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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: teknix]
    #16648186 - 08/05/12 04:01 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Of course not, but one can certainly form an opinion about another person's character, intelligence, wit, and courtesy by the way in which a person posts on the forums...

If someone likes a particular post, they cant +1 it...

If they don't like it, rating based on it is kinda silly...You'd be writing an awful lot of reviews...and editing them a lot...


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: Enlil]
    #16648210 - 08/05/12 04:04 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I think the only thing I have ever had to go on to give anyone a good rating is by what they post. So obviously it is all based on the posts rather then the poster from this angle.


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: teknix] * 1
    #16648218 - 08/05/12 04:06 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you for reminding me to rate you accordingly. :highfive:


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #16648230 - 08/05/12 04:08 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, it did sound whiney :P


Edited by teknix (02/18/13 07:55 PM)


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: teknix] * 2
    #16648263 - 08/05/12 04:14 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I've read enough of your posts to be able to form the opinion that you're an incredible whine-ass.


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #16648273 - 08/05/12 04:16 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

So the posts sound whiney huh?

:lol:


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: teknix]
    #16648277 - 08/05/12 04:16 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Incredibly.


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: teknix]
    #16648285 - 08/05/12 04:18 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Matt was better name then GeoMcCheeseburgers, rofl did someone take Matt from you?


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: teknix] * 1
    #16648345 - 08/05/12 04:28 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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You can't rate me, you don't even know me. You guys try to make this personal when there is nothing personal to rate. So what are you basing that rating on Matt?

Enlil, What does the law say about making false accusations against someone that isn't true? Don't they call it slander or something?



The law protects freedom of speech.  Opinions are not a basis for a defamation suit unless the opinion is such that a reasonable person would believe it is based on facts.


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: Enlil]
    #16648380 - 08/05/12 04:35 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Freedom of speech doesn't include harassment does it? What if you call a police officer a "stupid motherfucking pig" to his face? Does he have any legal grounds to arrest you? Or does that fall under freedom of speech?


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: teknix]
    #16648443 - 08/05/12 04:44 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Verbal abuse is the use of words to cause harm to the person being spoken to. It is difficult to define and may take many forms. Similarly, the harm caused is often difficult to measure. The most commonly understood form is name-calling. Verbal abuse may consist of shouting, insulting, intimidating, threatening, shaming, demeaning, or derogatory language, among other forms of communication.

Perpetrators of verbal abuse often misuse their authority and prey on those in a subordinate position. Victims of verbal abuse are often told they are to blame for the abuser's behavior and reluctant to take action to end the abuse. Verbal abuse may lead to stress, depression, physical ailments, and other damage.
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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: teknix] * 1
    #16648503 - 08/05/12 04:52 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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What if you call a police officer a "stupid motherfucking pig" to his face? Does he have any legal grounds to arrest you? Or does that fall under freedom of speech?



He cannot arrest you for that...and profanity is protected speech.


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: Enlil]
    #16648640 - 08/05/12 05:17 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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What if you call a police officer a "stupid motherfucking pig" to his face? Does he have any legal grounds to arrest you? Or does that fall under freedom of speech?



He cannot arrest you for that...and profanity is protected speech.




I dunno . . . Seems like it is dependent upon jurisdiction you could be arrested for disorderly conduct:

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A criminal disorderly conduct charge can include action or offenses such as:

    Abusive Language
    Acting in an Unreasonable Manner
    Altercations in Public Places
    Boisterous Behavior
    Creating a Pubic Hazard
    Creating a Dangerous or Physically Offensive Condition
    Creating a Disturbance
    Criminal Defamation
    Crowding or Jostling People Unnecessarily
    Crimes Against Public Order
    Disregarding a lawful order
    Disorderly Persons
    Disrupting Religious Services
    Disturbing the peace
    Engaging in Illegal Business
    Fighting
    Harassment
    Hazing
    Inciting
    Intentionally Causing Inconvenience, Annoying, or Alarm
    Interfering with Airport Security
    Interfering with Lawful Activity
    Loitering
    Maintaining a Disorderly House
    Noxious or Unreasonable Smells or Odors
    Obscene Gestures or Language
    Obstructing Traffic
    Panhandling
    Peeping
    Public Disruption
    Public Drunkenness
    Public Inconvenience
    Prostitution
    Refusal to Disperse
    Refusing to Support your Family
    Recklessly Creating a Public Risk
    Resisting Arrest
    Squatting
    Threats to Public Safety
    Trespassing
    Unlawful Assembly
    Unreasonable Noise
    Vandalism
    Verbal Abuse or Threatening
    and much more…
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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: teknix]
    #16648656 - 08/05/12 05:22 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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The fighting-words doctrine was first articulated in Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, 315 U.S. 568 (1942). Chaplinsky was convicted of violating a New Hampshire statute that prohibited the use of offensive, insulting language toward persons in public places after making several inflammatory comments to a city official. The Court, in upholding the statute as constitutional, set down those famous words:

There are certain well-defined and narrowly limited classes of speech, the prevention and punishment of which have never been thought to raise any constitutional problem. These include the lewd and obscene, the profane, the libelous, and the insulting or "fighting" words β€” those which by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace. It has been well observed that such utterances are no essential part of any exposition of ideas, and are of such slight social value as a step to truth that any benefit that may be derived from them is clearly outweighed by the social interest in order and morality.
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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: teknix]
    #16648684 - 08/05/12 05:27 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Do what I did. Opt out. Problem solved.


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: teknix]
    #16648685 - 08/05/12 05:28 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

This is another example of you looking for bits and pieces that support your thesis...

First Amendment doctrine is convoluted, but cussing someone out is generally protected...And cussing a cop out during a traffic stop certainly is. 

I'm not going to go over all of the contours of the "fighting words" doctrine here...it's not relevant to the thread.

In fact...none of this first amendment talk is relevant to this thread.


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: Icelander]
    #16648767 - 08/05/12 05:41 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Do what I did. Opt out. Problem solved.




I like to be able to counter the hazing ^.^

NP, Enlil.

BTW, an ad hominem is usually defined as an attack rather then a compliment. :wink:

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It doesn't matter if you're saying "This dude is a smart guy" or "this dude is very rude"...both are ad hominem...





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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: Enlil]
    #16649819 - 08/05/12 08:42 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Enlil said:
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teknix said:
You can't rate me, you don't even know me. You guys try to make this personal when there is nothing personal to rate. So what are you basing that rating on Matt?

Enlil, What does the law say about making false accusations against someone that isn't true? Don't they call it slander or something?



The law protects freedom of speech.  Opinions are not a basis for a defamation suit unless the opinion is such that a reasonable person would believe it is based on facts.



Exactly. A claim has to be actionable for it to fall into slander/libel territory. While calling you a liar, thief, con artist, etc. is actionable, calling you a fucking scumbag white trash piece of shit is completely kosher.


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