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ferrel_human
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Those little guys are all over. But they keep the bad guys in check. I never dare harm one.
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kactus.brand.g
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I harm no spider,and I actually found a brown recluse while at work tonight cleaning. I didn't kill it though,I just scooted it out the door.
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spaceman101
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I never kill spiders except for a recluse. If you ever got bit by them real bad I bet you'd feel the same
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ferrel_human
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Kinda when I was out in the oilfield. I never killed snakes or scorpions. But everyone I knew did.
We were on their turf people.
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kactus.brand.g
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ferrel_human said: Kinda when I was out in the oilfield. I never killed snakes or scorpions. But everyone I knew did.
We were on their turf people.
exactly
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ferrel_human
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Every time I see these little guys it makes my day. Cause all they are doing is hunting and eating and they don't even know much they are actually helping out.
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Bagels
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Registered: 07/11/14
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Praying Mantis on Stenocactus multicostatus. A bumper season for them, they are everywhere and I've had to evict a few from the house. There are green, brown and grey South African Manis. I haven't seen a native one for a while.

For karode a female Cave Weta. I missed some of her whiskers. Descent size one, her body is about 2 inches. The small but deep cave was on Maori land by the sea and I imagine it would of had it uses in the past. I'm still on the look out for a tree Weta and there are alpine Weta here too.
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ferrel_human
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Re: Bugs on Plants thread [Re: Bagels]
#23075855 - 04/02/16 03:13 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Looks like a cricket with legs of a spider. What is it really?
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spaceman101
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Re: Bugs on Plants thread [Re: Bagels]
#23075902 - 04/02/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bagels said:

Praying Mantis on Stenocactus multicostatus. A bumper season for them, they are everywhere and I've had to evict a few from the house. There are green, brown and grey South African Manis. I haven't seen a native one for a while.

For karode a female Cave Weta. I missed some of her whiskers. Descent size one, her body is about 2 inches. The small but deep cave was on Maori land by the sea and I imagine it would of had it uses in the past. I'm still on the look out for a tree Weta and there are alpine Weta here too.
Beautiful Pics Bagels
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Bagels
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The Weta is a native insect which I think is related to a cricket. Rhaphidophoridae family Is what I found when I googled. Weta is the Maori name. The largest ,the Giant Weta (Deinacrida heteracantha) being one of the heaviest insects in the world. I had one as a pet when I was a kid. It died
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Thanks Spaceman.
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modern.shaman
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Re: Bugs on Plants thread [Re: Bagels] 3
#23076959 - 04/02/16 08:20 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Byrain

