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Re: the transience of psychedelic states [Re: weshroom]
    #16696378 - 08/13/12 10:53 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

the whole being powerless to respond to an emergency is something i get.
hes saying its important to plan your trips because if something happens are you really capable of responding logicly?

i was straight up frying when my friends dad walked in the room. better planning would have prevented that... is that something youre prepared to face when youre full on tripping?


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Re: the transience of psychedelic states [Re: sailing]
    #16696497 - 08/13/12 11:20 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I understand, its just as much a part of nature to want to help, carefore, preserve life, heal, do what we feel is needed. Love. Become attached. I love you all.

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Re: the transience of psychedelic states [Re: weshroom]
    #16696521 - 08/13/12 11:26 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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I understand, its just as much a part of nature to want to help, carefore, preserve life, heal, do what we feel is needed. Love. Become attached. I love you all.



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Re: the transience of psychedelic states [Re: weshroom]
    #16696629 - 08/13/12 11:53 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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f one man is content living on the couch in his parents house the rest of his life, and feels each breathe is his full potential or even just doesn't care....




His parents need to throw the bum out, but your point is OK.

Psychedelics work with what you already have, this can be untapped potential or it can just be the world's champion fuckup.  The drugs don't care which it's gonna be. :lol:

If you want to take the next step, can they show you things other than what you already know?  I vote yes, but you gotta tread with care if you want to do THAT dance, 'cause it leads both into the infinite and further down the rabbit hole.

What's strange (perhaps) about these drugs and what MoeJolloy has often mentioned, is how they warp your thinking and bring you into the position of defending them, thinking about them, and procuring (or growing) them.  For mushrooms, this is a STUNNING evolutionary step - domesticating humans for their maintenance, just like other fungi have domesticated ants to cultivate them.

For the user (writ addict even though it's not really physical) they now exist in certain ways solely to serve the drug.  This is a meme-like behavior, and it's not unique to psychedelic drugs - religions recruit believers to serve them, even to die for them.  Many social movements recruit believers.  But few of them reward the users as intensely as psychedelics do - oh god, it's everything you could ever want!

I agree balance is key.  I haven't tripped in 3+ months, but I think about it. :lol:  Mostly I think, "maybe next week."  I find them very useful for certain tasks (writing primarily) but I just love the feeling I get from them.  I KNOW I'm gonna order a PE syringe pretty soon and get busy creating my fall and winter stash.  For me tripping in the winter, in the warm, away from the crappy weather, is a huge enjoyment.

But here's the problem, see, the thing that most makes me want to trip is reading about tripping.  So all you fuckers, just shut the fuck up!  Right now!  Don't make me stop the goddamn car!



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Re: the transience of psychedelic states [Re: Vahn421]
    #16696642 - 08/13/12 11:56 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Just to add one little touch of sauce,
lets say your on the couch with the aid of a psychedelic and inside of the full fathoming realization you are god, one with the universe and cosmic force.... why would you need to get off the couch or respond to an emergency. so what? You are all of it. The gears are just grinding away.




I truly do not understand your question.




Weshroom, if I may pitch in my five cents...What you are referring to is somewhat analogous to the blissful state that NDE survivors reported - bathed in the divine light, all needs, all thoughts, desires, "want"s, intentions, contemplations, questions - all are satisfied before even forming; in this state, an individuality is even impossible since these motivations are the very things that chart the boundaries between the self and the others. Yes, in this state, there are no stimulus for any kind of action and to that extent, I agree with you.

What I would object to is the fact that we all draw these parallels unfairly and unevenly, and our parallels cross somewhere along the way - we fall back on such analogies without realizing that while blissful immaterial state is likely the base form of existence available, the intent of the forces that manifest it spans beyond anything imaginable to our scared monkey minds. In the same capacity, we can say that a newborn is so completed (under ultimate circumstances - fed, cared for, and loved) in his immediate needs, that it has no motivation to evolve, as all the needs are satisfied. In reality, we know it is anything but opposite - as the child develops, he/she obtains modalities previously unavailable in the pre-natal state, inside the uterus.

Psychonauts sometimes remind me of a way too curious unborns trying to pick past the vail of their temporal existence - and in order to keep us developing and not entering their world prematurely, these forces are there to take role of the midwife cutting the umbilical cord (or a silver thread, if you prefer) or, if needed, send some of us back with a blessing or a slap. But it is ability to walk and talk in those worlds that we haven't yet obtained as a part of this transition, shatter our shy attempts at understanding those realms... 

So here is this long noisy rant of mine boils down to this - while laying on a couch ripped on sacraments and feeling like God perhaps is not that far from the truth after all - personal transcendence is underlying force for any earthly accomplishments one can spearhead for, and if one can reach that state through altering their neuropharmacology, then why would we label it as a wrong way and only hardship of struggling with matter by the matter can be accepted as honest and worthy the effort?

