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Re: Thinking about opening a new kratom vendor website [Re: TurkeyTom]
#16613835 - 07/29/12 10:31 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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g'night!
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Re: Thinking about opening a new kratom vendor website [Re: novalentinehere]
#16613849 - 07/29/12 10:33 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Id stop by and buy one next time i came down the mountain headed east... 
But in all seriousness, if you think you could roll with it, go for it... You should read up about becoming a vendor on the site... You have to be quite established...
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Re: Thinking about opening a new kratom vendor website [Re: novalentinehere]
#16613862 - 07/29/12 10:36 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Thinking about opening a new kratom vendor website [Re: novalentinehere]
#16613878 - 07/29/12 10:39 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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dont. i thougt about doing this too but the negatives out weigh the positives.
1. you could become severly addicted to kratom since you would be pushing big weight obviously.. alot of things begin fuckin up if you start using your own product.
2. you're putting more attention to a legal substance that doesn't need to be added. i.e. you open your new market, more people come across your possible ads ect. more people find out about it and abuse it and eventually start dying some how bringing unwanted attention to this scared/harmless plant.
3. if it does become illegal while your pushin weight as all as your possible addiction. have fun with the widthdrawls.
4. if your product becomes illegal again while pushin weight and making a living off of it, your fucked unless you have an alternate job/good income.
5. don't do it, I don't want to see this herb get banned. 
not blaming you or anything, dont take offense. just sayin in general
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Re: Thinking about opening a new kratom vendor website [Re: tripp23]
#16613934 - 07/29/12 10:51 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have a plant that i dont intend on eating... My cat seems to enjoy it though...
 
Only eats 1/2 a leaf though... He knows balance and moderation...
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Re: Thinking about opening a new kratom vendor website [Re: total]
#16614218 - 07/29/12 11:37 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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tripp23 said: dont. i thougt about doing this too but the negatives out weigh the positives.
1. you could become severly addicted to kratom since you would be pushing big weight obviously.. alot of things begin fuckin up if you start using your own product.
Yeah it would probably work best if you didn't use it at all. Makes me think of that Biggie song 10 crack commandments... never get high on your own supply.
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Re: Thinking about opening a new kratom vendor website [Re: tripp23]
#16614685 - 07/30/12 01:42 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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tripp23 said: dont. i thougt about doing this too but the negatives out weigh the positives.
1. you could become severly addicted to kratom since you would be pushing big weight obviously.. alot of things begin fuckin up if you start using your own product.
2. you're putting more attention to a legal substance that doesn't need to be added. i.e. you open your new market, more people come across your possible ads ect. more people find out about it and abuse it and eventually start dying some how bringing unwanted attention to this scared/harmless plant.
3. if it does become illegal while your pushin weight as all as your possible addiction. have fun with the widthdrawls.
4. if your product becomes illegal again while pushin weight and making a living off of it, your fucked unless you have an alternate job/good income.
5. don't do it, I don't want to see this herb get banned. 
not blaming you or anything, dont take offense. just sayin in general 
I agree and concur with all of that....besides the addiction part. Kratom is one of the most benign plants I've ever worked with.
I suppose, if one has an addictive personality, they can become addicted to the stuff (as they would with anything), and depending on why you're taking kratom. But in my experience, and talking with many others, it's really not that addictive what so ever and the withdrawals are virtually non-existent...even after daily use for prolonged periods of time. As a comparison, I personally found coffee harder to quit than kratom ever was. The withdrawals consisted of mild insomnia, night sweats, and some irritability for a couple days. No where near as bad as the headaches, lethargy, and irritabilty that I experienced from quitting coffee/caffeine.
With all that said, it's best to keep things in moderation. I don't want to make it sound totally harmless, I mean you start taking 10g to 20g+ a day for months or years on end, you might have a rough time. I take the stuff daily for several months at a time, then take a break for a couple weeks. Quitting is never an issue. I use it as an anti-depressant, anti-anxiety, to help with aspergers & social interaction, pain-killer, coffee substitution, and a general stimulator of the mind, rather than outright taking it to get high. I can see how things would differ depending on one's intentions and use of the plant. Most people I know use it in a medicinal aspect.
PsilliCoder, have you at all been following the legal status of kratom? Lots of bullshit going on lately, it's already been outlawed in Indiana (or was it Illinois?). And other states/lawmakers are hopping on the bandwagon, some ignorantly lumping it together with synthetics . Recently, there have even been large shipments being seized by customs on it's way into the states, which is bullshit considering the plant is 100% legal. Pay-Pal has forced many, if not most, vendors to stop using their service. I would not be surprised the least bit that big pharma is one of the big culprits behind all this non-sense.
There are already a handful of reputable vendors out there with very good quality/potency and for cheap (less than $7 an ounce). And even fewer (quality) suppliers, which seem to dominate the market. I'd say it's probably not that lucrative of a market to jump into, unless you have a shat load of $ to invest in a large supply so you can sell your product cheaply (just to compete with the well known vendors). No doubt good money can be made, but unless you have a hook up for cheap and a decent customer base it probably won't go anywhere. There's only one supplier I go through and won't go through anyone else, most people seem to stand by the one vendor they like.
