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ch1ck3n.s0up
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Re: Wrapping a Smartphone in Tin Foil to Remove it From the Grid [Re: unknown1123]
#17326125 - 12/03/12 11:21 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Fourth Amendment States: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.[1]
My assertion and counterpoint is that the collection of this information is a violation of 4th amendment rights, irrespective of its use.
I agree. I never said otherwise.
I just don't think anyone is collecting the data.
The vid of the NSA whistleblower (posted above) refutes this point.
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unknown1123 said: The question is, what ARE you going to do about it? I assume that answer is nothing. Your little tin foil bullshit is not going to protect you from anything. You think a little fuck named chicken.soup is going to circumvent the NSA if they are actively profiling you? Hell no. Quit wasting your breath on trying to convince other people what you believe and just do you, man.

You'll get no argument from me in that I don't stand a chance against the NSA; but then again, I have nothing really to hide.
I have no interest in convincing anyone to think anything; my interest in this is in making a lot of money.

The reason that I keep arguing these points is that I see this data collection as a very real violation of the U.S. Citizens' Constitutional rights; particularly, 4th amendment rights. I've seen this this issue really coming for years, and the Petraeus scandal seems to have triggered some discussion.
What I do NOT see is how I can profit from this. Where is the money in defending the rights of the U.S. Citizen against data collection by the NSA et. al? Usually there's very little cash on the side of the individual... it tends to degrade into some type of "Not-for-profit" group. 
And, as an aside, I do very much appreciate the insightful arguments from Enlil et al.
-------------------- "Inspiration ~ Move me brightly ~ light the song with sense and color ~ hold away despair ~ more than this I will not ask ~ faced with mysteries dark and vast ~ statements just seem vain at last" --Jerry Garcia, Terrapin Station "Officer, I'm going to remain silent, and I would like to speak with a lawyer. I'm not resisting, but I don't consent to any searches.
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Re: Wrapping a Smartphone in Tin Foil to Remove it From the Grid [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up]
#17326129 - 12/03/12 11:22 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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That vid is hardly a smoking gun. It's just some talking head making claims out of his ass. I doubt much of it is true.
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ch1ck3n.s0up
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Re: Wrapping a Smartphone in Tin Foil to Remove it From the Grid [Re: Enlil]
#17326150 - 12/03/12 11:25 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Enlil said: That vid is hardly a smoking gun. It's just some talking head making claims out of his ass. I doubt much of it is true.
Perhaps, but, even setting aside the government , there is a lot of data collection going on even from a marketing perspective. Think "Big Data." Are there any legal rights of the consumer to, say, see what Google has in their database about our searches and Web sites visited? Do we have a legal right to view their files on us?
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Re: Wrapping a Smartphone in Tin Foil to Remove it From the Grid [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up]
#17326156 - 12/03/12 11:26 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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well lets start a non profit and start making a profit
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Re: Wrapping a Smartphone in Tin Foil to Remove it From the Grid [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up]
#17326158 - 12/03/12 11:27 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Marketing data is not nearly as intrusive as logging emails, but it is annoying as fuck...and there is no 4th amendment protection from it since it is being done by a private company.
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Re: Wrapping a Smartphone in Tin Foil to Remove it From the Grid [Re: Enlil]
#17326179 - 12/03/12 11:30 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Marketing data is not nearly as intrusive as logging emails, but it is annoying as fuck...and there is no 4th amendment protection from it since it is being done by a private company.
Well, in sum, do you see any money in protecting the electronic privacy of individuals, either from Big Brother Google and/or Uncle Sam?
-------------------- "Inspiration ~ Move me brightly ~ light the song with sense and color ~ hold away despair ~ more than this I will not ask ~ faced with mysteries dark and vast ~ statements just seem vain at last" --Jerry Garcia, Terrapin Station "Officer, I'm going to remain silent, and I would like to speak with a lawyer. I'm not resisting, but I don't consent to any searches.
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Re: Wrapping a Smartphone in Tin Foil to Remove it From the Grid [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up]
#17326185 - 12/03/12 11:31 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Of course there is. I'm sure that there are companies that make money producing and distributing software for the purpose of reducing the amount of information gathered about your browsing.
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Re: Wrapping a Smartphone in Tin Foil to Remove it From the Grid [Re: Enlil]
#17326335 - 12/03/12 12:04 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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-------------------- "Inspiration ~ Move me brightly ~ light the song with sense and color ~ hold away despair ~ more than this I will not ask ~ faced with mysteries dark and vast ~ statements just seem vain at last" --Jerry Garcia, Terrapin Station "Officer, I'm going to remain silent, and I would like to speak with a lawyer. I'm not resisting, but I don't consent to any searches.
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Re: Wrapping a Smartphone in Tin Foil to Remove it From the Grid [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up]
#17366005 - 12/10/12 07:44 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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ch1ck3n.s0up said: Don't wrap it while parked in front of your lover's door before you go in--that's just plain stupid.
Words to live by.
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