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Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist
    #1665723 - 06/26/03 10:56 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of Olympia peace activist

JERUSALEM ? Israel?s military prosecutor has exonerated Israeli soldiers in the March death of an American peace activist, the army said today, refuting eyewitness claims that the woman was in line of sight of the bulldozer driver who buried her alive in the Gaza Strip.

Rachel Corrie, 23, of Olympia, Wash., was crushed to death on March 16 while trying to block the demolition of the house of a doctor in the Rafah refugee camp by standing in front of the army bulldozer. The army said the home was being destroyed in an effort to block arms smuggling.

At the time of the incident, members of her pro-Palestinian group, International Solidarity Movement, claimed that Corrie was visible to the bulldozer driver and that her death was malicious.

"When the bulldozer refused to stop or turn aside, (Rachel) climbed up onto the mound of dirt and rubble being gathered in front of it ... to look directly at the driver, who kept on advancing," the International Solidarity Movement said in a statement.

According to the army, military police investigating the Corrie case found that the soldiers operating the bulldozer were unaware of her presence in the area and had no intention of harming her.



http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/135101744_webcorrie26.html

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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: Zahid]
    #1665818 - 06/26/03 11:29 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Fucking human shields, I have been interested in investing in one eversince the KGB put me on their blacklist.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: Zahid]
    #1666059 - 06/27/03 01:32 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

No surprise anymore. Israel can do pretty much anything it wants, and the US couldn't care less. When have we ever done anything in response to Israeli human rights violations other than tell the media Israel shouldn't have done that?





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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: Cornholio]
    #1666199 - 06/27/03 02:18 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Can post a more gorific pic?
There are human rights violations in all countries, Russia, somalia, serbia, shit, I bet the US is having fun torturing mother fuckers for info.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: Zahid]
    #1666599 - 06/27/03 05:40 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Anyone stupid enough to deliberately get in front of a moving bulldozer is too stupid to live, too stupid for words.

The gene pool was improved with her death.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1666607 - 06/27/03 05:50 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

And those who drive a bulldozer and don't give a shit if people jump in front of it are super cool or what?


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: zeronio]
    #1666623 - 06/27/03 06:09 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

No, but not stupid enough to be standing in fdront of one at least.

Face it, the woman was a moron. It's best that she is unable to reproduce.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1666647 - 06/27/03 06:35 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Do you have any children?


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1666665 - 06/27/03 06:50 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

It's funny that this happened in Israel and not in Finland for example. Pure coincidence, I mean... stupid people are everywhere.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1666785 - 06/27/03 09:47 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Do you have any children?


What does that have to do with the fact she was a stupid fuck?


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: zeronio]
    #1666788 - 06/27/03 09:47 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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zeronio said:
It's funny that this happened in Israel and not in Finland for example. Pure coincidence, I mean... stupid people are everywhere.


Yes.... they are.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1666887 - 06/27/03 11:09 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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The gene pool was improved with her death.


Perhaps, but anyone who deliverately murders others shouldn't be in the gene pool either.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: Cornholio]
    #1666892 - 06/27/03 11:10 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

That I won't argue with.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1667701 - 06/27/03 07:16 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

You people cannot say that any1 who deliberatly killed some1 is wrong. We kill to survive, cavemen killed eachother off to survive, we are killing to survive. You fuckin peace activists don't get human nature, we are stonecold killers who will never be stoped. I will kill some1 before I die, I promise you that, I might be killed because of that but fuck it. I live crazy, I die crazy. Call me a psychotic motha fucka, I don't give a shit.

Im not even go say those crazy muslims are bad, or the israelis are bad. They both kill cause they are PISSED. When you are pissed you do what your insticts tell you, you don't do what people tell you.


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    #1667732 - 06/27/03 07:28 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

:wtf:


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    #1667735 - 06/27/03 07:30 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, wtf, I'm asking myself why I wrote that shit.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1667810 - 06/27/03 08:13 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
Anyone stupid enough to deliberately get in front of a moving bulldozer is too stupid to live, too stupid for words.