...and repeating what trip23 said, I really don't want to see this wonderful plant get banned. Kratom is terrific medicine, I hold it on par with cannabis.
just my 2-cents
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Re: Thinking about opening a new kratom vendor website [Re: PsilliCoder]
#16614922 - 07/30/12 04:05 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Go for it,
Before making any moves makes sure you have all your money in order. Also have some on the side just if a problem happens.
Make sure you put disclaimers on you website so you dont get sued if some idiot kids dies or gets hurt.
Ever considered growing your own kratom? This could give your website an advantage to others due too you advertising it as local and organic. You should also have a bulks supplier with this too, so you can cheaper kratom on the website.
One thing that can help get your business a solid foundation is to go local head-shops and ones around town, and sell your product. Give them free samples to handout, and make sure you out signs for your website in their shop.
Im sure you will be able to get a couple of headshops to buy from you to supply their store.
Make your kratom the highest quality, quality over quantity. there is a lot of bunk kratom that doesnt work out there. Make your product standout in its potency.
PRICES: Do not make your kratom to expensive compared to others. This will lead to ulitmate failure. Try to get the lowest possible rate where your making money.
If it is cheaper, and good, it will sell... If good but expensive it might not be a good business.
You should Advertise it as a legal SAFE alternative to opiates, and way too kick addiction. Put feedback quotes from addicts who used kratom to kick their addiction.
I hoped i helped
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Re: Thinking about opening a new kratom vendor website [Re: technomobster123]
#16615281 - 07/30/12 07:36 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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technomobster123 said: ....One thing that can help get your business a solid foundation is to go local head-shops and ones around town, and sell your product. Give them free samples to handout, and make sure you out signs for your website in their shop.
Im sure you will be able to get a couple of headshops to buy from you to supply their store.....
.....You should Advertise it as a legal SAFE alternative to opiates, and way too kick addiction. Put feedback quotes from addicts who used kratom to kick their addiction.
I hoped i helped
That's one of the major reasons kratom will probably be illegal soon, because of head shops selling the stuff. For a while it was something I was considering, and I could really undercut the prices of the stuff they carry. But when it comes down to it, it brings unneeded attention. I'm all for letting people know about it, if people are curious enough they will cross paths with it.
The stuff is great for some people trying to get off opiates, and it is really safe. It's a good plant with a lot to offer, it's unfortunate that if it's sold in this way, especially with those medical claims, it really brings a shit load attention & bad news. Think of other "things" that heads shops have sold over the years, things that people had known of for a long time then as soon as these things made it into headshops they eventually became illegal. Kratom truly is a safe and benign plant, but if it's being sold it head shops people will ignorantly lump it together with other "things".
It's already happening though., there's already the stereotypical propaganda against the stuff in the media. Some comparing it to heroin & cocaine, and just generally exaggerating as typical. Making it sound like the next salvia or bath salts when in reality it's as safe as a cup of coffee and actually chock full of antioxidants and all sorts of beneficial chemicals.
Do what you will. Just throwing my stoned & tired mind out there.
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Re: Thinking about opening a new kratom vendor website [Re: openmind]
#16615543 - 07/30/12 09:16 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, I don't really have plans to use it that much. I've tried it a couple times and really didn't get much off of it. I don't know that it really fits the description for being made illegal..Its not really like salvia or any of the other things they've banned lately...
BUT I do know how the government is and know that it's still possible. The addiction part isn't an issue, but it would suck to lose the business. I wouldn't just be advertising here. I do search engine optimization and there are other places I could advertise as well. I think i'm going to give it a go. I just need to come up with some other products to sell with it.
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Re: Thinking about opening a new kratom vendor website [Re: PsilliCoder]
#16618587 - 07/30/12 07:39 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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PsilliCoder said: Yeah, I don't really have plans to use it that much. I've tried it a couple times and really didn't get much off of it. I don't know that it really fits the description for being made illegal..Its not really like salvia or any of the other things they've banned lately...
BUT I do know how the government is and know that it's still possible. The addiction part isn't an issue, but it would suck to lose the business. I wouldn't just be advertising here. I do search engine optimization and there are other places I could advertise as well. I think i'm going to give it a go. I just need to come up with some other products to sell with it.
There isn't a certain "description" that something has to meet to be made illegal. The gov'ment & media can spin it into anything they want. You are correct, it isn't anything like salvia, or synthetic cannabinoids, etc...no where close what so ever. It is simply a tree that grows in south east Asia that is a close relative to coffee, it's actually in the same family as coffee, and the alkaloids it produces have mild activity on many receptors sites from opioid to NMDA. But the general public doesn't know this and they have media telling them otherwise.
