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Re: Thrown off of Jury - whatcha think? [Re: fapjack]
    #16647999 - 08/05/12 03:33 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

If you take the whole innocent until proven guilty thing seriously you've not committed a crime unless you're convicted of it. Could be the sense in which he was using the verb.

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Jury nullification is kind of a sticky wicket. While juries can technically choose to acquit for any reason they like their purpose in the legal system (of the US) is to be making factual determinations of what most likely occurred, matters of law such as the validity of the underlying statute are supposed to be strictly the domain of the judge which is why most judges will not allow the discussion of jury nullification in their courts. (And even if the jury makes some sort of statement saying the underlying law is invalid that has no bearing on any other cases.)


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Re: Thrown off of Jury - whatcha think? [Re: fapjack]
    #16648020 - 08/05/12 03:36 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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White people don't get harassed by cops anywhere near as often as minorities, white people are also better criminals.





are you saying that white people dont stand on street corners peddling drugs


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Re: Thrown off of Jury - whatcha think? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #16648435 - 08/05/12 04:42 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think there can be any doubting that Blacks or Hispanics are more likely to be pulled over or questioned by police than Whites in the United States.  Most parts of the U.S., for sure, though I have no statistics to back up my claim.  I think that is one contributing factor to the high number of minorities in U.S. jails.  Also, poverty is a main reason people will commit crimes, and I'm willing to bet that a higher percentage of minorities in the U.S. are born to impoverished families than Whites.  Probably another reason for the disproportionate number of minorities in U.S. jails.  Again, no statistics to back up this claim, just stating what I believe to be fact.  It is reasons like these that I can't join in with some of the people in my department complaining about the scholarships being given to minority students that have similar GPAs as them, as there are many advantages to being White in the United States, even if scholarship money isn't one of them.

Having said all that, I have no problem with the decision to throw the original poster off of the Jury.  I know if I were on a Jury, I'd be very sympathetic to someone being conviced of beating up a cop, drug charges, and probably some other crimes.  There is a reason juries are chosen as they are.  If you're a lawyer defending someone for driving drunk and injuring or killing someone, you won't wont someone on the Jury if they have lost someone close to them because of a drunken driver.  A lot of stuff goes into consideration, and you're upcoming trial may have compromised the case.  I'm sure they were thinking that it'd be better to get rid of you than take the chance.  Whether that would have been true or not really isn't relevant.


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Re: Thrown off of Jury - whatcha think? [Re: gd6595]
    #16648515 - 08/05/12 04:55 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't think there can be any doubting that Blacks or Hispanics are more likely to be pulled over or questioned by police than Whites in the United States.  Most parts of the U.S., for sure, though I have no statistics to back up my claim.




seems to show that the numbers of whites, blacks and latinos are pretty even
by percentages based on numbers of drivers


http://www.project.org/info.php?recordID=168



the racial bias claims dont hold water


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Re: Thrown off of Jury - whatcha think? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #16648638 - 08/05/12 05:17 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I've never been great at reading graphs, but from the one you've provided it seems like Whites get searched far less often than Blacks and Hispanics, even if they're being pulled over about the same amount.  I just have a hard time believing Blacks and Hispanics would give cops more reason to search them (drugs or guns out in the open or smell of weed in the car comes to mind, though there are obviously other reasons) than Whites.  It seems more likely that there are cops who are more suspicious of Blacks or Hispanics than they are of Whites and will search them or act more hostile towards them than they would to Whites.


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Re: Thrown off of Jury - whatcha think? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #16648729 - 08/05/12 05:34 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Pris wtf man? you're arguing the sky isn't blue. The y axis said "percentage of drivers stopped"... blacks and Hispanics are outnumbered 4 to 1 by white people in this country.

These numbers don't suggest they have been adjusted for relative proportion of ethnicity, and there would be no good way to do that with Hispanics anyway.



As a side note, I've never met a black woman who knew how to drive.


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