I've seen untouchables on my medical seminar tours in India, the lowest cast among the rest, a street beggar would stir away from these fellas... When I looked at them, naked, covered in ash, with years of bad nutrition and poor hygiene imprinted in their eyes and skin, I saw... happiness. Yes, they have not a penny of belongings and not a soul in the world cares for them, besides their dope palls, and tomorrow, their day will be as dull, uneventful and repetitious, but when I asked through interpreter to comment on that, our guide gave a short but elegant answer -"You see the cows wondering on the streets (cows are holly in India)? Do they have a purpose they are aware of? NO! We know their purpose (to be milked and used agriculturally, for example) but they are ultimately at Peace because they have no burden of things, they just are."

Looking at these lazy disengaged cows made me think - yes, we are more than just animals, but is our purpose to leave a footprint in the hearts and minds of those we leave behind, or does it even mater, since one will never come back to reflect on the consequences? You see, this is purely artificial human construct reflecting ethical norms we adopted into the whole concept of self-fulfillment. If the outcome matters not (since we are no longer there to excite or disappoint about it), then why doing any effort towards leaving a material trace is even valuable? Not for the ego - we leave it behind, and there is nothing to stroke there. Not for the others - we will never know what they made of our best intentions (and perhaps, we don't want to). If not these, then for a personal growth? But we need to grow in order to be happier (at the end, no? - through self-congratulating sense of own increased value:cool:), and here I am closing this circle - if sense of comfort and completeness we seek at the end of all things can be obtained via dissolution of ego through psychedelics, then why adhere to a moral cliches of a working ant? Who needs my art, my poetry or my weird songs but my self-assuring ego, looking for a hallmark picturesque moment? Baudelaire did a thorough work on this in his Paradiso Artificialis, so I am plagiarizing here :wink:

Just a thought...

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Re: the transience of psychedelic states [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #16696660 - 08/13/12 11:59 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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What's strange (perhaps) about these drugs and what MoeJolloy has often mentioned, is how they warp your thinking and bring you into the position of defending them, thinking about them, and procuring (or growing) them.



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Re: the transience of psychedelic states [Re: sailing]
    #16696687 - 08/14/12 12:09 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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What's strange (perhaps) about these drugs and what MoeJolloy has often mentioned, is how they warp your thinking and bring you into the position of defending them, thinking about them, and procuring (or growing) them.



yes




Plants invented animals to propagate their seeds. Mushrooms invented people like us so we could burn time on these blogs... Apparently, mushrooms have a hidden agenda, ala mice in Adam's Hitchhiker's Guide, but I just hope we get to find out what kind of "fish" they will be thanking us for at the end :smile:

OK guys, I am just too high to maintain articulated thread of thoughts... Lack of sleep, I guess.

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Re: the transience of psychedelic states [Re: Dr. Fungus]
    #16701103 - 08/14/12 08:01 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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What's strange (perhaps) about these drugs and what MoeJolloy has often mentioned, is how they warp your thinking and bring you into the position of defending them, thinking about them, and procuring (or growing) them.



yes




Plants invented animals to propagate their seeds. Mushrooms invented people like us so we could burn time on these blogs... Apparently, mushrooms have a hidden agenda, ala mice in Adam's Hitchhiker's Guide, but I just hope we get to find out what kind of "fish" they will be thanking us for at the end :smile:

OK guys, I am just too high to maintain articulated thread of thoughts... Lack of sleep, I guess.




I'm with you on lack of sleep.  :peace:

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Re: the transience of psychedelic states [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #16701142 - 08/14/12 08:09 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Damn, bro, you're just asking for MoeJolloy






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Re: the transience of psychedelic states [Re: joemolloy]
    #16701529 - 08/14/12 09:18 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Oh, moejolloy...I wish you would just...believe.

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Re: the transience of psychedelic states [Re: Jvells]
    #16703351 - 08/15/12 08:36 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Oh, moejolloy...I wish you would just...believe.




My friend, first, faith is preposterous. Second, Hope is encouraging. And lastly, knowledge is powerful, given you managed to come to terms with first two.

We need joemolloy as "ravaging atheist" as he already and respectfully is. Who else is going to keep the rest of them kids on this forum from wondering off on a busy interstate while sky-gazing? He is the voice of the reason in the crowd of riveted lunatics and truth-seekers. He is the wakeup call for the spoonful of shady pills you are contemplating, he is the ER doctor checking your pulse before it skips the beat. If anything, he does a better job keeping confused and misdirected from off-ing themselves and earning chance for a fruitful complete lives. He is the Devil without which God would have no shadows to cast. If anything, thank joemolloy from every atrium and ventricles of your heart :wink:



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Re: the transience of psychedelic states [Re: Dr. Fungus]
    #16705598 - 08/15/12 05:49 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Hey thanks, doc.


