Cuba executes a larger percentage of its citizens than most other nations, but Castro is an exceptionally mild-mannered marxist since so many cubans are still alive after more than 40 years of his rule as the island's tyrant.
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
#1676403 - 07/01/03 08:23 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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wtf are you talking about
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now dont get me wrong, im not defending marxism,
but, ive read a bit about chomsky and the KR, but nothing that says he supported them while the killings were happening, he did downplay how many people the killed, because he asserts that the stats are wrong, and that many of the deaths are a result of US bombing.
so, what are your sources?
why do you think genocide is built into marxism?
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
#1676419 - 07/01/03 08:33 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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i give up. i dont even know what youre talking about anymore. and whats wrong with defending anyone? youre being as dense as she seems to be
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sorry, that last question was directed at rhizoid, and on the previous one: i was thinking that your comment might be related to some sort of sympathy towards ann.
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
#1676464 - 07/01/03 09:14 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why is genocide built into marxism?
For the same reason as why the war on drugs is built into prohibition.
Marxism is built on the economic theory of Karl Marx. It was proved to be incorrect more than a 100 years ago by the way, but not many of the intellectual poseurs that set the trends in the media seemed to notice until recently (at least not here in Europe). Marxist theory says that the trade value of a commodity is determined by the amount of labor needed to make it, and that it has nothing to do with how much the buyer wants the commodity and how much the seller values it.
Now, whenever a marxist regime enforces this principle by law, there will be a huge black market. And when the regime tries to eradicate this market, people will suffer, since a functional economy is necessary for survival.
That's the source of the built-in genocidal tendencies in marxism. The exact mechanisms vary. Slave labor camps are just a way to implement "from each according to his abilities" when the individuals cannot be motivated by a non-marxist salary. And the killing of entire classes of people is just an attempt to reprogram the surviving population to accept the marxist theory of economics.
Since Karl Marx spent most of his miserable life trying to make this inherently erroneous theory to be the foundation of communism, without ever trying to fix it, it's not hard to draw the conclusion that communism is no more than what it seems to be: an excuse to steal and rob from others.
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#1676565 - 07/01/03 10:05 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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You're correct about Noam Chomsky, MushMushi, he doesn't represent anything with a remote resemblance to liberalism or libertarianism. Chomsky was one of the fuck-heads who thought Pol Pot was a good guy who liberated Cambodia by introducing marxism there, and Chomsky even published long "rebuttals" to first-hand witness accounts of the ongoing genocide that was happening in Cambodia, just because Chomsky couldn't accept the reality that the last times communism led to genocide (in Russia, Ukraine, China, Hungary, Vietnam, etc) might be an indication that it would happen again.
Interesting. This reminds me of the backlash that George Orwell recieved from his fellow socialists when he criticized the Soviet Union. People want so desperately to believe that their side is the best that they refuse to accept that anyone on that side could do anything wrong.
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#1676597 - 07/01/03 10:24 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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(Um. Okay.
Listen. Please direct me to a single refutation of
Capital. Please direct me to a single work in
which his economic theory is "proved to be incorrect."
I mean, a scientific refutation, a scientific response
to Marx's basic theory.
A lot of people may disagree with his idea of replacing
capitalism, but I don't think many serious people still
disagree with his description of capitalism.
Please don't make ridiculous statements.)
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
#1676632 - 07/01/03 10:37 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Regarding Chomsky, he did not just question the statistics. It's OK to do that if it helps us make the statistics more accurate. The problem with Chomsky is that he systematically called all eyewitness reports about the communist genocide "propaganda", until after 1978 when Vietnam invaded Cambodia. Chomsky used the phrase "flood of lies" to describe these reports (source: see link below).
The man obviously had an agenda, and it's not an agenda that normal people who love life would find agreeable. That is why I think Chomsky is evil.
Here's a good article about Noam Chomsky and his opinions of the Khmer Rouge:
http://www.mekong.net/cambodia/chomsky.htm
And before anyone brings it up, yes, Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher also supported the Khmer Rouge, after the communist holocaust, in order to punish Vietnam. Yes, they were unbelievably huge assholes too. Jimmy Carter is the only US president since 1963 that I have any respect for at all.
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: Rhizoid]
#1676641 - 07/01/03 10:40 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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-rhizoid
but....there was plenty of propaganda and lies sorrounding the whole affair, remember, the american gov't also had an agenda.
silversoul:George Orwell recieved from his fellow socialists
-could you elaborate on orwell's socialist background, all ive read is "down and out in paris and london"
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#1676689 - 07/01/03 10:56 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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luvdems ego seems pretty big for having constant ego supression on shrooms. he seems pretty bitter and hatefull towards others for doing an entheogen that effects one by making them feel apart of a collective.
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: Rhizoid]
#1676704 - 07/01/03 11:03 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ann Coulter says everything that liberals
fear conservatives think, 'Bomb their homes
and convert them to Christianity,' etc.
Noam Chomsky says everything that conservatives
fear liberals think, 'We love genocide, as
long as it's not Americans doing the genociding,'
etc.
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: 1stimer]
#1676710 - 07/01/03 11:06 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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i didnt say what was supposed to be learned from taking shrooms so now i will.Quote:
Please do.
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luvdems ego seems pretty big for having constant ego supression on shrooms.