The gene pool was improved with her death.




A human being died! Does that at all mean anything to you?

Yes, she was in the front of a bull dozer is protest. That does not mean it is OK for whatever IDF pawn was driving it to run over her.

I have alot of respect for her, as she observed hijab and died fighting for the Palestinian cause through non-violent means.

She was an innocent person, who died because the Israeli military has little consideration for the lives of those who oppose them, in any way.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: downforpot]
    #1667812 - 06/27/03 08:15 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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downforpot said:
You people cannot say that any1 who deliberatly killed some1 is wrong. We kill to survive, cavemen killed eachother off to survive, we are killing to survive. You fuckin peace activists don't get human nature, we are stonecold killers who will never be stoped. I will kill some1 before I die, I promise you that, I might be killed because of that but fuck it. I live crazy, I die crazy. Call me a psychotic motha fucka, I don't give a shit.

Im not even go say those crazy muslims are bad, or the israelis are bad. They both kill cause they are PISSED. When you are pissed you do what your insticts tell you, you don't do what people tell you. 




If you try just a little harder, you might get to be a criminal when you grow up!  :rolleyes: :grin:


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: Zahid]
    #1668230 - 06/28/03 12:10 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Nah, marine. Brainwash me, train me, give me an m4, Tell me what do and I'll do it. Kill, murder, blow up. I don't wanna think for myself, I let others do it for me. I am just a tool.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: downforpot]
    #1668330 - 06/28/03 01:30 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Ok.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1668484 - 06/28/03 03:05 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Anyone stupid enough to deliberately get in front of a moving bulldozer is too stupid to live, too stupid for words.

Or too courageous.

You think the gene pool is better served by someone like her who actually got off her ass and did something to help people? Or do you think the gene pool needs more people like you?


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: Zahid]
    #1669047 - 06/28/03 10:36 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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A human being died! Does that at all mean anything to you?




No. She was a stupid fuck.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: Xlea321]
    #1669048 - 06/28/03 10:38 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Or too courageous.



No... stupid is the right word.


Quote:

You think the gene pool is better served by someone like her who actually got off her ass and did something to help people? Or do you think the gene pool needs more people like you?



1. She was an idiot.
2. Yes.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1669054 - 06/28/03 10:45 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Send me a pm when you die pls.
I dont wanna reproduce until your genes are removed from the pool.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: Dava]
    #1669513 - 06/28/03 02:59 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Send me a pm when you die pls.
I dont wanna reproduce until your genes are removed from the pool.




You're a perfect example of those who should NEVER reproduce.

I mean think about it.... since you won't be reproducing with me, what difference does it make whether I'm alive or dead?

ALWAYS use a condom.... for the good of humanity.... please.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1669521 - 06/28/03 03:06 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

if her intent was martyrdom, then i don't think she was a fool, but in that case she doesn't really deserve sympathy either.

i don't think it was what she was going for. she's a fool, but that doesn't excuse anyone from intentionally running her over with a bulldozer.

if i go stand in the roadway, and somebody sees me, has time to stop, but runs me over anyway, i'm an idiot, but they're still a killer.

if it really wasn't intentional, then she's just a fool. isn't there a video of this somewhere?


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: ]
    #1669601 - 06/28/03 03:59 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

You are a soldier, you are ordered to blow up a building, you see children, do you still blow it up? If you don't you will be courtmartialed and sent to military prison for no following orders and if its a fuckin raging battle your own buddy will shoot you in the head for not doing you job.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1669669 - 06/28/03 04:44 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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No. She was a stupid fuck.




