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Chronic Inflammation Causes Virtually All Leading Diseases
#16564132 - 07/21/12 11:59 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Chronic Inflammation Causes Virtually All Leading Diseases
Heart Surgeon Speaks Out On What Really Causes Heart Disease
Inflammation is primarily caused by ingesting too much omega-6 and processed wheat products. Omega-6 acids are found in corn, soy, and sunflower oil. A healthy diet should consist of a relatively balanced ratio of omegas 3 and 6. Americans on average consume a 1/30 ratio of these essential nutrients. Products containing wheat flour inflame arteries and blood vessels. If you want to avoid risking debilitating illness, or improve your already poor health situation, it could be as simple as changing your diet.
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Re: Chronic Inflammation Causes Virtually All Leading Diseases [Re: SWEDEN]
#16564173 - 07/21/12 12:11 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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it could be as simple as changing your diet.
Which is not simple at all.
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Re: Chronic Inflammation Causes Virtually All Leading Diseases [Re: mellowparty]
#16564474 - 07/21/12 01:25 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Meh, it's pretty simple.
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Re: Chronic Inflammation Causes Virtually All Leading Diseases [Re: Mr. Bojangles]
#16564479 - 07/21/12 01:26 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not when you're poor
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Re: Chronic Inflammation Causes Virtually All Leading Diseases [Re: mellowparty]
#16564537 - 07/21/12 01:37 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Haha, very true...didn't take $$ factor into account.
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Re: Chronic Inflammation Causes Virtually All Leading Diseases [Re: mellowparty]
#16564554 - 07/21/12 01:42 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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people are just catching onto this now ive been saying it for years. grains = inflammantion = illness/aging in 4 words.
unfortunately, grains are pushed into our faces, literally in everything we eat because they are cheap, efficently mass produced and offer meal "choice" and, conspiracy wise, i think it is a big part of the governments plan in keeping us ill and less healthy so we can run to the pharmas for medicene and shit, yois get the point.
i doubt serious illnesses existed back in our primal/paleo years.
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Re: Chronic Inflammation Causes Virtually All Leading Diseases [Re: daz01]
#16564654 - 07/21/12 05:45 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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daz01 said:
i doubt serious illnesses existed back in our primal/paleo years.
What was the average life expectancy back then?
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Re: Chronic Inflammation Causes Virtually All Leading Diseases [Re: daz01]
#16564683 - 07/21/12 05:54 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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daz01 said: people are just catching onto this now ive been saying it for years. grains = inflammantion = illness/aging in 4 words.
Someone inform the Nobel committee
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daz01 said: conspiracy wise, i think it is a big part of the governments plan in keeping us ill and less healthy so we can run to the pharmas for medicene and shit, yois get the point.

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daz01 said: i doubt serious illnesses existed back in our primal/paleo years.
Are you retarded?
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Re: Chronic Inflammation Causes Virtually All Leading Diseases [Re: daz01]
#16564758 - 07/21/12 06:08 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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daz01 said: people are just catching onto this now ive been saying it for years. grains = inflammantion = illness/aging in 4 words.
unfortunately, grains are pushed into our faces, literally in everything we eat because they are cheap, efficently mass produced and offer meal "choice" and, conspiracy wise, i think it is a big part of the governments plan in keeping us ill and less healthy so we can run to the pharmas for medicene and shit, yois get the point.
i doubt serious illnesses existed back in our primal/paleo years.
Whole grain = all good.
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Re: Chronic Inflammation Causes Virtually All Leading Diseases [Re: withoutawire]
#16564848 - 07/21/12 06:23 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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i doubt serious illnesses existed back in our primal/paleo years.
Serious illness is an integral part of the human condition; infections, food poisoning, harmful bacteria. The early peoples probably did not suffer from the 'diseases of affluence' such as diabetes, alzheimer's, obesity, and others related to the consumption of non-foods.
