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What the FUCK happened to my Naptha?
    #16681284 - 08/11/12 10:16 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Hi guys, I added the last little bit of some powderised bark that I found in a cupboard into my 2 naptha jars. One is fine, but the other one, it's like the Naptha has completely vanished.. I mixed it up as usual to get the goodies into the naptha, left it for two days to settle.

Now, I'm used to dark brown naptha troubles. No problem, after a clean or two they're good to go.

But this? I'm not sure whether I was sucking out naptha or what. The bottle is completely black. My plan was to suck out what I thought was all the naptha, clean it loads and clear it that way.

But cleaning with sodium carbonate is making no difference at all! All I got is a jar full of black liquid. I can't see a separation line at all! Where'd my naptha go?? What I was sucking off the top of the jar MUST have been naptha, unless it's somehow stuck in the mix (doesn't look like it, no weird layers of goo or anything)..

So, spice extraction wizards, what's the consensus? Chuck the weird mix back into the big jar and add another can of naptha? I don't want to lose what's in the bottle because I'm convinced it's probably got about 250mg of the good stuff in it..

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Re: What the FUCK happened to my Naptha? [Re: mrjynxx]
    #16681295 - 08/11/12 10:18 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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mrjynxx said:
Hi guys, I added the last little bit of some powderised bark that I found in a cupboard into my 2 naptha jars. One is fine, but the other one, it's like the Naptha has completely vanished.. I mixed it up as usual to get the goodies into the naptha, left it for two days to settle.

Now, I'm used to dark brown naptha troubles. No problem, after a clean or two they're good to go.

But this? I'm not sure whether I was sucking out naptha or what. The bottle is completely black. My plan was to suck out what I thought was all the naptha, clean it loads and clear it that way.

But cleaning with sodium carbonate is making no difference at all! All I got is a jar full of black liquid. I can't see a separation line at all! Where'd my naptha go?? What I was sucking off the top of the jar MUST have been naptha, unless it's somehow stuck in the mix (doesn't look like it, no weird layers of goo or anything)..

So, spice extraction wizards, what's the consensus? Chuck the weird mix back into the big jar and add another can of naptha? I don't want to lose what's in the bottle because I'm convinced it's probably got about 250mg of the good stuff in it..

Nightmare!





OO.. I thought of a good idea. Get a BIG bottle of sodium carbonate, and pour the jar of black stuff in it. Hopefully that can dilute out all the shit in the naptha. Good plan?


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Re: What the FUCK happened to my Naptha? [Re: mrjynxx]
    #16681314 - 08/11/12 10:22 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

A nice big mushroom just came and cheered me up about the whole sad situation.


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Re: What the FUCK happened to my Naptha? [Re: mrjynxx]
    #16681500 - 08/11/12 11:05 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Sodium carbonate could help, idk for sure honestly cuz I've never heard of that happening yet. Could you have a leak in the jar somewhere that's letting the naphtha evaporate off? :shrug:

You should post this at the dmt nexus if you can't find any good answers here.


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Re: What the FUCK happened to my Naptha? [Re: Eminence]
    #16681507 - 08/11/12 11:07 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

man i had the same shit happen to my last lb. extraction.  I lost over 10 grams of crystals due to that bullshit.

Where did you buy your bark?  (S.S. by chance?)
How much water you use?  Lye?  bark?  Naptha?

I think the problem may stem from adding the bark to the lye water too soon  (as in before the water cools back down to room temperature).  It also may be due to not using enough water.  Apparently you can get rid of emulsions by adding some salt or more lye to the solution but I had zero luck with that.  I tried freeze precipitating the nasty brown shit and the crystals would not melt cleanly and would leave a nasty residue.

let me know if you post this on the nexus.  I'm a member over there too and I'm still trying to get to the bottom of this before my next tek.


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Re: What the FUCK happened to my Naptha? [Re: acrosstheveil]
    #16681550 - 08/11/12 11:19 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Just acidify it, and then start looking for the naphtha layer you might need a flashlight or something to see if it's that dirty and get rid of the naptha layer, then just rebasify it and add extra lye. Then use more clean naphtha.


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Re: What the FUCK happened to my Naptha? [Re: Eminence]
    #16681865 - 08/11/12 12:30 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Just acidify it, and then start looking for the naphtha layer you might need a flashlight or something to see if it's that dirty and get rid of the naptha layer, then just rebasify it and add extra lye. Then use more clean naphtha.




Cheers dude, sound advice! First time in about 10 extractions I've ever needed advice from the experts! As I've got lucky so far with my extractions (never needed to do anything more than wash naptha before), I'm still a bit of an extraction noob really. Could you explain how I 'rebasify' please?

Many thanks! :smile:


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Re: What the FUCK happened to my Naptha? [Re: mrjynxx]
    #16681885 - 08/11/12 12:34 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Haha I'm not expert either, I just copy what the actual experts do. And to acidify you should check to see if you could get some citric acid, vinegar will work too but with me it seems to pull a little more oils for some reason.

