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InvisibleCactilove
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Re: Official shroomery dictionary [Re: dustinthewind13]
    #16559432 - 07/20/12 10:39 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Fair enough! It's in.


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Re: Official shroomery dictionary [Re: dustinthewind13]
    #16559462 - 07/20/12 10:45 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I will respect your making of this new word but it is my opinion that determitrap sounds amd flows of the tongue better. Do you agree? If so I'll change it if not I'll leave it as it is.


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Re: Official shroomery dictionary [Re: Cactilove]
    #16559525 - 07/20/12 10:58 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I like determitrap. :thumbup:

Also, I got another one.

Freewilly

verb:
1. To free Willy from a determitrap.


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Re: Official shroomery dictionary [Re: dustinthewind13]
    #16559553 - 07/20/12 11:07 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Hmmm could you elaborate more on the definition of freewilly I'm foggy on it still


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Re: Official shroomery dictionary [Re: Cactilove]
    #16559603 - 07/20/12 11:21 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Its based on this movie.


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Re: Official shroomery dictionary [Re: dustinthewind13]
    #16559650 - 07/20/12 11:34 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

So are you sayin that freewilly is the act of freeing someone from a trap that sucks the life out of them?


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Re: Official shroomery dictionary [Re: Cactilove]
    #16559930 - 07/20/12 12:52 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

:yesnod:


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Re: Official shroomery dictionary [Re: dustinthewind13]
    #16559993 - 07/20/12 01:04 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Just make sure you change Willy into someone. I gone done fucked up on that part.


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Re: Official shroomery dictionary [Re: dustinthewind13]
    #16560089 - 07/20/12 01:25 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Done


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Re: Official shroomery dictionary [Re: dustinthewind13]
    #16560192 - 07/20/12 01:42 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

dustinthewind13 said:
And waveform doesn't exist? :confused:




Evidently not as a descriptor in QM that I could find. I was suprised because it seems fairly obvious.
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Decoherence does not generate actual wave function collapse. It only provides an explanation for the appearance of the wavefunction collapse, as the quantum nature of the system "leaks" into the environment. That is, components of the wavefunction are decoupled from a coherent system, and acquire phases from their immediate surroundings. A total superposition of the global or universal wavefunction still exists (and remains coherent at the global level), but its ultimate fate remains an interpretational issue. Specifically, decoherence does not attempt to explain the measurement problem. Rather, decoherence provides an explanation for the transition of the system to a mixture of states that seem to correspond to those states observers perceive. Moreover, our observation tells us that this mixture looks like a proper quantum ensemble in a measurement situation, as we observe that measurements lead to the "realization" of precisely one state in the "ensemble".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_decoherence





"A total superposition of the global or universal wavefunction still exists (and remains coherent at the global level), but its ultimate fate remains an interpretational issue."

Can now be reduce to:

The waveform still exists (and remains coherent at the global level), but its ultimate fate remains an interpretational issue."


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Re: Official shroomery dictionary [Re: teknix]
    #16560201 - 07/20/12 01:45 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Are you confusing waveform with wavefunction?

Since each are in the 'regular' dictionary, I dont think we need them in the shroomery dictionary.


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Re: Official shroomery dictionary [Re: DieCommie]
    #16560222 - 07/20/12 01:50 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

No, It is what remains behind the particle that is subjected to wave function collapse. The part that "isn't" observed. (See Quantum Decoherence) It is not used to QM that way afaik.

"A total superposition of the global or universal wavefunction " - Waveform


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Re: Official shroomery dictionary [Re: teknix]
    #16560238 - 07/20/12 01:54 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I know about decoherence, but what you say here doesnt make a lot of sense.  Behind the particle?  :confused:


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Re: Official shroomery dictionary [Re: teknix]
    #16560247 - 07/20/12 01:55 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I'll just go ahead and leave it in I suppose unless blankk has a problem with it.


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Re: Official shroomery dictionary [Re: Cactilove]
    #16560264 - 07/20/12 01:59 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

The wave function isn't really collapsing, it remains behind the scenes, it just appear to collapse upon observation. The "waveform" is still there. Waveform is the totality.

Check out sagans description of how 3 dimensional objects would appear to a 2 dimensional perspective:



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Re: Official shroomery dictionary [Re: teknix]
    #16560269 - 07/20/12 01:59 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Ahh, so waveform is crackpottery.  Got it.  :wink:


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Re: Official shroomery dictionary [Re: DieCommie]
    #16560282 - 07/20/12 02:01 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

It is the 4th dimensional object of which only the particles of it can be observed.


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Re: Official shroomery dictionary [Re: teknix]
    #16560288 - 07/20/12 02:02 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Riiiight.  Keep it in the shroomery dictionary in that case.


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Re: Official shroomery dictionary [Re: DieCommie]
    #16560294 - 07/20/12 02:03 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, better description of old concepts. :weirdeyes:

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