I've always been dubious towards you because of your right wing leaning, but this is just insane. You're a fanatic.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: downforpot]
    #1669671 - 06/28/03 04:47 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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You are a soldier, you are ordered to blow up a building, you see children, do you still blow it up? If you don't you will be courtmartialed and sent to military prison for no following orders and if its a fuckin raging battle your own buddy will shoot you in the head for not doing you job.




Most people with a soul would sacrifice a prison sentence (and probably a light one) rather then murdering innocent children.


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    #1669779 - 06/28/03 05:58 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

if you are a soldier and are given an order which would be illegal to carry out, you MUST refuse it or be courtmartialed.

wanton destruction of buildings and civilians can in many circumstances be a violation of international laws and treaties. in those situations, if you recieved such an order, you as a soldier would have to refuse it.

people think that soldiers must follow orders or face consequences. that's not always the case. for instance, if your commanding officer ordered you to execute the POWs you just captured, following his order, not refusing it, would land you in the brig.

refusing an order just because you're afraid, even an order which will no doubt get you killed, is subject to court martial.

during vietnam, 600 or so officers were 'fragged' by their subordinates because they were giving dangerous orders.


in war, civilians die. they die even in the course of battle within the confines of international law and the rules of war. if you are a soldier given an order which will undoubtedly kill civilians, but is not considered illegal, you're in a tough spot.

in most wars, the civilian death toll is greater than the death toll of soldiers. war is nasty.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: Zahid]
    #1670019 - 06/28/03 08:39 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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I've always been dubious towards you because of your right wing leaning, but this is just insane. You're a fanatic.





Main Entry: fa?nat?ic
Pronunciation: f&-'na-tik
Variant(s): or fa?nat?i?cal /-ti-k&l/
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin fanaticus inspired by a deity, frenzied, from fanum temple -- more at FEAST
Date: 1550
: marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion
- fanatic noun
- fa?nat?i?cal?ly /f&-'na-ti-k(&-)lE/ adverb
- fa?nat?i?cal?ness /-k&l-n&s/ noun





No, sorry, it doesn't fit.

I've often thought you were one though.

Who would've guessed?


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1670041 - 06/28/03 08:53 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)


fanatic

\Fa*nat"ic\, a. [L. fanaticus inspired by divinity, enthusiastic, frantic, fr. fanum fane: cf. F. fanatique. See Fane.] Pertaining to, or indicating, fanaticism; extravagant in opinions; ultra; unreasonable; excessively enthusiastic, especially on religious subjects; as, fanatic zeal; fanatic notions.

Your idea of what is a 'fanatic' is very narrow.

Me? A fanatic? Heh... If I'm a fanatic, then just about everyone here who isn't a pawn for the Republican party would be deemed a 'fanatic'.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: Zahid]
    #1670067 - 06/28/03 09:02 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

It wasn't my definition. It's Merriam Websters.

Quote:

If I'm a fanatic, then just about everyone here who isn't a pawn for the Republican party would be deemed a 'fanatic'.



Everyone? No, but many.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1670071 - 06/28/03 09:06 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Fanatics aren't confined to religious groups, you're living proof. My definition is simply that of Dictionary.com. Death to you, is meaningless in your zeal. You're a fanatic.

I am not.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: Zahid]
    #1670097 - 06/28/03 09:16 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

If you say so.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1670103 - 06/28/03 09:20 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

At least kick up a little dirt.

You always seem to back out with some blunt one-line comment.

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    #1670149 - 06/28/03 09:48 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Indifference = Fanaticism?

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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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    #1670442 - 06/29/03 12:33 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Indifference = Fanaticism?

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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: Zahid]
    #1670981 - 06/29/03 07:49 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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At least kick up a little dirt.

You always seem to back out with some blunt one-line comment.

But hey, I guess so.




Back out? No, but when the discussion heads towards a "are too", "am not" type of discussion.... what's the point?


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: zeronio]
    #1671335 - 06/29/03 01:35 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Take a look at this:
http://www.cnni.co.uk/resources/video.almanac/1989/tiananmen/tianamen.tanks.large.27sec.mov

Another stupid fuck, I guess...