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Re: Chronic Inflammation Causes Virtually All Leading Diseases [Re: SWEDEN]
#16565148 - 07/21/12 07:40 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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maybe i should of been a bit more clear and used better words, by serious illnesses, i meant the illnesses that plague our societies today, such as the above mentioned, cancer, chronic illnesses, etc and if so, were extremely rare.
i assumed that i would not need to clarify that microorganisms have and always will exist, which is common sense with our modern medical technology
and no, although that article lists whole grains as acceptable, they are just as bad, if not even worse, they are still inflammatory and release excess insulin
and thanks for your contribution mellowparty, i see your crazy cool ass dad taught you well fail boat
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Re: Chronic Inflammation Causes Virtually All Leading Diseases [Re: daz01]
#16565232 - 07/21/12 08:03 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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daz01 said: maybe i should of been a bit more clear and used better words, by serious illnesses, i meant the illnesses that plague our societies today, such as the above mentioned, cancer, chronic illnesses, etc and if so, were extremely rare.
They weren't exactly rare. Cancer has always been with us. There is a higher incidence of cancer today, but that doesn't mean it was an uncommon disease historically. Mortality has actually been dropping since the 90's for many types of cancer...although the ACS and NCI usually list mortality rates as people who survive past 5 years. So it might be a little misleading for certain types of cancers that we actually just got better at extending people's lives instead of curing the cancer (but this is certainly not the case for all types of cancer).
Anyways, yeah there are more people getting cancer today than before...but that doesn't mean the shit didn't happen quite often before. We live in a world full of carcinogens, not just inflammatory agents, that may also be the cause for the increase...or at least lend a helping hand. I can't really speak for chronic illnesses because you don't specify and that really isn't a knowledgeable area for me without doing some research.
For the record whole grains also cause inflammation
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Re: Chronic Inflammation Causes Virtually All Leading Diseases [Re: SWEDEN]
#16565296 - 07/21/12 08:17 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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SWEDEN said: Chronic Inflammation Causes Virtually All Leading Diseases
Heart Surgeon Speaks Out On What Really Causes Heart Disease
Inflammation is primarily caused by ingesting too much omega-6 and processed wheat products. Omega-6 acids are found in corn, soy, and sunflower oil. A healthy diet should consist of a relatively balanced ratio of omegas 3 and 6. Americans on average consume a 1/30 ratio of these essential nutrients. Products containing wheat flour inflame arteries and blood vessels. If you want to avoid risking debilitating illness, or improve your already poor health situation, it could be as simple as changing your diet.

A heart specialist for 25 years who has performed over 5000 open heart surgeries is saying that artery disease has NOTHING to do with cholesterol!
Cholesterol has been an innocent player the entire time in the myth regarding artery/heart disease!
You gotta love it!
Thank you man... I've been dealing with an asswipe know it all for weeks now. I noticed he didn't say a word to you but criticized some poor dude for an innocent comment.
Would you believe my MD has been saying this for over 30 years now? I kid you not and it's extremely encouraging to hear other experts support this. It's obvious, I mean lowering cholesterol should resolve the problem yet the problem only worsens and bypass after bypass is needed.
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Re: Chronic Inflammation Causes Virtually All Leading Diseases [Re: Emmanuel Goldstein]
#16565365 - 07/21/12 08:28 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Before civilization we were doing a lot better psychologically, physically, spiritually. Civilization has come at a huge cost to us, but WHEN we fix it, it's going to be sublime.
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Re: Chronic Inflammation Causes Virtually All Leading Diseases [Re: Mr. Bojangles]
#16565398 - 07/21/12 08:36 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mr. Bojangles said:
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daz01 said: maybe i should of been a bit more clear and used better words, by serious illnesses, i meant the illnesses that plague our societies today, such as the above mentioned, cancer, chronic illnesses, etc and if so, were extremely rare.
They weren't exactly rare. Cancer has always been with us. There is a higher incidence of cancer today, but that doesn't mean it was an uncommon disease historically. Mortality has actually been dropping since the 90's for many types of cancer...although the ACS and NCI usually list mortality rates as people who survive past 5 years. So it might be a little misleading for certain types of cancers that we actually just got better at extending people's lives instead of curing the cancer (but this is certainly not the case for all types of cancer).