Anyway, I can keep on ranting but I'll stop, it's just that this plant is my medicine and the bullshit going on right now makes my blood boil.
Do you have a supplier? What strains/varieties do you plan on selling? I do have some recommendations if you want...And some other products I suggest to sell. Maybe some different types of incense & herbal teas. Some other herbs that have great synergy with kratom or are even nice by them selves such as, Kava, Kanna, Passion Flower, Milk Thistle, Turmeric, Nigella Sativa, Ginkgo biloba.
Just please be smart about it! Don't advertise any medical claims or anything that hints towards human consumption. Don't sell the stuff in head shops or on craigslist. Don't sell to anyone under 18. Put disclaimers on the website and the packages you sell the kratom in that states the stuff is not for human consumption. Don't sell to the states that have made it illegal, and be weary about shipping to the countries where it is illegal.
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Re: Thinking about opening a new kratom vendor website [Re: openmind]
#16620957 - 07/31/12 08:00 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wayyyyyy too much typing. Stopped reading this thread like 5 posts ago
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Re: Thinking about opening a new kratom vendor website [Re: novalentinehere]
#16623204 - 07/31/12 03:39 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Some suggestions would definitely be appreciated. I do plan on having Kava as well. I've used this stuff a couple times. I like it. I'm searching around for kratom vendors still as well. I'm looking for some places to advertise as well. I think it could be a successful venture and I would love to bring it to the community at a great price.
I will definitely make sure there are disclaimers and will do everything I can to make sure that it is sold responsibly.
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Re: Thinking about opening a new kratom vendor website [Re: PsilliCoder]
#16623229 - 07/31/12 03:43 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ive been doing this for the past few years, I have a website selling entheobotanicals and I used to specialise in kratom until my best supplier closed 
I can give you a LOT of advice...
What country are you in? My major problem was accepting credit cards, theres not many merchants that will accept you if all you sell is drug plants. Paypal etc banned me...
TBH its way better than working a 8 till 5 but you will put in a lot of extra unpaid work in the beginning as with any business.
You need a high quality/low price supplier first, that is key.
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Re: Thinking about opening a new kratom vendor website [Re: nice1]
#16627549 - 08/01/12 11:05 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Heres some advice, never link the site to your paypal or any other instant pay systems
best way to start is to use paypal for payments but have your customers send it manually and make sure they do not write anything about kratom in the box. paypal can and do ban people for life for selling kratom - it happened to me.
google checkout is ok as well provided theres no direct link to the kratom else they shut you down
Ideally you will sell other more legitimate products as well, then when you get big enuff for a merchant account (to accept credit cards etc) you can make it look like the kratom is only a very small part of the business or not there at all ;-)
Other than that your only as good as your supplier so you need to start ordering samples and finding the best suppliers.
The next problem and its a big one is, getting customers... Google adwords is very good but you need to know the right keywords, dont be spending money on every person that comes from the word "kratom" alone because many of them are not intending to buy advertising cost can easily spiral out of control in any business...
I would opt for direct marketing when you first start. Other websites / head shops can be good if you supply bulk but thats more risk for when you first start the business target individuals, you can go on a forum such as kratomforum that allows vendors to post there but be aware you will need to ship fast and have quality product else you will go down quick. Ebay has probably banned kratom sales in your country but if not... use it and include a link to your website with the krat after each sale.
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Re: Thinking about opening a new kratom vendor website [Re: nice1]
#16705734 - 08/15/12 06:16 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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OpenMind is right. Perhaps moreso than they know.
1- If you market your kratom as anything other than NFHC novelty incense, you are fucking yourself.
2- The kratom scene may be very close to finished anyway. I have heard very recently of some vendors getting shipments of kratom confiscated on an unprecedented scale. I've heard of this starting to happen with mimosa too.
You can really thank all the headshops, and the blend makers (k2 etc) and the bath salt makers for all of this shit. We may soon lose ethnos because people got greedy as fuck with RCs (and occasionally DMT).
If I were you, I would look into this, and if you decide to do it, write up a business plan that operates at a profit within 6 months or so, so that you can cash your chips and run if need be. And DON'T (again, I repeat DO NOT) advertise in an irresponsible way, or not only will responsible people boycott you, but you'll be exposed to a good, hard, legal assfucking.
Be safe. Good luck.
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Re: Thinking about opening a new kratom vendor website [Re: CidneyIndole]
#16708140 - 08/16/12 06:53 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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^ Agreed
Theres someone on this site advertising MHRB as ayauhasca 
I met a guy who opened a website selling DMT kits mhrb lye etc 
Unfortunately its bound to happen anyway - we can't stop the progression of this an inevitable new laws but these rogue vendors are certainly speeding it up and frankly are plain fuckin stupid as they put theirselves at risk, destroy the scene quicker and have built a business model that fucks itself
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Re: Thinking about opening a new kratom vendor website [Re: nice1]
#16709133 - 08/16/12 11:40 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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My thoughts, exactly.
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