But you might need some pH papers to tell if it's acidified unless you can find a chart somewhere that'll give you exact number on water and acid ratios. Probably won't be hard to find, just get it to pH 3.

Then to rebasify you just add more lye again til it turns black, then add a little more.

Then you know the rest.


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Re: What the FUCK happened to my Naptha? [Re: Eminence]
    #16681919 - 08/11/12 12:41 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Haha I'm not expert either, I just copy what the actual experts do. And to acidify you should check to see if you could get some citric acid, vinegar will work too but with me it seems to pull a little more oils for some reason.

But you might need some pH papers to tell if it's acidified unless you can find a chart somewhere that'll give you exact number on water and acid ratios. Probably won't be hard to find, just get it to pH 3.

Then to rebasify you just add more lye again til it turns black, then add a little more.

Then you know the rest.




Nice one, you're a diamond! :laugh: Have a fantastic weekend!

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Re: What the FUCK happened to my Naptha? [Re: mrjynxx]
    #16681925 - 08/11/12 12:42 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Wait!!!  Before you do ANYTHING, please give us more details on exactly what you did, and how much material is involved.  Sometimes (I hate to say it) for reasons unknown, shit happens from which no recovery is possible.

Before we get to that as a possibility, you've got to help us with more info.  EXACTLY what was done????  Got any pix???

Glad to be of assistance if I can.  You are a KNOWN good guy.  :hug:

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Re: What the FUCK happened to my Naptha? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #16681965 - 08/11/12 12:50 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Wait!!!  Before you do ANYTHING, please give us more details on exactly what you did, and how much material is involved.  Sometimes (I hate to say it) for reasons unknown, shit happens from which no recovery is possible.

Before we get to that as a possibility, you've got to help us with more info.  EXACTLY what was done????  Got any pix???

Glad to be of assistance if I can.  You are a KNOWN good guy.  :hug:

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Many thanks, that's a lovely thing to say! I love this forum, full of proper diamonds!!

Anyway, no photos needed really. I make my extractions by eye more than anything else. As a result, it's a big jar full of quite old Lye/bark mix (quite thick liquid, but it's given me PLENTY over 4 extractions)

There was a bottle of naptha on top, and I added extra water containing the extra powdered bark I had.

I then mixed it over the course of a day, 2 minutes at a time tipping the bottle over end on end.

Then left it 2 days. And came back to the black shit. That's the whole, sorry tale :frown:


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Re: What the FUCK happened to my Naptha? [Re: mrjynxx]
    #16681979 - 08/11/12 12:53 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

too much bark and too little water?  That's what seemed to happen on mine.  I used way less water on my last extraction and got the black naptha.


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Re: What the FUCK happened to my Naptha? [Re: acrosstheveil]
    #16682058 - 08/11/12 01:12 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

How much Naphtha did you use?


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Re: What the FUCK happened to my Naptha? [Re: mrjynxx]
    #16682603 - 08/11/12 03:02 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Nature boy's right. Sometimes there are things that happen that are just seemimgly impossible to work with. But I do think the idea about acidifying it and rebasifying it is definitely worth a shot, cuz as long as the solution is acidic, the goods won't be soluble in the dirty naphtha that you would toss.


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Re: What the FUCK happened to my Naptha? [Re: Eminence]
    #16686322 - 08/12/12 07:30 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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frylock91 said:
Nature boy's right. Sometimes there are things that happen that are just seemimgly impossible to work with. But I do think the idea about acidifying it and rebasifying it is definitely worth a shot, cuz as long as the solution is acidic, the goods won't be soluble in the dirty naphtha that you would toss.




Great, thanks.. I'll give it a go and dilute it a bit at the same time, it's more goo than liquid! Has given 4 amazing pulls already so wouldn't be the end of the world to get more bark and start over..


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Re: What the FUCK happened to my Naptha? [Re: mrjynxx]
    #16686383 - 08/12/12 07:53 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

This thread makes me want to get my ass moving on doing my own changa!

Never tried it period, would love to use my own :smile:


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Re: What the FUCK happened to my Naptha? [Re: GrandfatheredInn]
    #16693418 - 08/13/12 01:43 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

So guys, in the end it's aaaaaaaaaaall good. I left the sodium carbonate washed jar of black liquid all weekend, came back today and it had separated. Gave it a couple more carbonate washes. Naptha is pretty brown, but I don't mind brown DMT..

And there's a FUCKLOAD of crystals collecting on the bottom of the jar. WOOHOO!!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


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Re: What the FUCK happened to my Naptha? [Re: mrjynxx]
    #16693459 - 08/13/12 01:51 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Word. :thumbup:

You gonna clean 'em up or anything when you're done?


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Re: What the FUCK happened to my Naptha? [Re: Eminence]
    #16693992 - 08/13/12 03:37 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Word. :thumbup:

You gonna clean 'em up or anything when you're done?




Not unless it's really harsh smoke or anything (doubtful, I've extracted REALLY dark Naptha where the oils have seeped in and it's usually the best spice!

Anyhoo, WOOHOO!! I haven't had a DMT trip in weeks.


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