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Offlineflanders53
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STRONGLY bluing mushroom with pores instead of gills..gym???
    #1658077 - 06/24/03 10:38 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I was walking with a friend in his woods yesterday, not looking for mushrooms, and came across what I suspected to be some sort of gymnopilus. I have never picked Gyms before and don't know much about them. I picked the mushroom, and pinched the stem to check for bruising. It blued DEEP blue, more blue than I've ever seen on a mushroom. I pinched off the bottom of the stem and the inside was completely blue. I thought I must've found a gym...however..don't gyms have gills? This didn't have gills, so I was thinking that maybe it is some sort of bluing bolete? Any help would be greatly appreciated!!

I would've taken pics but I was in the middle of nowhere, without a camera, and the mushroom looks a whole lot different now. I will snap some if you'd like. Thanks!


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Re: STRONGLY bluing mushroom with pores instead of gills..gym??? [Re: flanders53]
    #1658130 - 06/24/03 11:21 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

If it has pores instead of gills then it is most likely a Boletus, maybe B. satanicus. They are poisonous. If one is looking for psilocybian fungi then you can eliminate white and orange spored mushrooms. Psilocybes (120 species) and Panaeolus/Copelandia (26 species).

Psilocybe species have chocolate-brown to purple-brown prints and the Panaeolus/Copelandia have black.

That eliminates thousands of families and narrows your search to the most c ommon psilocybian shrooms.

I always recommend that people ignore the Conocybes, Inocybes and Gymnopilus species because they are too closely aligned to the deadly species. Also ignore any shrooms with white gills (Amanitas).

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Re: STRONGLY bluing mushroom with pores instead of gills..gy [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1658170 - 06/24/03 11:48 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Alright. Basically I just wanted to know if the fact that has pores eliminates all possibility of it being active..

aren't you forgetting gymnopilus man? I thought that was seperate from Psilocybe and Panaeolus..


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Re: STRONGLY bluing mushroom with pores instead of gills..gy [Re: flanders53]
    #1658199 - 06/24/03 12:12 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

All Gymnopilius have gills.


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Re: STRONGLY bluing mushroom with pores instead of gills..gy [Re: Gumby]
    #1658327 - 06/24/03 01:16 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks Gumby Dude for the reply. And Flanders, I did note to avoid Gymnopilus species in my above post.,
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Re: STRONGLY bluing mushroom with pores instead of gills..gym??? [Re: flanders53]
    #1658461 - 06/24/03 02:23 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

There are a few Boleteus which bruise blue. I could assure you that satanas is not what you found though. They do bruise blue, but, they are big, beefy, and reddish.

What was the mushroom growing from?


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Re: STRONGLY bluing mushroom with pores instead of gills..gym??? [Re: angryshroom]
    #1670002 - 06/28/03 08:25 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Umm...Aren't almost all blue-bruising boletes poison? I hope you didn't eat them, dude.


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Re: STRONGLY bluing mushroom with pores instead of gills..gy [Re: mycoTina]
    #1671225 - 06/29/03 12:19 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

No, almost all boletes including blue-bruising are not poisonous.
The only slightly poisonous bolete is Boletus satanas.


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Re: STRONGLY bluing mushroom with pores instead of gills..gy [Re: zeronio]
    #1671319 - 06/29/03 01:26 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I was just going by what i've read in 3 different books and several different websites. I'm not a toxicology expert, so if a book tells me i should not eat blue-bruising boletes, I'm not going to eat them, whether they're classified as "TOXIC" or "MAY CAUSE GASTROINTESTINAL UPSET". I think it's a pretty safe catch-all for beginners to just say, "DO NOT EAT ANY BLUE-BRUISING BOLETES"...and since this guy didn't know that Gymnopilus have gills instead of pores, it's a good bet he's in the "beginner" category.


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Re: STRONGLY bluing mushroom with pores instead of gills..gy [Re: mycoTina]
    #1671323 - 06/29/03 01:28 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

a quote from ToxicMan:
"As a general rule, blue bruising boletes should be treated as if poisonous. Not all of them are, but all the poisonous boletes bruise blue, have red or orange tubes or tube mouths, or both."


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Re: STRONGLY bluing mushroom with pores instead of gills..gy [Re: mycoTina]
    #1671336 - 06/29/03 01:35 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Sure, that?s a good rule for a beginner, but for an advanced hunter it?s good to know that you won?t die from eating any boletus.


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Re: STRONGLY bluing mushroom with pores instead of gills..gy [Re: zeronio]
    #1671372 - 06/29/03 02:07 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

The only slightly poisonous bolete is Boletus satanas.




Oops. There are a number of others.

Boletus sensibilits is listed as poisonous. It bruises blue, but does not have red or orange tubes.

Boletus subvelutipes is another poisonous bolete. It bruises blue and has red tubes.

There are several other poisonous boletes.

There are also blue bruising boletes that are good to eat. You need to be sure before you eat them.

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Re: STRONGLY bluing mushroom with pores instead of gills..gy [Re: ToxicMan]
    #1672821 - 06/30/03 02:41 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

My statement is partially valid only for my area. We have another but very rare species that is thought to be poisonous: Boletus lupinus.

However even with B. satanas toxin was not yet found and some people doubt that it's really poisonous. They say that it's just indigestible, whatever that means.


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