I've been aware of that since it happened.

You can show me as many examples of people standing in front of tanks, bulldozers, or any other object capable of crushing you as you like.

If you, or anyone else chooses to do so, my response will not change.

It takes a incredibly stupid fuck to do so. Period.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1671572 - 06/29/03 03:48 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

You *know* she tried to get out of the way, having believed the dozer would stop, but tripped and fell, right? Are you disagreeing with the right to take direct protest actions?


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    #1671580 - 06/29/03 03:53 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

To me she was a traitor anyway. I don't care if you disagree with policy or not, don't burn the flag. Try to change what it is you don't agree with. The flag represents everyone in America, not just the government. You do have the right to do this if you want. Try it in my front yard and see what happens.

If you are dumb enough to go to the most troubled place in the world, and stand in front of a charging bull dozer, you deserve a Darwin award.


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    #1671601 - 06/29/03 04:03 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

You allow your self and your peers to be symbolized by a flag? Is it ok to burn different kinds of flags in America? Burning the flag is a symbol of dissent. Something breaking away from a unified, homogenous mass.

I encourage flag burning where it is warranted, and hope others will too.


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    #1671604 - 06/29/03 04:05 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Uh oh, the patriotism argument. The last resort, intended to intimidate and leave no room for counterpoint. Fuck that.

1) What are you talking about with burning the flag?
2) In any case, burning the flag is a *right* that is in no way connected to being a traitor. BEing a traitor is doing things like selling nuclear secrets to the chinese, or allowing planes to crash into tall buildings.
3) She was there because of her convictions that the Palestinians were suffering badly, and she wished to help them. The International Solidarity Movement, which she was part of, in case you missed it either won or was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. They are bringing public attention to the issue - they are newsmakers - and as such they do a good job. Stupidity is in no way involved. Stupidity is buying one side of the argument to the exclusion of the other.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: somebodyelse]
    #1671689 - 06/29/03 05:03 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Are you disagreeing with the right to take direct protest actions?



I could be wrong here as I'm not 100% familiar with the rights of the Palestinians and people on their soil, but I'm not aware of a right to protest in the Middle East.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1672003 - 06/29/03 08:21 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Man you dodge just about every direct question I throw to you.

Let's use Hitler, since he's such a strong case that we can all agree on. If you lived at the time, and perceived that he was causing misery to, say, the Jews in Warsaw, and decided to go to Warsaw as part of a protest organization to help alleviate the suffering by drawing world and thus political attention to the fucked-uppedness of the reality of the situation, then wouldn't you be justified? How is what she did any different? Whether or not they had "rights" to protest in Warsaw in irrelevant; it is a fundamental right (freedom) to be able to protest, and draw attention to, that which you perceive to be unjust and/or fucked up.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: somebodyelse]
    #1672019 - 06/29/03 08:29 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I don't dodge any of your questions. You just don't like the answers.

I wouldn't be stupid enough to go to Warsaw and protest against Hitler. I like living.

If you're so convinced you have a fundemental right to protest where-ever you like, go to Iran and protest against the rulers.

Or to Zimbabwe and protest against the land being taken from those who have farmed it for years.

Or perhaps to the Sudan to protest against slavery.

How is what she did different? I'm amazed I have to explain this to you but she stood in front of a moving piece of equipment weighing several tons.

What may be a right in some countries is a death or prison sentence in many more.

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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1672045 - 06/29/03 08:44 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

She was a human rights worker. She was changing the system in her own way. Me, I'm happy doing my thing here; I am not driven towards the human rights movement. I think she was incredibly brave to choose her path, if you like. I don't think she was stupid, and I think to call her stupid betrays a lack of understanding of her motivations.

