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War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery! Ignorance is Strength!
    #1670405 - 06/29/03 12:14 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Hehehe...Sorry. I just got done reading 1984.


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Re: War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery! Ignorance is Strength! [Re: silversoul7]
    #1670407 - 06/29/03 12:15 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

check out orwell's "down and out in paris and london"

its top-notch


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Re: War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery! Ignorance is Strength! [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1670408 - 06/29/03 12:16 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I'm at pg 122, don't spoil it!  :wink:


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Re: War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery! Ignorance is Strength! [Re: TheDude]
    #1670425 - 06/29/03 12:25 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Anyway, I was trying to get a discussion going about the book, but wasn't sure where to start.


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Re: War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery! Ignorance is Strength! [Re: silversoul7]
    #1670430 - 06/29/03 12:27 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I never read the book but saw the movie. It was pretty good.


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Re: War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery! Ignorance is Strength! [Re: silversoul7]
    #1670522 - 06/29/03 01:34 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Let them have freedom fries. :grin:


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Re: War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery! Ignorance is Strength! [Re: silversoul7]
    #1670887 - 06/29/03 05:25 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

After I read it that's how I was for about a month. It's part of my thought proces now. In schools how they have a tv in every classroom, I think its right out of 1984. Shit like that. It a fucked up world we live in.


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Re: War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery! Ignorance is Strength! [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1670909 - 06/29/03 05:44 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

rail-gun. yeaaah....except for the fact that TV's are very good instruments for teaching. like when I was in highschool my english prof made us watch michael moore's "roger and me".

wow....so orwellian. and we also had our own morning show produced by students, with pro-recycling commercials...woh...spooky.

of course, i live in british columbia, I guess things are a bit more fucked up everywhere else. like ontario, where students are forced to watch student tv that has ads for junk food.


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Re: War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery! Ignorance is Strength! [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1670916 - 06/29/03 05:50 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I'd consider anything by Michael Moore propagandaish. But at least the telescreens aren't watching you!

BTW, Do you love big brother?


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Re: War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery! Ignorance is Strength! [Re: silversoul7]
    #1671226 - 06/29/03 12:20 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

im reading it right now too.


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Re: War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery! Ignorance is Strength! [Re: smoke6969]
    #1671462 - 06/29/03 02:41 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

yes everyone should read it.
Huxley's "Brave New World" is also one of my favs.

What do you think: Will we end up in Orwell's or in Huxley's scenario (or in none of them?)


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Re: War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery! Ignorance is Strength! [Re: Waldarbeiter]
    #1671709 - 06/29/03 05:14 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Haha, fun question...
We are in the midst of Orwell's, of course. The way language and concepts get distorted, the way history is rewritten permanently to fit the needs of the day, and eventually, the total lack of freedom we are promised to.

Yeah, definitely Orwell, with only a few hints of Huxley.
I've read 1984 quite a few years ago, and it's one of the best novels I've read. Sooo visionary... scary.

Orwell is remembered mostly for that one, but he was definitely a very good political writer as well (essays I mean). Haven't read much of him, but a lot about him. I like the guy...


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Re: War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery! Ignorance is Strength! [Re: Waldarbeiter]
    #1671720 - 06/29/03 05:22 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Waldarbeiter said:
What do you think: Will we end up in Orwell's or in Huxley's scenario (or in none of them?) 



I'm not the Amazing Kreskin, I don't know the future, I don't read minds. But if I had to pick between the two I'd much rather be in Huxleys. I'd take a poopload of Somas and live in the savage reservation. That wouldn't be too bad of a life, not compared to the thought police and being tortured in the ministry of love. :smile:


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Re: War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery! Ignorance is Strength! [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1671767 - 06/29/03 05:40 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

"i don't see how anyone who loves peace can be against this war."

bob jones on the invasion of irak - fall, edit: 2003


Edited by tomatoes (06/29/03 06:05 PM)


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Re: War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery! Ignorance is Strength! [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1672338 - 06/29/03 10:56 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

yeah, I 'd much rather live in Huxley's "utopia", as long as I'm not one of the deltas :wink:


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Re: War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery! Ignorance is Strength! [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1672898 - 06/30/03 03:46 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

aldous: what about the mass consumption of entertainment that dominates our lives, that is definitly huxley


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Re: War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery! Ignorance is Strength! [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1673683 - 06/30/03 12:02 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

you're quite right, there may be more than just a few hints of Huxley...
but IMHO, the Huxley part is just a cover-up, the real (but somewhat hidden, though it gets more visible all the time) nature of the system we live in is Orwellian

as long as everybody seems contented, the systems looks benevolent
but the more people take to discontent or even outright revolt, the more the system shows its Orwellian side
if you think about it, all the technology to turn the world into a truly Orwellian nightmare exists and is being installed as we speak, for the good of all (security, efficiency, etc.)
but the day things turn sour, all of it (cameras in public spaces etc.) could easily be used against the people to turn any democracy into a dictatorship
maybe Americans on this board have an idea of what I'm talking about...


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Re: War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery! Ignorance is Strength! [Re: Aldous]
    #1673705 - 06/30/03 12:19 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

hahaha funny that I read this thread right after I made this parody image...



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Re: War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery! Ignorance is Strength! [Re: Faaip_De_Oiad]
    #1674373 - 06/30/03 05:48 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Manuel Noriega, Saddam Hussien, Osama bin Laden are all very close to Emmanuel Goldstien.

not to mention that our entire economic system is completely communist. The federal reserve prints up money they don't have and it gets distributed to all the politicians friends and backers- meanwhile, every dollar in our pockets gets less valuable by the day. And inflation rates don't match the rate of minimum wage increase.

also, oliver north is a hero and lee harvey oswald shot kennedy

don't even get me started on the CIA- the MKULTRA project is interesting and I think it still continues today with MDMA (kind of Huxleyish, that program is)

And try real hard not to think about all the microwave transmission towers the government owns and has been researching how to use them to manipulate everything from the weather to people's minds

And you better hope they don't start spraying millions of nanobots all over the air that we breathe in without knoing it...

or you could just use meditation and no one will fuck with you.


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Re: War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery! Ignorance is Strength! [Re: silversoul7]
    #1674652 - 06/30/03 07:24 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

top book!

i like that bit from it "do you want a vision of the future winston? imagine a boot stamping on the human face forever" os something like that:P


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