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Re: another mass shooting in states [Re: The_Ghost]
    #16693771 - 08/13/12 02:49 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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the "gunfight," police said




That's something other than a mass shooting.


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Re: another mass shooting in states [Re: biggysmall]
    #16693792 - 08/13/12 02:53 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

This isn't really the same as the other two recent mass shootings.


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Re: another mass shooting in states [Re: Doc_T]
    #16693796 - 08/13/12 02:53 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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the "gunfight," police said




That's something other than a mass shooting.



Oh ok, i didnt actually bother reading the article past the first sentence.


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Re: another mass shooting in states [Re: Humility]
    #16693842 - 08/13/12 03:01 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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i have a suspicion that the government is behind these random shootings to push an agenda... but I'm probably just being paranoid



You're just being paranoid. The gov't could do a lot better than this. Only six people shot and no fatalities yet.






The government is notoriously inefficient and ineffective.  A private military corporation could destroy the U.S. with 1/100th of its budget.


A private police force would be 10X more effective.  Murderers, thieves and rapists (which constitute a great minority of the world prison population relative to non-violent drug offenders or other political prisoners) would tremble.  Every police force would be like SWAT and they would be significantly more honest and less interested in corruption (in a free market where there were true transparency).  Look to the Pinkerton Detective Agency to know what a private market police force looks like.


Look at anything else the government does.  Look at roads: built by private contractors, look at government design of metro areas vs. say the design of roads at Disneyworld or Disneyland.  Inefficient and ineffective vs clean, crisp, enjoyable to drive on and through, and easy to navigate.

Bailouts, welfare, healthcare, mandatory insurance, throwing away perfectly good food due to "food inspectors", agriculture subsidies, forestry management, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.


All of these areas of life are handled exponentially more effectively, for less cost, by private organizations.


Because in a private organization, you get paid according to how well you do, which provides incentive to do better.  In government jobs no one cares about anything other than retaining their job/position, or attaining a higher job or position.  Performance does not matter in government jobs.  This provides a home for sloth like growing indoors provides a home for bacteria and non-desirable fungus.  Further, those individuals who are driven and motivated and outperform their co-workers do not receive any sort of bonus for doing so, and are generally reviled by their co-workers for potentially forcing the standard of work higher and thus lose more of their drive and incentive the longer they remain in their government jobs.




Very well put

Edit: i agree that in most cases the government screws things up when they take over

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Re: another mass shooting in states [Re: The_Ghost]
    #16693843 - 08/13/12 03:01 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

i admitted i was being paranoid in regards to a government conspiracy just threw it out there. coming to election date and all the b.s media articles I've been reading my general paranoia has shifted towards the government.

I can change the title, it appeared like a mass shooting at first , saying there was a guy shooting people near a football stadium with automatic weapons.
and what exactly constitutes as a mass shooting?

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Re: another mass shooting in states [Re: biggysmall]
    #16693850 - 08/13/12 03:03 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I heard that the gov't is also responsible for this year's drought as well as diabetes. Isn't the gov't the first thing people always come to blame when something bad happens?


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Re: another mass shooting in states [Re: The_Aviator]
    #16693862 - 08/13/12 03:06 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

really?

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Re: another mass shooting in states [Re: Humility]
    #16693872 - 08/13/12 03:10 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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i have a suspicion that the government is behind these random shootings to push an agenda... but I'm probably just being paranoid





That was my first thought.  Sounds really crazy though so I dismissed it immediately as well.



There are a lot of people that believe that the Aurora shooting was a false flag but that is laughable to say the least. What legislation has/will be passed since this?

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Re: another mass shooting in states [Re: biggysmall]
    #16693882 - 08/13/12 03:13 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

It's the media fabricating propaganda in an attempt to change current gun laws.


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Re: another mass shooting in states [Re: Love Sex Drugs]
    #16693934 - 08/13/12 03:26 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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It's the media




Three people weren't killed by podcasts.


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Re: another mass shooting in states [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #16693946 - 08/13/12 03:28 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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i have a suspicion that the government is behind these random shootings to push an agenda... but I'm probably just being paranoid




I'm afraid there's just no tidy explanation for the fact that some people out there are just fucking nuts.