And, again, she didn't stand in front of the bulldozer until she was crushed. She tried to get out of the way when she saw that the bulldozer wasn't going to stop, and was crushed. It is a tried and tested tactic among human rights workers (one of whose primary functions is to work as newsmakers) to stand in front of tanks, bulldozers, etc, and force them to stop. Unfortunately in this case the soldier driving the bulldozer didn't follow the usual pattern - either he was a fanatic, or he was asleep at the wheel. You can't blame her for his problems.



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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: somebodyelse]
    #1672046 - 06/29/03 08:46 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

You can explain what she did any way you wish

It was stupid.

The world is a better place with less stupid people.

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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1672055 - 06/29/03 08:54 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

You're one stubborn ass. But that's OK.

No I don't mean on this site. I'm on this site to exchange views and obtain as accurate a picture of reality as is achievable. Being agnostic as most of the left are, I'm open to fresh ideas, each of which I evalutate on its own merit. Having no core ideology, if you present me with a logical argument on some issue, I'll change my mind. I do object to the dogma which many of the right seem to carry around, and which you seemingly try to beat onto others with a stick.

So again, why not address the point, rather than just repeating yours ad infinitum?


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: somebodyelse]
    #1672061 - 06/29/03 08:57 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I've addressed the point a ridiculous number of times here in this thread and in another on this very subject.

If it's not plain to you I'm not sure what else I can add that would make it so.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: somebodyelse]
    #1672083 - 06/29/03 09:09 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Here, I thought I'd save you the trouble...

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Yup he wasS STUPID.

You must see the difference between standing in front of a moving tank and a soldier getting killed while fighting.

Standing up for your beliefs when there is a chance you might make a difference is brave.

Standing up for your beliefs when there is no chance you might make a difference is stupid.

Standing in front of a moving tank or bulldozer is stupidity, pure and simple.

There are better ways to work for change. If they were still here, they could work for change. How many remember the name of the guy in the square? How many will remember the name of the woman who stood in front of the bulldozer, two weeks from now?

If you give your life piulling someone from a burning car, that's brave.
If you climb into a burning car to make a point, that's stupid.





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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1672097 - 06/29/03 09:17 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you. I thought I addressed that point, so I'm wondering why you were repeating yourself. OK, let me try to present an answer to your dilemma in slightly different terms.

If you see somebody getting mugged in the middle of a desert by forty thieves on horseback, your best bet if you want to help ther person is to hide until the thieves have disappeared, and then see what can be done.

If you see somebody being mugged by forty thieves in the middle of a crowded public arena, and you perceive that the public's attention is not on the mugging, your best bet towards helping that person is to draw the attention to the incident in some manner or another.

With Palestine, as I've said in two other threads, the American public's attention is squarely on the Israeli side. Because of the way our news operates, we believe we have the whole picture, whereas in general there is an Israeli bias. We certainly rarely if ever have a Palestinian bias in our media.

These solidarity movements believe that with their presence in the location, they can draw attention to the problem. I see this as a legitimate form of working to improve the situation.

To stand in front of a tank in the desert when nobody is watching is stupid. When the eyes of the world are on you, your action leaves an indebible imprint in the minds of the world. I'm sure most of us can picture that chinese student standing in Tianemmon square, and that our views of China are partly shaped by that image. His action was thus powerful.

Her action was also powerful.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: somebodyelse]
    #1672100 - 06/29/03 09:19 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

You're not going to sway me on this.

She was stupid.

The world needs less stupid people.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1672102 - 06/29/03 09:20 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Was the chinese student stupid, also?


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: somebodyelse]
    #1672115 - 06/29/03 09:28 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

You're making it difficult to be polite. Go read the link I provided, then give this a rest.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1672174 - 06/29/03 09:52 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I'm just pressing for an explanation from you deeper than "anybody who stands in front of a tank or bulldozer is stupid." My point was that it entirely depends on the context, and your response to my point seems to be "well, she was stupid." As much as I'd like to be able to read your mind to understand why you think she was stupid, I can't - as I see it the context of the situation is one which requires a different word than "stupid" to explain her actions. Clear enough for you?

