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earlkayoss
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please help i.d LBM's.
#16574715 - 07/23/12 03:23 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Habitat: grassy lawn adjacent to woods Where does it grow? Eg. woods, pasture, state, province, country, altitude, etc. What does it grow on? Eg. soil, dung, wood (dead, living, what kind of wood?), etc.
Gills: Color, attached/not, gills/pores, etc. see photos please
Stem: Length, diameter, color, texture, hollow/solid, thin/thick, etc. see photos, use my hand as size of shroom perspective
Cap: Diameter, color, texture, conical/spherical, convex/concave, etc. see photos
Spore print color: Very important! purple spore print. not blue, not brown and purple. just purple print.
Bruising: Color that the mushroom bruises, if any. the stem stains dark when bruised, see photos.
Other information: Scent of the mushroom, anything else you think is important, large close-up pictures showing stem, cap and gills. i believe i have 4 different LBM's in my yard. these rae slightly different than the ones i have asked help on identifying on this site recently.
i think you will agree, these are slightly different than the last LBM's i posted.
picked on a very hot day, july 2012, new york.








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Re: please help i.d LBM's. [Re: earlkayoss]
#16574821 - 07/23/12 03:38 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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how come when i click on the photos it says they been removed by original poster? i certainly have not deleted them at all.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
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Re: please help i.d LBM's. [Re: earlkayoss]
#16574855 - 07/23/12 03:42 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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The image server is experiencing problems, your thread has already been reported to be fixed.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16574759#16574759
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Re: please help i.d LBM's. [Re: Byrain]
#16574872 - 07/23/12 03:46 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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OK, thx so much for that insight. - ek
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Re: please help i.d LBM's. [Re: earlkayoss]
#16575037 - 07/23/12 04:05 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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And the images are working again, could you add one more of this purple spore print? You have some Panaeolus at least, could be P. cinctulus or one of its lookalikes. I can't tell if you have any Panaeolina mixed in, I need to see more gills and stems, you can confirm yourself by spore printing, Panaeolus will have jet black (No brown) prints while Panaeolina will have brown/purple/blackish prints.
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Re: please help i.d LBM's. [Re: Byrain]
#16575229 - 07/23/12 04:31 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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its hard to post the prints because... they are not well-deefined unfortunately. i just tried to photo the prints and 3 more of these i just picked but they are in a state of "decaying" so... its tuff but... lkemme upload them and i will post in a moment. they actually look purple/black but very dark purple.
i picked some the other day when they were wet from rain and the second they touched white paper, a purple stain spread out. just purple. the prints are more acurately described as purplr/black i guess. will post new photos in a moment.
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Re: please help i.d LBM's. [Re: earlkayoss]
#16575279 - 07/23/12 04:37 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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ok, just picked/photoed these:





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Re: please help i.d LBM's. [Re: earlkayoss]
#16575322 - 07/23/12 04:45 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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the last lbm's i posted for i.d. here, i was told: Panaeolina foenisecii but... these look different than those and the print is different too. its noticeably darker/purpler/blacker and the cap color and stem color and overall length differ a bit from those. IMHO anyways. - e
i thin k i have 4 different LBM's in my yard.
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Re: please help i.d LBM's. [Re: earlkayoss]
#16575326 - 07/23/12 04:45 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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the 2nd set look like cincts to me... notice the reddish stipe and black gills.

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Re: please help i.d LBM's. [Re: earlkayoss]
#16575356 - 07/23/12 04:49 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those prints look pretty black to me, not purple, but you might want to spore print them longer, you can cover them with a glass/cup/bowl/plate etc. to get a better print. Out of the recent pics I think they are all Panaeolus and look like P. cinctulus or maybe one of the related species. Also that white one to the right in the 2nd pic is something else.
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Re: please help i.d LBM's. [Re: bloodworm]
#16575911 - 07/23/12 06:32 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
bloodworm said: the 2nd set look like cincts to me... notice the reddish stipe and black gills.

 peace and love bloodworm
what is "cincts"? i am so sorry to ask but i dont know what it means. - and... as you can see from the photos of them growing in the grass, they all grew together.
as far as the print looking black... yes, i can see y u say that but... my camera sux and its a lousy print to boot. it is way dark, yes. but like i said, when i picked them wet, it immediately caused a purple stain to spread out on the white paper so, thats y i started with the "purple only" spore print description.
just for conversations sake now... suppose it is just purple or... suppose its purple/black?
what do we have?
and the one you describe as "the white one... it seems to be the same as the rest to me and they all gave the same print so... i dunno.
might they have released most of their spores already b4 i tried to print them? is that possible. i got lousy prints.
the stems on these are much much longer and a bit darker than the ones that you good folks told me were Panaeolina foenisecii
thx so much - e
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Re: please help i.d LBM's. [Re: earlkayoss]
#16575921 - 07/23/12 06:34 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Panaeolus cinctulus.
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Re: please help i.d LBM's. [Re: bloodworm]
#16575943 - 07/23/12 06:39 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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thx so much bloodworm, is that what these are?
here is olivaceous from another thread: and one of my grass photos from above...
any chance?
- e
OLIVACEUS:

My LBM's:

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Re: please help i.d LBM's. [Re: earlkayoss]
#16575949 - 07/23/12 06:41 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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i think there is a chance, yes. microscopy would be needed. wait for Byrain for more information...
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Re: please help i.d LBM's. [Re: bloodworm]
#16575976 - 07/23/12 06:47 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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bloodworm, when u explained that to me, i googled it and found a bunch of photos.
i can certainly see why you said what you said.
there are a good # of photos that really look exactly like the little buggers in my yard... EXACTLY.
however, we do know there's more to an i.d. sometimes that just looking at a photo. thats for sure.
i will give you a pat on the back tho, based on the photos i saw. they certainly have a shot to be what you say.
dude, even if they turn out to be something else, you still rock.
- e
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Re: please help i.d LBM's. [Re: earlkayoss]
#16576068 - 07/23/12 07:02 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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The only way to really confirm a lot of Panaeolus is through microscopy, I think P. cinctulus is most promising, P. olivaceus is a possibility, maybe so is P. fimicola. No Panaeolus are poisonous.
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Re: please help i.d LBM's. [Re: Byrain]
#16576643 - 07/23/12 08:47 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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wow. thx Byrain. that's soooooooooooooooooooo good to know.
i threw out all the ones i picked that this site told me were Panaeolina foenisecii ...
all the lit i can find says Panaeolina foenisecii is active but... everyone here said that's not true and... that's because... we learn as we go and altho they were once considered active, we now know Panaeolina foenisecii is most certainly not active. still, to this day, everything i read on them says they are. so.. its fantastic to know that none of the group are poisonous, thx so much for that insight.
i guess i'll get a little collection of specimens going now, these LBM's seem to pop up at random and in scattered groups of 3 to ten shrooms.
any further insight will be greatly appreciated. i can't thank y'all enuff for all the assistance so far. i am fascinated by all shrooms in general and its so neat to actually learn hard facts that i can retain and would not have had acess to w/o you guys/girls on this site.
- e
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