Anyways, yeah there are more people getting cancer today than before...but that doesn't mean the shit didn't happen quite often before. We live in a world full of carcinogens, not just inflammatory agents, that may also be the cause for the increase...or at least lend a helping hand. I can't really speak for chronic illnesses because you don't specify and that really isn't a knowledgeable area for me without doing some research.
For the record whole grains also cause inflammation 
What i say isnt based on facts or research. it just "makes sense" that our ancestors before us would have been much healthier people, without all the chemicals, junk and shit that we people are forced to deal with. our ancestors lifestyle would be considered perfect today. outdoors, natural environments, varied diet, natural, wild food clean water from the hills, exercise neccessity to survive.
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Re: Chronic Inflammation Causes Virtually All Leading Diseases [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#16565509 - 07/21/12 08:55 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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daz01 said:
i doubt serious illnesses existed back in our primal/paleo years.
What was the average life expectancy back then?
Fucking asswipe... This is all you have to say regarding this thread. Pick on some dude for an innocent misdirected comment. This is all you man, this is your style.
You know what's really funny? You are all Omega6! 
Well I guess all of a sudden cholesterol is cool and all is well in Swellsville Eh?
Does this bury it between you and I now?

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Re: Chronic Inflammation Causes Virtually All Leading Diseases [Re: Emmanuel Goldstein]
#16565587 - 07/21/12 09:08 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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We live alot longer than when people ate a scavenger diet.
Being a caveman sounds kinda cool but I kinda think it is maybe not all it is cracked up to be, and that is totally subjective anyway.
Lets do the future a favor and keep eating delicious baked goods, those that can't thrive off its cheap deliciousness will go extinct: problem solved.
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Re: Chronic Inflammation Causes Virtually All Leading Diseases [Re: moonrockmushy]
#16565650 - 07/21/12 09:25 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just read an awesome book that posits the idea that inflammation/autoimmune activity is largely responsible for autism, depression and other mental disorders. It goes into great detail about how cytokines play a role in both immunological memory and actual memory formation and other interesting tidbits that describe the connection better than I can.
The book is called "Infectious Behavior: Brain-Immune Connections in Autism, Schizophrenia, and Depression" by Paul H. Patterson. Very good read for anyone with treatment-resistant mental disorders (like me).
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Re: Chronic Inflammation Causes Virtually All Leading Diseases [Re: GettinPsilly]
#16565788 - 07/21/12 09:57 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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GettinPsilly said: I just read an awesome book that posits the idea that inflammation/autoimmune activity is largely responsible for autism, depression and other mental disorders. It goes into great detail about how cytokines play a role in both immunological memory and actual memory formation and other interesting tidbits that describe the connection better than I can.
The book is called "Infectious Behavior: Brain-Immune Connections in Autism, Schizophrenia, and Depression" by Paul H. Patterson. Very good read for anyone with treatment-resistant mental disorders (like me).
Yes dude, this is it man, this is what I've basically been trying to say. It is literally inflammatory issues of the brain itself but there are always things going on in the body that clowns miss completely that drive the condition. You know it's sad because in the early stages of high tech imaging they actually selected schizos as their guinea pigs and what they saw when they tagged glucose with a radioactive isotope revealed TONS they completely ignored. It's completely repulsive to think about the information that was right under their noses. Somebody knew, this is for sure because when some raised issues they were dismissed and the studies stopped.
From oxygen signalling to insulin signalling but they want you to believe it's a neurotransmitter. It had absolutely NOTHING to do with the amount of neurotransmitters but the ability of the neurotransmitter to act on a receptor. It requires a doctor who is willing to do their due diligence because not every MD can wrap their head around it all. This is painfully obvious because the average MD can't think outside the box. I haven't read the book but my first book is pretty much completed now, I've been dragging my ass.
Thank you man... I haven't read the book but I'm way ahead of the curve regarding the science behind what you're saying. Lives can be radically changed but it requires a lot of work and complete commitment. There's no la di da here, you're either in it to win it or give up because it isn't going to happen.
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Re: Chronic Inflammation Causes Virtually All Leading Diseases [Re: Emmanuel Goldstein]
#16566643 - 07/22/12 02:47 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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very interesting.
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