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Krackatus
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#16714249 - 08/17/12 11:03 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I guess what i'm trying to say is, I would very happily live for millenia. Just not as a human. Our brains are too limited. We'd be going round in circles after 100 years.
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Gilgamesh18
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: Krackatus]
#16714293 - 08/17/12 11:12 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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It is certainly possible that insanity and other mental issues could appear after a certain amount of time maybe the biology of our brains isn't wired for longevity?
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#16714303 - 08/17/12 11:14 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: It is certainly possible that insanity and other mental issues could appear after a certain amount of time maybe the biology of our brains isn't wired for longevity?
That happened to a computer system named Blaine in Stephen King's Dark Tower novels. The computer became somewhat malevolent but was mostly just insane.
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Gilgamesh18
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: HB]
#16714310 - 08/17/12 11:16 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Daisy daisy...
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moonrockmushy
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#16714330 - 08/17/12 11:20 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: It is certainly possible that insanity and other mental issues could appear after a certain amount of time maybe the biology of our brains isn't wired for longevity?
See, the issue with that is that by any normal definition you would no longer be a human.
Humans get tired, make mistakes, get bored, have emotions, and die. Without these qualities, it is not a human as I know it.
Sure, you could theoretically have an immortal consciousness, but for all we know, our consciousness may already extend beyond our mortal vessels. You'd be trapping your dulled down overworked soul in a pathetic excuse for a human life, when death would provide freedom and the chance of what you are becoming something else, which is what life is about.
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Gilgamesh18
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: moonrockmushy]
#16714337 - 08/17/12 11:22 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: It is certainly possible that insanity and other mental issues could appear after a certain amount of time maybe the biology of our brains isn't wired for longevity?
See, the issue with that is that by any normal definition you would no longer be a human.
Humans get tired, make mistakes, get bored, have emotions, and die. Without these qualities, it is not a human as I know it.
Sure, you could theoretically have an immortal consciousness, but for all we know, our consciousness may already extend beyond our mortal vessels. You'd be trapping your dulled down overworked soul in a pathetic excuse for a human life, when death would provide freedom and the chance of what you are becoming something else, which is what life is about.
Yea you know thinking really deeply about the ramifications of this technology its a little scary. As others mentioned what if you are not allowed to die sounds like hell to me.
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moonrockmushy
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#16714347 - 08/17/12 11:25 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I worry that the people who make this available "for free" have a control switch so they can turn you off or keep you alive and torture you if you don't pay them back for the immortality.
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Gilgamesh18
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: moonrockmushy]
#16714355 - 08/17/12 11:28 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea I could see that happening or uploading a kind of loyalty virus into you and essentially being made a slave for eternity.
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#16714580 - 08/17/12 12:16 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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It'd be inevitable that this would eventually evolve interconnections between avatars the same way the internet was spawned. Eventually evolving into a hivemind.
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Gilgamesh18
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#16714811 - 08/17/12 01:22 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: Deadkndys420]
#16714829 - 08/17/12 01:26 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't wanna know how I'm going to die but I know I don't want to live forever.
I almost died last year and it felt OK. Your life really does flash before your eyes. World slows down kinda like you're going right near the speed of light and everything just *stops*. You have no time left in the world but all the time left in the world.
I wonder what the rest of it is like.
Even if it's just darkness then that's fine for me.
As much shit as I'm going through right now, suffice to say, there was beauty in it.
No hivemind for me, kthx.
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: Adden] 1
#16715250 - 08/17/12 02:48 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mortality, honestly, is not a given.
There are organisms which live indefinitely-- fungi and such.
You could also think of life on earth with the tried-'n'-true base pairs as a two-billion-year-old superorganism.
To survive is our most crucial drive. I think it would be unhealthy to reject it when the technology and resources exist to smash the goalpost and go to a new field. It's called evolution, buddy.
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BlindSophist said: Mortality, honestly, is not a given.
There are organisms which live indefinitely-- fungi and such.
You could also think of life on earth with the tried-'n'-true base pairs as a two-billion-year-old superorganism.
To survive is our most crucial drive. I think it would be unhealthy to reject it when the technology and resources exist to smash the goalpost and go to a new field. It's called evolution, buddy.
Evolution means natural selection, the old die out to make room and free up resources for the new.
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BlindSophist said: Mortality, honestly, is not a given.
