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angryshroom said:
However, you should not eat the fruits from those cakes.

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i've had this happen many times, it isn't mold, it's nothing more than spores now becoming visible

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Sorted said:

I've had a similar thing happen with a couple of mazatapec jars a while back.. the mycelium was growing along side some patches of penicillium(sp) mold and quite quickly managed to overcome it, leaving nice white mycelium where the mold once was  

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This is happenning to my faery godmother's jars as we speak   She's glad she didn't throw them away.  She was planning on examining it when the mycelium has 100% colonized, to see if there is any left-over contam - if there's no contam, any reason she shouldn't case & eat the fruit?

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i've had this happen many times, it isn't mold, it's nothing more than spores now becoming visible

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Are you using a whole print per jar or something for patches to become visible?! Sounds kind of doubtful.. I've never seen such a thing, or even heard of it happening

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Doubtful? How is it doubtful? The spores you inject into the BRF are black, they stay on the substrate then when the mycelium colonizes the white brings the black out so it's easier to see

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This IS NOT mold folks, if it were mold there's no way the mycelium would beat it, mold always takes over inside a jar unless it's sprayed with something.. this is not mold, it's spores

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Snobrdr311 said:

Doubtful? How is it doubtful? The spores you inject into the BRF are black, they stay on the substrate then when the mycelium colonizes the white brings the black out so it's easier to see. This IS NOT mold folks, if it were mold there's no way the mycelium would beat it, mold always takes over inside a jar unless it's sprayed with something.. this is not mold, it's spores.. and it happens all the time. I've heard so many people talk about this on here, and so many experts say it's just spores and nothing to be worried about.

It is not mold, trust me, this is a common thing to happen on PF cakes.

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Sorted said:

I've had a similar thing happen with a couple of mazatapec jars a while back.. the mycelium was growing along side some patches of penicillium(sp) mold and quite quickly managed to overcome it, leaving nice white mycelium where the mold once was  

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This is happenning to my faery godmother's jars as we speak   She's glad she didn't throw them away.  She was planning on examining it when the mycelium has 100% colonized, to see if there is any left-over contam - if there's no contam, any reason she shouldn't case & eat the fruit? 

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Doubtful? How is it doubtful? The spores you inject into the BRF are black, they stay on the substrate then when the mycelium colonizes the white brings the black out so it's easier to see. This IS NOT mold folks, if it were mold there's no way the mycelium would beat it, mold always takes over inside a jar unless it's sprayed with something.. this is not mold, it's spores.. and it happens all the time. I've heard so many people talk about this on here, and so many experts say it's just spores and nothing to be worried about.

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the size of a nail head to just smaller than a dime.

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neutralizer said:

Why not? Assuming that the mycelium wins out, if you check and make sure they are the mushrooms you are growing, why not eat them

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DSD said:

NO. THROW THAT SHIT OUT AND START OVER. AND DEFINITELY DON'T TAKE PRINTS FROM THEM IF THEY DO PRODUCE, THE PRINTS WILL PROBABLY BE CONTAMMED, AND SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE I'LL GET THAT PRINT AND WASTE A BUNCH OF JARS !

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Doubtful? How is it doubtful? The spores you inject into the BRF are black, they stay on the substrate then when the mycelium colonizes the white brings the black out so it's easier to see

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So you're saying that spores (little clumps of which might just be visible in the syringe, and purple if you want to be pedantic about it) suddenly manage to neatly group into patches just smaller than a dime inside a jar when injected? Even though it mostly runs down the jar from the innoculation point.. maybe you could point out some threads where "so many people talk about this"

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This IS NOT mold folks, if it were mold there's no way the mycelium would beat it, mold always takes over inside a jar unless it's sprayed with something.. this is not mold, it's spores

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Like me and others have said, mycelium is perfectly capable of beating some types of molds. Unless we're all mistaking it for spores aswell. Try doing a search before stating there's no way things can happen.

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angryshroom said:

If this indeed was a mold, which it certainly sounds like, the mycelium will feed from this contamination. It is NOT healthy to eat mushroom fruits which come from a contaminated jar. It is just stupid. Yeah, sure it could be completely overtaken by healthy mycelium...but, that doesn't mean shit. The flesh will/could still contain toxins from the mold.

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Try doing a search? HAHA, listen, i've grown Cubensis out more than 200 times, I need not do a search as i've seen this happen many times.

Spores are microscopic, yes, but when you have black spores in a syringe and inject them at an innoculation point the liquid stays at that point, thus injecting all the black spores into that one spot. That would be why the spot with the black is less than a dime in size in one area! If you used more liquid per jar in that one spot it would be bigger or smaller. This is common sense people, stop being so hard headed.