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Re: the transience of psychedelic states [Re: joemolloy]
    #16705640 - 08/15/12 05:57 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

So let me get this straight.  We are grown to consume this planet?!?  The only true answer must be we were planted by ancient aliens!

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Re: the transience of psychedelic states [Re: FakePlasticSky]
    #16707773 - 08/16/12 01:08 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Shhh... :tinfoil:

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Re: the transience of psychedelic states [Re: FakePlasticSky]
    #16707834 - 08/16/12 01:27 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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So let me get this straight.  We are grown to consume this planet?!?  The only true answer must be we were planted by ancient aliens!

:ancientaliens:



Hahahahaha I love you man, i'm always secretly reading all of your acid posts and looking at your pictures <3 :heart:


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Re: the transience of psychedelic states [Re: Dr. Fungus]
    #16714313 - 08/17/12 11:17 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Oh, moejolloy...I wish you would just...believe.




My friend, first, faith is preposterous. Second, Hope is encouraging. And lastly, knowledge is powerful, given you managed to come to terms with first two.

We need joemolloy as "ravaging atheist" as he already and respectfully is. Who else is going to keep the rest of them kids on this forum from wondering off on a busy interstate while sky-gazing? He is the voice of the reason in the crowd of riveted lunatics and truth-seekers. He is the wakeup call for the spoonful of shady pills you are contemplating, he is the ER doctor checking your pulse before it skips the beat. If anything, he does a better job keeping confused and misdirected from off-ing themselves and earning chance for a fruitful complete lives. He is the Devil without which God would have no shadows to cast. If anything, thank joemolloy from every atrium and ventricles of your heart :wink:







What the fuck lol? I just don't understand how he thinks all of life is just bullshit. Drugs were put on this planet for a reason, much like we were...i'm really sorry but seeing how complex everything is i find it realllly hard to believe everythin just came from DNA multiplying. I think what joe needs instead of just dmt, is a mix of mushrooms & ketamine at once...no idea what it would be like to throw dmt into that mix, but take a high dose of both together and try and tell me you think drugs are still bullshit.

I just can't figure joe out, it's like the dude went so hard with psyches one day, he really did understand the meaning of life and saw the true potential of the mind...& then boom mental overload and he snapped then somehow managed to repress it, then mark it off as bullshit. Or something along the lines of that. The guys obviously smart & smart minds can do crazy things.

I just find it REALLY hard to ignore the fact that everything seems so complex and 'meant' to happen.

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Re: the transience of psychedelic states [Re: Jvells]
    #16715103 - 08/17/12 02:21 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Drugs were put on this planet for a reason, much like we were...i'm really sorry but seeing how complex everything is i find it realllly hard to believe everythin just came from DNA multiplying.




These chemicals are defense mechanisms for plants against herbivores.  Some chemicals kill us, others make us physically ill, some fuck us up and make us temporarily insane.  I don't see evidence of a grand design.  I see a system where we need to kill something to survive, a system where we gather resources at the expense of other living things to survive, and a mental framework that makes us seek pleasure and avoid pain.  I don't choose what feels pleasurable or painful though. 

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I just can't figure joe out, it's like the dude went so hard with psyches one day, he really did understand the meaning of life and saw the true potential of the mind...& then boom mental overload and he snapped then somehow managed to repress it, then mark it off as bullshit.




I saw the true potential of the human mind and was overwhelmed and got scared?  Here's a list from another thread where I detail some of that wonderful potential:

I am God, I was Elvis, I wrote all the college textbooks in the world, I am the child of my high school girlfriend and a famous rock star, my kitchen is the lab where life was first created, I was a slave crawling through the Egyptian desert, I created DMT to give myself hints and clues to my true divinity.  I am a coward alright.  I treasure my ability to successfully navigate consensus reality and enjoy what it offers me - these drugs can fuck up everything I've built for myself if these schizoid thoughts bleed into my sober mind.


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Re: the transience of psychedelic states [Re: joemolloy]
    #16719376 - 08/18/12 08:02 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I get all of what you said with it being the plants defence mechansim...but if it is then how come it can put us humans in laughing fits, give us permagrins, open us up socially, make us rush with euphoria, etc. does it not seem like something more than just a defence mechanism...?

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Re: the transience of psychedelic states [Re: Jvells]
    #16719574 - 08/18/12 09:17 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

How can fermentation of certain plant material make us happy, sociable, want to dance and fuck?  Do you ascribe magical powers and sentience to alcohol too?  What about sugar, that shit makes my mouth cum.


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Re: the transience of psychedelic states [Re: joemolloy]
    #16719758 - 08/18/12 09:50 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Psyches act on 5ht receptors, alcohol acts on gaba...

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