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Re: another mass shooting in states [Re: SoreSpore]
    #16693948 - 08/13/12 03:28 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

it could support the purchase of arms for defense. if you read comments in relation to these articles people are strongly appealing to stocking up on protective weapons. the media has been subtly hinting at that too. 
  no legislation will probably be past , but there was media attention during the aurora shooting about gun control.
again i don't really believe the government is behind this it was just an idea thrown out for those to see....

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Re: another mass shooting in states [Re: Doc_T]
    #16693975 - 08/13/12 03:34 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

No no, remember kids its always the liberal media, very important part of your propaganda to include.

Humility- Just who would these private police forces be answerable to? Would their CEO decide which laws they would enforce? Do you have to pay them a fee to respond to your house during a crisis?

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Re: another mass shooting in states [Re: Lynnch]
    #16694624 - 08/13/12 05:22 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

a little more info about the shooting

SAN ANTONIO (Reuters) - A gunman killed two people including a law enforcement officer on Monday after opening fire from inside a house near Texas A&M University in College Station, police said.
Four other people were injured in the incident, and police later shot and killed the gunman, they said.
The dead officer was identified as Brazos County Constable Brian Bachmann, said Scott McCollum, assistant chief of the police department at College Station.
McCollum said Bachmann was shot in front of the house, about two blocks from the university. He was pronounced dead at a nearby hospital.
McCollum did not identify the other victim, a male bystander. The gunman has not been identified.
A woman was shot and undergoing surgery, and a College Station police officer was in stable condition after being shot in the leg, McCollum said.
Two other officers were injured, he said. Their injuries were not life-threatening, according to the City of College Station.
"We had officers respond to a 'shots fired' call," McCollum said at a press conference. "Once the officers arrived, they began to trade fire. The officers defended themselves and called in additional officers."
College Station police officers shot and killed the gunman, said Jason James, a sergeant with the police department in Bryan, Texas.
Police said they do not know what sparked the violence but were confident only one shooter was involved.
The university issued a "code maroon" shortly after noon, warning students and employees that an "active shooter" was in the area west of campus and asking them to stay away.
"Our hearts and prayers go out to the victims and the families," said Lane Stephenson, director of news information services at Texas A&M University. He said the university was unaware if any of the victims were students.
The shooting comes amid national jitters over gun violence after a man opened fire in a crowded Colorado movie theater last month during a midnight showing of "The Dark Knight Rises," killing 12 people and wounded 58 others.
On August 5 a gunman opened fire at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, killing six people before turning his gun on himself.
(Writing by Colleen Jenkins and Corrie MacLaggan. Additional reporting by Lily Kuo and Mary Slosson; Editing by Cynthia Johnston and Xavier Briand)

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Re: another mass shooting in states [Re: biggysmall]
    #16694663 - 08/13/12 05:27 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I live in that neighborhood and heard the gunshots. :blush:


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Re: another mass shooting in states [Re: The Phleg]
    #16696199 - 08/13/12 10:18 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

SAN ANTONIO (Reuters) - A man killed two people, including a law enforcement officer who was serving him an eviction notice at a home near Texas A&M University, on Monday before police fatally shot the suspect in a gun battle that lasted half an hour, officials said.
Four people also were injured, police and city officials in College Station said. The shooting comes at a time of national concern over gun violence after two recent mass shootings.
The dead officer was identified as Brazos County Constable Brian Bachmann, said Scott McCollum, assistant chief of the police department in College Station.
McCollum said Bachmann, 41, was shot in front of the house, about two blocks from the Texas A&M campus, and was pronounced dead at a hospital.
Police identified the gunman as Thomas Caffall, 35, and the bystander killed as Chris Northcliff, 43, of College Station.
College Station city spokesman Jay Socol said authorities were still investigating Caffall's background. It was unclear whether Caffall was renting the home or was being evicted for nonpayment of a mortgage, he said.
Officials said the wounded included a 55-year-old woman, who underwent surgery, and College Station police officer Justin Oehlke, who was in stable condition after being shot in the leg.
Officers Brad Smith and Phil Dorsett were injured by what police called gun shrapnel. Smith was treated at a hospital and released and Dorsett was treated at the scene.
"We had officers respond to a 'shots fired' call," McCollum said at a news conference. "Once the officers arrived, they began to trade fire. The officers defended themselves and called in additional officers."
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College Station police officers shot and killed the gunman, said Jason James, a sergeant with the police department in nearby Bryan, Texas.
A Facebook page listed as belonging to Caffall, which had a photo nearly identical to a driver's license picture released by authorities, included photographs of rifles he had said he had acquired, including a Czech vz 58 assault rifle.
The university issued a "code maroon" shortly after noon, warning students and employees that an "active shooter" was in the area west of campus and asking them to stay away.
A university spokesman said he was unaware if any of the victims were students.
The College Station shooting comes less than four weeks after a man opened fire in a crowded Colorado movie theater during a midnight showing of "The Dark Knight Rises," killing 12 people and wounded 58 others.
On August 5 a gunman killed six people at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin before committing suicide.
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said Monday at a Miami news conference that there should be no change to current gun laws.
"We've now had apparently ... three of these tragedies in a row and I happen to believe this is not a matter of the weapon that is used," Romney said. "It's a matter of the individuals, the choices these people make and we have to understand those kinds of choices from being made."
(Additional reporting by Lily Kuo, Steve Holland and Mary Slosson; Writing by Colleen Jenkins and Corrie MacLaggan; Editing by Cynthia Johnston, Bill Trott and Dan Whitcomb)