Ego suppresion? *SNORT*
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he seems pretty bitter and hatefull towards others for doing an entheogen that effects one by making them feel apart of a collective.
The only things I hate are fools, stupidity, big goverment, people who follow the political correctness bandwagon and the like. And no, I'm not a bitter person despite what you think. And where did you get such a stupid idea as me having "hatefull towards others for doing an entheogen that effects one by making them feel apart of a collective.being that anyway?" You poor bastard.
I can only assume drugs have destroyed what little sense you were born with. If taking shrooms makes you feel a part of something, more power to you.
"Part of a collective"? What a stooge.
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: bivalve]
#1676776 - 07/01/03 11:38 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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About Das Kapital.
I think it was Achille Loria and Benedetto Croce who were the first to actually point out the flaws in "Das Kapital", but there were lots of others too. Anyone with a functioning brain who has enough patience to read this big sleeping pill will see it easily. Just compare what is said in different parts of this great piece of art. For example:
Volume I Chapter 2:
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For the labour spent upon them counts effectively, only in so far as it is spent in a form that is useful for others. Whether that labour is useful for others, and its product consequently capable of satisfying the wants of others, can be proved only by the act of exchange.
This is absolutely true, any sane person will agree that the supply of labor only has a certain economic value if it fills some specific demand. But keep reading.
Volume III Chapter 10:
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If supply and demand balance one another, they cease to explain anything, do not affect market-values, and therefore leave us so much more in the dark about the reasons why the market-value is expressed in just this sum of money and no other.
Here the economics of supply and demand is suddenly negated, because of the realization that it didn't fit in very well with the labor theory of value that is the foundation of marxist economy.
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: Rhizoid]
#1676910 - 07/01/03 12:27 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm sorry if I sometimes sound emotional in my postings, I try not to, but I'm old enough to remember the times when the horrors of the communist holocaust were happening in real time, and not just abstract events in a history book.
It's only been 14 years since the last killing of a person who tried to cross the Berlin Wall from the communist side to the capitalist side.
You don't have to be a supporter of all the evils of capitalism to understand how evil communism was, and how important it is to make sure that it doesn't happen again.
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: Rhizoid]
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You don't have to be a supporter of all the evils of capitalism to understand how evil communism was, and how important it is to make sure that it doesn't happen again.
Good point. The state won't wither away, dammit. (That's what I tell my communist friend now and then)
But the evils of capitalism--which like the evils of communism have a lot to do with our own nature--will produce reactions, and those reactions will involve the lower classes--the laborers and the poor--and/or the government, so what other reaction besides a socialist-type reaction might arise in that situation?
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Coming from a pissant such as yourself, I'm devastated.
While I have no way to prove it, I took my first hallucinigens 25+ years ago and I've been doing them ever since.
wow.... the miracle of the internet. Kesey was right, it's not the drugs.... you are a perfect example. didn't you read the post? liberalism is a heroic atempt to stop the endless oscillation of civilization... a giant in philosophy which requires a bit more lengthy refutatioin than you or ann coulter can articulate. locke, dude, locke!
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: Malachi]
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liberalism is a heroic atempt to stop the endless oscillation of civilization
Bullshit.
Liberalism is just another attempt to reduce society to its lowest common denominator.
And as a suggestion, before you make any off-handed references to my drug use, perhaps you should discover the miracle called spell check.
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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oh, the grammar bitch is on the job, watch out.
"liberalism is just another attempt to reduce society to its lowest common denominator."
no really you lippy little bitch, read the article. it explains why using the word "liberal" as an insult makes the insulter, well, a fucking moron. aka you.
a LIBERAL democracy is what America has always been, it is the philosophic system which ALL parties (within the mainstream) pay at least lip service to.
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: Malachi]
#1680043 - 07/02/03 10:32 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Grammar? I said nothing about your grammar.
If you think the US has always been liberal, your education (as well as your brain) are severely lacking.
I've never been called a bitch before.
It's generally bastard, or fuckhead, something along those lines.
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Re: Ann cuntler attacks on liberals... fiction ? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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bivalve: Noam Chomsky says everything that conservatives
fear liberals think, 'We love genocide, as
long as it's not Americans doing the genociding,'
etc.
when did chomsky say "we love genocide"? I think I missed that.
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I strongly suggest you smoke less crack , huff less paint , or stop talking to God for a sec and just fucking check to see if the thread is 13 years old before you bump it .
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While true the left liberals are more out of touch with reality than conservatives her polarized opinions serve a purpose to conquer adn divide the masses.
The left blames far right and the right blames far left. Trust me it's no coincidence these talking heads always stay hyper animated on ultra polarized theories. It splits people that in reality share 95%+ in common to hyper focus on the tiny 5% of differences
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Enlils true purpose is to get us off topic and to cast enough logical doubts so that outsiders viewing this would be more likely to side with his fake opinions rather than our or sometimes controlled opppsotions opinions.
You see if you are too skilled at not falling for their traps and stating logically sound debunks then other accounts who purposefully agree with 90% of the truth join in and get the entire topic off the main points.
It's their 1960s version of damage control and diversion but man it's painfully obvious in 2017
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More here http://www.anncoulter.com/
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Luddite said:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/
They can't handle the truth, it's the reason they fight so hard to shut it down
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Liberals are (for the most part) evil and they are the single biggest problem we face as a society.
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