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spaceman101 said: I never kill spiders except for a recluse. If you ever got bit by them real bad I bet you'd feel the same 
Do recluses even occur in your area?
Unless you live in one of the following area you do not have any.
 Loxosceles apachea - Red Loxosceles arizonica - Olive green Loxosceles blanda - Light Blue Loxosceles deserta - Orange Loxosceles devia – Purple Loxosceles kaiba - Light Grey Loxosceles reclusa - Dark Grey Loxosceles russelli - Blue Loxosceles sabina - Light Green http://bugguide.net/node/view/33527
Additionally recluse spiders rarely bite in their native range.
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Fact: Unless you live in the south-central USA (see map, below), where Loxosceles reclusa actually exists, human bite cases are reported from your area because of the incompetence of those reporting them, not because of actual spiders biting people. In the USA generally, there are hundreds of these cases reported each year, and at least 80% of them are false reports from areas where the spider supposedly responsible does not exist.
"Brown recluse bite" has become medical shorthand for "this patient has a mysterious sore or lesion." In such areas as the Pacific coast states, it is safe to say that 100% of these reports are errors, and the vast majority (perhaps 95%) are not spider bite cases of any kind. It goes with the almost universally believed superstition, "if you didn't see what bit you, it was a spider." In reality, a variety of medical conditions (see this article) cause these mystery lesions, including lymphatic disorders, bacterial and fungal infections, and delayed-hypersensitivity allergic reactions — in addition to bites of ticks and other bloodsucking arthropods.
http://www.burkemuseum.org/blog/myth-brown-recluses-bite-everywhere
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When one finds a habitat that is conducive to recluse spider survival, no matter what the species, one does not find single specimens; one finds dozens of them. For example, a family of 4 in Lenexa, Kansas collected 2,055 brown recluse spiders in their house in 6 months. About 450 of these were large enough to cause envenomations, they saw brown recluses crawling all over the house, the walls, the carpet, in the sinks and bathtub, yet in 8 years of occupancy of that house (as of Sept 2004), no person or their multitude of pets has ever shown evidence of a bite (Vetter and Barger, Journal of Medical Entomology, volume 39, pages 948-951, 2002). Other people from endemic recluses areas like Arkansas, Alabama, Oklahoma, Missouri, Texas have written to me with similar stories. In comparison, transported spiders virtually never establish populations after being moved, the numbers of spiders found outside the native area of the brown recluse are very few yet diagnoses of their bites are hundreds and thousand times more plentiful than are verified finds of the spiders. It shouldn't take a math whiz to realize that the medical community is overdiagnosing brown recluse spider bites. If you truly think you were bitten by a recluse in your home, you should be able to find several specimens in a few days if you look for them. They are NOT hard to find where they prosper.
http://spiders.ucr.edu/necrotic.html
Also, there are no spiders that are deadly even 5% of the time without medical intervention.
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Fact: There is no spider species anywhere that can properly be called "deadly." Obviously, a few people have died from spider venom, but I know of no species anywhere on earth capable of causing death in humans in much more than 5% of cases, even if untreated.
http://www.burkemuseum.org/blog/myth-some-spiders-are-deadly
So in short, don't kill spiders, they are far more likely to kill and eat problematic insects than ever hurt you.
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kactus.brand.g
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Re: Bugs on Plants thread [Re: Byrain]
#23078259 - 04/03/16 08:16 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Byrain said:
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spaceman101 said: I never kill spiders except for a recluse. If you ever got bit by them real bad I bet you'd feel the same 
Do recluses even occur in your area?
Unless you live in one of the following area you do not have any.
 Loxosceles apachea - Red Loxosceles arizonica - Olive green Loxosceles blanda - Light Blue Loxosceles deserta - Orange Loxosceles devia – Purple Loxosceles kaiba - Light Grey Loxosceles reclusa - Dark Grey Loxosceles russelli - Blue Loxosceles sabina - Light Green http://bugguide.net/node/view/33527
Additionally recluse spiders rarely bite in their native range.
Quote:
Fact: Unless you live in the south-central USA (see map, below), where Loxosceles reclusa actually exists, human bite cases are reported from your area because of the incompetence of those reporting them, not because of actual spiders biting people. In the USA generally, there are hundreds of these cases reported each year, and at least 80% of them are false reports from areas where the spider supposedly responsible does not exist.
"Brown recluse bite" has become medical shorthand for "this patient has a mysterious sore or lesion." In such areas as the Pacific coast states, it is safe to say that 100% of these reports are errors, and the vast majority (perhaps 95%) are not spider bite cases of any kind. It goes with the almost universally believed superstition, "if you didn't see what bit you, it was a spider." In reality, a variety of medical conditions (see this article) cause these mystery lesions, including lymphatic disorders, bacterial and fungal infections, and delayed-hypersensitivity allergic reactions — in addition to bites of ticks and other bloodsucking arthropods.
http://www.burkemuseum.org/blog/myth-brown-recluses-bite-everywhere
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When one finds a habitat that is conducive to recluse spider survival, no matter what the species, one does not find single specimens; one finds dozens of them. For example, a family of 4 in Lenexa, Kansas collected 2,055 brown recluse spiders in their house in 6 months. About 450 of these were large enough to cause envenomations, they saw brown recluses crawling all over the house, the walls, the carpet, in the sinks and bathtub, yet in 8 years of occupancy of that house (as of Sept 2004), no person or their multitude of pets has ever shown evidence of a bite (Vetter and Barger, Journal of Medical Entomology, volume 39, pages 948-951, 2002). Other people from endemic recluses areas like Arkansas, Alabama, Oklahoma, Missouri, Texas have written to me with similar stories. In comparison, transported spiders virtually never establish populations after being moved, the numbers of spiders found outside the native area of the brown recluse are very few yet diagnoses of their bites are hundreds and thousand times more plentiful than are verified finds of the spiders. It shouldn't take a math whiz to realize that the medical community is overdiagnosing brown recluse spider bites. If you truly think you were bitten by a recluse in your home, you should be able to find several specimens in a few days if you look for them. They are NOT hard to find where they prosper.
http://spiders.ucr.edu/necrotic.html
Also, there are no spiders that are deadly even 5% of the time without medical intervention.
Quote:
Fact: There is no spider species anywhere that can properly be called "deadly." Obviously, a few people have died from spider venom, but I know of no species anywhere on earth capable of causing death in humans in much more than 5% of cases, even if untreated.
http://www.burkemuseum.org/blog/myth-some-spiders-are-deadly
So in short, don't kill spiders, they are far more likely to kill and eat problematic insects than ever hurt you.
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natedawgnow
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I live in texas and i've seen quite a few of them actually.
I knew a guy who actually had been bitten by one on his leg and his leg literally looked like it was gonna fall off as it had gone necrotic. Around here they hide out in boxes and under furniture and they really aren't that hard to find.
Edit: Also, pretty sure spaceman is from the south so...ya I'm sure he's seen em
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kizatzhaddarak
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We have some spiders here in the Pacific Northwest that have venom that is similar in nature to the recluse.
Some of the ones we try to avoid here are: Eratigena agrestis - Hobo spider Scotophaeus blackwalli - Mouse spider Cheiracanthium sp. - Yellow Sac spider Tegenaria sp. European House Spider.
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spaceman101
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Thanks for the info kizat 
I had no clue the Hobo spider had similar venom to the recluse. It's one hell of a nasty looking fucker too 
Luckily I don't have arachnophobia anymore but back in the day even being 10 ft from a nasty spider would freak me out
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karode13
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I get quite annoyed when this happens too. 
@Bagels: Sweet cave Weta.
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ferrel_human
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Re: Bugs on Plants thread [Re: karode13]
#23163468 - 04/27/16 11:06 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Good to see you back karode. How is everuthing?
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karode13
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Things are good. Just decided to take a break for a while, which I've enjoyed.
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