There are organisms which live indefinitely-- fungi and such.
You could also think of life on earth with the tried-'n'-true base pairs as a two-billion-year-old superorganism.
To survive is our most crucial drive. I think it would be unhealthy to reject it when the technology and resources exist to smash the goalpost and go to a new field. It's called evolution, buddy.
Evolution means natural selection, the old die out to make room and free up resources for the new.
Hmm I don't think you fully understand natural selection. If an organism is intelligent enough to develop technology that makes it live longer, this is obviously a biological advantage over those that can't. The longer living organism is "selected." Even if this technology isn't strictly "natural" that doesn't negate the concept. Natural selection has more to do with the survivors than those who die off.
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Celestial Traveler
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: bryguy]
#16715534 - 08/17/12 03:46 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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BlindSophist said: Mortality, honestly, is not a given.
There are organisms which live indefinitely-- fungi and such.
You could also think of life on earth with the tried-'n'-true base pairs as a two-billion-year-old superorganism.
To survive is our most crucial drive. I think it would be unhealthy to reject it when the technology and resources exist to smash the goalpost and go to a new field. It's called evolution, buddy.
Evolution means natural selection, the old die out to make room and free up resources for the new.
Hmm I don't think you fully understand natural selection. If an organism is intelligent enough to develop technology that makes it live longer, this is obviously a biological advantage over those that can't. The longer living organism is "selected." Even if this technology isn't strictly "natural" that doesn't negate the concept. Natural selection has more to do with the survivors than those who die off.
Yes but if this technology is made available to large amounts of people ("commoners"), then those that survive through it will stretch far beyond the few intelligent people that created the technology. This technology would obviously be sold and distributed to people that were not smart enough to create it. Thus the preservation of traits that are not necessarily favorable or unfavorable.
Also not being able to reproduce because you are sticking around past your due date and hogging up the resources that your nonexistent offspring could be consuming does not quite seem to align with the idea of natural selection from my view.
I see what you are saying and you make a very good point but it is just not quite the same. Technology distorts things
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#16715558 - 08/17/12 03:49 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: you think civilians are gonna be the first ones to get there hands on this technology? Its gonna be the world leaders and the magnates of the industry giants. People we really need to have immortality Then theres the societal divides its gonna create between those who think itsa abomination and those who think its the greatest thing to ever happen to humans. Along with the divides it creates between the slowly growing "avatar" population and those who die like everyone else. In a capitlist based system they'll have no problem ammassing much of the wealth and grabbing the reings of power.
Well said. Just what I envisioned as well.
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#16715849 - 08/17/12 04:36 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: It is certainly possible that insanity and other mental issues could appear after a certain amount of time maybe the biology of our brains isn't wired for longevity?
I'd be willing to bet.
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: amontripper]
#16716522 - 08/17/12 06:17 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: you think civilians are gonna be the first ones to get there hands on this technology? Its gonna be the world leaders and the magnates of the industry giants. People we really need to have immortality Then theres the societal divides its gonna create between those who think itsa abomination and those who think its the greatest thing to ever happen to humans. Along with the divides it creates between the slowly growing "avatar" population and those who die like everyone else. In a capitlist based system they'll have no problem ammassing much of the wealth and grabbing the reings of power.
Spot on. It will be the new abortion
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Brain Fart
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Was talking about this with friend yesterday.
Could you still use marijuana and mushrooms if you were just a brain in a cyborg?
Would it work? What would it be like? Wtf
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: Brain Fart]
#16719382 - 08/18/12 08:04 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Celestial Traveler said: Yes but if this technology is made available to large amounts of people ("commoners"), then those that survive through it will stretch far beyond the few intelligent people that created the technology. This technology would obviously be sold and distributed to people that were not smart enough to create it. Thus the preservation of traits that are not necessarily favorable or unfavorable.
We already see this with things like modern medicine and warning labels. Many people who didn't win at genetic roulette when they were developing inside their mothers now live long enough to reproduce. Dumb people have many protections in modern society that keep them alive long enough to raise children.
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Brain Fart said: Was talking about this with friend yesterday.
Could you still use marijuana and mushrooms if you were just a brain in a cyborg?
Would it work? What would it be like? Wtf
I think in Ghost in the Shell they could still drink alcohol, but their cyborg bodies metabolized it much faster.
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