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Re: another mass shooting in states [Re: biggysmall]
    #16703167 - 08/15/12 07:30 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/college-station-shooter-caffall-time-bomb-165015049.html


Thomas "Tres" Caffall, the man who police say killed two people—including a Texas constable—in a shooting near the Texas A&M University campus on Monday was a "ticking time bomb," his stepfather says.
"He was crazy as hell," Richard Weaver, Caffall's stepfather, told KPRC-TV. "At one point, we were afraid that he was going to come up here and do something to his mother and me."
Caffall, 35, opened fire as the Brazos County constable, Brian Bachmann, was attempting to serve him an eviction notice, College Station police said. Officers responded to the off-campus house shortly after noon following reports of shots fired, and found the 41-year-old Bachmann on the ground.
Caffall was shot during what police described as a 30-minute "gun battle." Bachmann and Caffall were taken to College Station Medical Center, where they were pronounced dead.
[Slideshow: Photos from the scene]
Chris Northcliff, a 43-year-old College Station resident, was also fatally wounded during the shooting. A 55-year-old woman who was shot underwent surgery and is listed in critical condition. Three police officers—including one who was shot in the leg—were treated for non-life-threatening injuries.
"We are devastated for the families that this SOB killed," Weaver said. "He was a ticking time bomb."
Caffall's mother released a statement late Monday saying her son had "been ill."
"It breaks our hearts his illness led to this," the statement read. Weaver told KPRC that Caffall had not spoken to his mother in several months.
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Though some studies suggest there is a link between mental illness and violence, "the vast majority of people with mental illness are not violent," the University of Washington said.

"The contribution of people with mental illnesses to overall rates of violence is small," an Institute of Medicine study concluded. "The magnitude of the relationship is greatly exaggerated in the minds of the general population."
That's due, in part, to high-profile mass killers like convicted Tucson, Ariz., shooter Jared Lee Loughner, who was diagnosed with schizophrenia following the shooting. And most television characters portrayed as having a mental illness engage in criminal or violent behavior, feeding the public's perception.
But according to Scientific American, severely mentally ill people account for just 3 to 5 percent of violent crimes.
Monday's shooting in College Station came a little more than a week after seven people, including the suspected gunman, were killed in a mass shooting at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wis., and less than a month after a gunman opened fire at an Aurora, Colo., movie theater during a midnight screening of "The Dark Knight Rises," killing 12 and wounding 58.
Last week, lawyers for James Holmes, the suspected shooter in Aurora, told a judge the 24-year-old is "mentally ill" and that they need more time to assess the nature of his illness.

According to Buzzfeed.com, Caffall's Facebook page was littered with posts about guns and politics, and photos of his firearm collection. He also posted regularly on AKFiles.com, an online gun forum.

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Re: another mass shooting in states [Re: biggysmall]
    #16703186 - 08/15/12 07:37 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

well damn, i'm in texas and haven't even heard about this yet. Probably should turn on the news or something.
Sad news i suppose. very sad indeed.


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