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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: somebodyelse]
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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1672752 - 06/30/03 01:51 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

She was stupid

Was Oskar Schindler stupid for risking his life to save some jews? Certainly made a lot more sense not to do it.


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    #1672828 - 06/30/03 02:45 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Yes. Anyone who takes a risk is stupid. All soldiers since the beginning of time were stupid.

Firemen are stupid too.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1672849 - 06/30/03 02:59 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Noooo.... those who went to fight and risk their lives in Iraq to provide cheap gas for Luvs SUV were not stupid. :lol:


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    #1672853 - 06/30/03 03:04 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

LUV drives a SUV?


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    #1672862 - 06/30/03 03:12 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Can you imagine him driving a Yugo?


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    #1672954 - 06/30/03 04:28 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Nah, he's a BMW kinda guy. The kind who always cuts you off at the exit.


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    #1672957 - 06/30/03 04:30 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah good point Baby Hitler. LDS, do firemen relinquish their right to be here ("the world needs less stupid people") because of their stupidity also?


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    #1673320 - 06/30/03 07:47 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Was Oskar Schindler stupid for risking his life to save some jews?



I don't remember him standing in front of a moving bulldozer.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1673321 - 06/30/03 07:49 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes. Anyone who takes a risk is stupid. All soldiers since the beginning of time were stupid.

Firemen are stupid too.



Actually those who risk their lives to save others are admirable.

Those who risk their lives to save an object by standing in front of a bulldozer are stupid.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: zeronio]
    #1673322 - 06/30/03 07:49 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Noooo.... those who went to fight and risk their lives in Iraq to provide cheap gas for Luvs SUV were not stupid. :lol: 



How true.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1673323 - 06/30/03 07:50 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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LUV drives a SUV?



I have three. And a motorcycle. So keep that cheap gas flowing.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: zeronio]
    #1673326 - 06/30/03 07:51 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Can you imagine him driving a Yugo?



No. They were one of the biggest pieces of crap ever made. The Yugoslovians should be ashamed of themselves.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: somebodyelse]
    #1673329 - 06/30/03 07:52 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Nah, he's a BMW kinda guy. The kind who always cuts you off at the exit.



Actually I buy American.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: somebodyelse]
    #1673334 - 06/30/03 07:56 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah good point Baby Hitler. LDS, do firemen relinquish their right to be here ("the world needs less stupid people") because of their stupidity also?



It's a shame you only see what you wish. I guess you missed this.....
If you give your life pulling someone from a burning car, that's brave. If you climb into a burning car to make a point, that's stupid.
I guess that explains the quality of your posts though. You must be a victim of the American public school system. Either that or one at least as poorly run.

My condolences to the grey matter in your head. Give it a little exercise, maybe that will help.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1673398 - 06/30/03 08:40 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

The problem is that nobody would expect that bulldozer wouldn't stop if you stand in front of him - even the chinese tanks stopped in front of that student. The person to blame here is the bulldozer driver & his bosses, not the girl who got killed.

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I guess that explains the quality of your posts though. You must be a victim of the American public school system. Either that or one at least as poorly run.




Your teachers must be really proud of you. You were probably the best in the "How to throw insults when you run out of arguments" class.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: zeronio]
    #1673405 - 06/30/03 08:43 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

No, it was the fault of that girl and her defective genes.

And I never run out of arguements. (or insults)

Especially when you guys make it as easy as you do.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: somebodyelse]
    #1673576 - 06/30/03 10:58 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Uh oh, the patriotism argument. The last resort, intended to intimidate and leave no room for counterpoint. Fuck that.