It all depends on how many spores you use for your syringe, if you use a lot of spores and the syringe is dark, then your black spots less than a dime in size are definatly spores, without a doubt. If you used a 100% clear syringe with no visable spores at all, then it may be mold, but remember 9 times out of 10 the mold will overtake the mycelium and win the battle, this almost always happens inside a jar, doesn't matter what kind of mold it is.

This comes from years of hands on experience people, i'm not talking out of my ass like some of you who just regestered a few months ago and are still on PF jars.

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So you're saying that spores (little clumps of which might just be visible in the syringe, and purple if you want to be pedantic about it) suddenly manage to neatly group into patches just smaller than a dime inside a jar when injected? Even though it mostly runs down the jar from the innoculation point..

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Please, pardon my disagreement, but this is very bad information.

Spores are microscopic. Seeing spores bound together inside the syringe is common, but disperses when injected into your substrate.

If you see black in your jars that is abnormal in comparison to your substrate, always assume it is a contamination.

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Doubtful? How is it doubtful? The spores you inject into the BRF are black, they stay on the substrate then when the mycelium colonizes the white brings the black out so it's easier to see. This IS NOT mold folks, if it were mold there's no way the mycelium would beat it, mold always takes over inside a jar unless it's sprayed with something.. this is not mold, it's spores.. and it happens all the time. I've heard so many people talk about this on here, and so many experts say it's just spores and nothing to be worried about.

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Would you please provide us with a post or a link to one of these experts stating this?

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When my faery godmother injected her PF jars, the water ran down the sides and onto the bottom. This is with 1 cc per jar, with four hole-jars and with two hole-jars. So did the spores somehow manage to cling to the substrate at the precise point where she innoculated, even though the water ran down the sides? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just trying to understand it cause I am new to mycology.

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Why then is it safe to eat shrooms picked from the wild (assuming they're properly identified)? If you just find one and pick it, how would you know if it was at one point a bit contaminated, then the mycelium won and produced mushrooms?

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Snobrdr311 said:
This coming from someone who has only been registered here for 2 months, hah. How many times have you even grown out a PF tek? Maybe once at the very most if that? You telling me this is bad information is like a 4 year old telling me how to drive a car.

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While true that I am fairly new to the Shroomery, I do have the benefit of a formal education in biological science.

Time here does not relate to knowledge, but since it seems to be an issue to you, I have posted over 450 times since I registered on April 26 of this year and have continued to be a positive contributor.

In comparison, you posted slightly over 1000 times since you registered on September 3 of 2001. In my two months here, I am meeting your annual average.

Your assumption that my time here, in any way, relates to my knowledge of mycology is as empty as someone assuming black in a jar are spores.

My disagreement with your opinion was not personal and should not be taken as such or returned with an unprovoked and adolescent personal attack.

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angryshroom said:

Okay.

But, I have had contamination which sounded similar to this. The black mold.

I know what you are talking about with seeing spores, as I have seen them, but, only for a very short time period and they were not as large as dimes!!

 

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Try doing a search?  HAHA, listen, i've grown Cubensis out more than 200 times, I need not do a search as i've seen this happen many times.

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100% clear syringe with no visable spores at all, then it may be mold, but remember 9 times out of 10 the mold will overtake the mycelium and win the battle, this almost always happens inside a jar, doesn't matter what kind of mold it is.

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So you've changed your mind now from "no way the mycelium would beat it, mold always takes over inside a jar" to a 1 in 10 chance that it could.. 

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This comes from years of hands on experience people, i'm not talking

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First of all, you were being in ass in the way you said what you did. You made it sound personal, so it was taken as such.

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Second, my stating that spores show up in PF jars and is often mistaken for mold is not an opinion, it's a fact, regardless if you like to acknowledge it or not. You spouting off about it being misinformation is just plain ignorance.

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Time here, for most people, does relate to knowledge. It doesn't matter how many posts you have as much as it does how much you read in here, either on the boards or in the FAQ's.

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But most importantly, more important than any degree or written knowledge is hands on experience, something that I and many others here have, which is why a lot of people know that black spots in PF jars are spores and not mold a lot of the time.

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I doubt your degree in Biology would of ever taught you that. Maybe with a little experience in growing you too will realise this does indeed happen.

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Ainasko said:

Maybe it's possible that everyone here is wrong and you are correct, but it is very unlikely. Please, show one reference from a reputable source to support your claim that black in a jar are spores. Surely, if it's as common as you claim from your vast experiences there will be at least one source of support.

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Damn man dont argue with Ainasko she rules

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