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Re: DMT + Sociopath (me) = possible empathy? [Re: Marflix]
    #16591647 - 07/26/12 10:23 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Sociopaths are always about the me me me. They can compliment you graciously, but its never done just to see their subject smile (though that is quite a fun game).


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Re: DMT + Sociopath (me) = possible empathy? [Re: healing]
    #16591747 - 07/26/12 10:49 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Sometimes I imagine being a sociopath is a blessing for those who don't want to  be in society but if you ever wanted to integrate I imagine it being quite difficult. From what I understand without empathy other people are like dealing with animals, am I right? I would like some information from a admitted sociopath, at least so I can help my friend understand people.


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Don't be mistaken by the facts: it's all flawed; its not me or you, we're all gods.
Does my recognition of my own existence mean I actually exist?
Or am I part of someone elses persistant hallucination?
Am I simply a tool for you?
Or are you all tools for me?
Surrounded by billions of self replicating biological androids constantly converting matter from one form to another, converting thoughts into thoughts.
Have you ever realized you were the matter that you convert, you are the thoughts you thought you thought?
So have you ever truely touched anything or anyone?
Or was it all a hallucination.

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Re: DMT + Sociopath (me) = possible empathy? [Re: Marflix]
    #16597975 - 07/27/12 06:05 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Marflix said:
Seems like most everyone on this thread is a dickface who doesn't know the first thing about psychology and especially your particular condition. Kinda annoys me that they don't care to listen to someone with actual experience, either.

Personally, I think using DMT would be a great way to try to help with developing empathy. If nothing else, tripping with my girlfriend has helped me personally to return to the love and understanding that I sometimes lose with her. Interacting with another human on the comedown of a intense trip is an incredible thing, but even just entertaining such thoughts during that time may lead you to seeing things a bit differently.

Dimitri seems like a very interesting, intelligent being who could show you a lot. He's shown me a lot of things that actually impact my everyday, sober life. I say go for it, and possibly experiment further with different doses, because sometimes the low doses show you the most. Good luck




Thanks.  I'll take your advice on this and possibly get into it more.

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healing said:
Sociopaths are always about the me me me. They can compliment you graciously, but its never done just to see their subject smile (though that is quite a fun game).




I don't see the point of your post.

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Ryanduh said:
Sometimes I imagine being a sociopath is a blessing for those who don't want to  be in society but if you ever wanted to integrate I imagine it being quite difficult. From what I understand without empathy other people are like dealing with animals, am I right? I would like some information from a admitted sociopath, at least so I can help my friend understand people.




The most basic answer I can give you is yes.  I obviously recognize the capability differences between animals and human beings but the feeling for both are the same. I'd probably be more willing to help an animal in distress than a person at this point. The truth is, most people that I see out in the neighborhood I live in are degenerated as a species to the point where they are no more human than other 'flock/sheep/herd' animals.  I look at a huge majority of our population this way.  It's just stubborn reality yet these people been indoctrinated so much that they lose sight of what life can truly be about.

I believe that a huge stigma from people who have educated themselves on this issue or experienced it to some degree stems from the lack of actual conversation. Most people have their assumptions and hold them to be truths.

Also, just to be clear -  I am not looking to take this to cure myself of anything.  I do not have high expectations in the first place so I would not react negatively to a trip I didn't expect.

I am expecting to have this experience today or tomorrow.  I will update this post when I can.

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Re: DMT + Sociopath (me) = possible empathy? [Re: Xeser]
    #16599192 - 07/27/12 11:33 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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I am expecting to have this experience today or tomorrow.  I will update this post when I can.




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Re: DMT + Sociopath (me) = possible empathy? [Re: Dawks]
    #16599966 - 07/27/12 01:43 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

OP reminds me a little of Kevin Spacey in that movie "Seven" very unnerving. How terribly empty it must be to have no feelings of light or happiness or sadness even. I feel very sorry for you.....always judging others while considering yourself a  superior being.

I think you need to get out more.


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Re: DMT + Sociopath (me) = possible empathy? [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #16601434 - 07/27/12 06:23 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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baltimark said:
OP reminds me a little of Kevin Spacey in that movie "Seven" very unnerving. How terribly empty it must be to have no feelings of light or happiness or sadness even. I feel very sorry for you.....always judging others while considering yourself a  superior being.

I think you need to get out more.




What do you mean get out more?

If you're implying that I do not go outside often, you'd be wrong.  Much like you'd be wrong implying that you have some implied knowledge about me or what I am.  I find it ironic that you posted this considering you yourself have been the most judgmental out of anyone.

Idiot. :smile:

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Re: DMT + Sociopath (me) = possible empathy? *DELETED* [Re: Xeser]
    #16601956 - 07/27/12 08:00 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: DMT + Sociopath (me) = possible empathy? [Re: SagaciousCedar]
    #16606708 - 07/28/12 02:58 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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SagaciousCedar said:
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The most basic answer I can give you is yes.  I obviously recognize the capability differences between animals and human beings but the feeling for both are the same. I'd probably be more willing to help an animal in distress than a person at this point. The truth is, most people that I see out in the neighborhood I live in are degenerated as a species to the point where they are no more human than other 'flock/sheep/herd' animals.  I look at a huge majority of our population this way.  It's just stubborn reality yet these people been indoctrinated so much that they lose sight of what life can truly be about.

I believe that a huge stigma from people who have educated themselves on this issue or experienced it to some degree stems from the lack of actual conversation. Most people have their assumptions and hold themJ to be




This friend, is seductive reasoning. People aren't perfect and as a whole they aren't particularly intelligent or self aware but the are they just as human as you or I. Don't ever forget that.

Unlike someother people on this thread, I don't hate you. You never choose to be born without emotions.  If you have no internal moral compass I suggest that you study ethics philosophers like Kant and develop a series of maxims to live your life by. I think you should go out and get a dog or a cat. Affection from an animal is poor substitute for human interaction but its a start.

Do you have any friends that are aware of your condition that would trip with you? I don't think you can find empathy from tripping by yourself.

Good vibes on your journey.




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>Unlike someother people on this thread, I don't hate you.

:billymaythumbup:

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Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality."

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