1) What are you talking about with burning the flag?
2) In any case, burning the flag is a *right* that is in no way connected to being a traitor. BEing a traitor is doing things like selling nuclear secrets to the chinese, or allowing planes to crash into tall buildings.
3) She was there because of her convictions that the Palestinians were suffering badly, and she wished to help them. The International Solidarity Movement, which she was part of, in case you missed it either won or was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. They are bringing public attention to the issue - they are newsmakers - and as such they do a good job. Stupidity is in no way involved. Stupidity is buying one side of the argument to the exclusion of the other.




I know it is uncool to be patriotic, but tough shit. I love this country. I said burning the flag is a right everyone has. I personaly find it disgusting, and if someone tried it my yard they would have a nice surprise from my baseball bat.

I understand she was doing what she thougt was correct, I just happen to disagree with her. I also think that yes she was stupid as hell to stand in front of the bull dozer. She should have known that she was not in America anymore. These people have been fighting each other for years. They aren't going to stop for some girl standing in the way. I think what the driver did was wrong, but I would not have tested him.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: shakta]
    #1673678 - 06/30/03 12:00 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

If I ever burn a flag in someone's yard, I'll be sure to kill them in their sleep first.



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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1673843 - 06/30/03 01:30 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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If I ever burn a flag in someone's yard, I'll be sure to kill them in their sleep first.



Thanks,

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Good idea! :grin: 


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: Zahid]
    #1676149 - 07/01/03 06:14 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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I have alot of respect for her, as she observed hijab and died fighting for the Palestinian cause through non-violent means.




Are you sure that she was wearing her hijab when she was killed? It wouldn't do any good for the palestinian cause if she was just an american kafir, or even worse, a mushrik. You know about mushrikeen, those people (like me for example) that the Quran says you should kill anytime, anywhere? Isn't it time to revise that stupid book?



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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1677083 - 07/01/03 03:40 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not aware of a right to protest in the Middle East

i think people everywhere have a right to protest. i find this truth to be self evident..

whether or not the local government recognizes this right, i'm not sure of.


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    #1677361 - 07/01/03 06:08 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

The difference being a constitutional right.

And we aren't generally killed, beaten, and tortured for doing so.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1677659 - 07/01/03 08:25 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Are you sure that she was wearing her hijab when she was killed? It wouldn't do any good for the palestinian cause if she was just an american kafir, or even worse, a mushrik. You know about mushrikeen, those people (like me for example) that the Quran says you should kill anytime, anywhere? Isn't it time to revise that stupid book?




Get out of the politics forum if you're going to act like jackass.

Most female activists who travel to the Palestinian areas observe hijab out of common courtesy to the locals, who are mostly Muslim. As for the rest, read a book you fucking ingrate.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: zeronio]
    #5580055 - 05/02/06 03:05 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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It's funny that this happened in Israel and not in Finland for example. Pure coincidence, I mean... stupid people are everywhere.





Someone deliberatly running over someone with a government-commanded bulldozer doesn't happen in Finland.

If it did, the Finish government would get shit for it, unlike the Israeli government.

If a cop purposely ran over a peaceful protester here they would get shit for it too.


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Re: Israeli soldiers exonerated in death of peace activist [Re: ke1n]
    #5581851 - 05/02/06 05:34 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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It's funny that this happened in Israel and not in Finland for example. Pure coincidence, I mean... stupid people are everywhere.





Someone deliberatly running over someone with a government-commanded bulldozer doesn't happen in Finland.

If it did, the Finish government would get shit for it, unlike the Israeli government.

If a cop purposely ran over a peaceful protester here they would get shit for it too.




You bumped a 3 year old thread to print a lie? HE COULDN'T SEE THE FUCKING IDIOT. I work on construction sites. I am very wary around machines BECAUSE THE OPERATORS CAN'T SEE YOU ALL THE TIME. I can almost guarantee you that someone was killed in Finland by a piece of heavy machinery in the last year. Probably several. Probably none deliberately, as in the case of St. Pancake, the patron St. of useful idiots.


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