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PeterPanda209 said: I personally am no good at planning, preparing, setting up, meeting dead lines. So as far as any of that I would have to sit out lol
neither am i! but as long as you contribute whatever you can it's all good. even if it's just ideas, or reviewing articles that other people write
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PeterPanda209 said: STEVE JOBS - LSD

steve wozniak, bill gates, sir richard branson, some rich mofo who bailed out mongolia. the list goes on.
Freud, thomas jefferson
francis crick, though that story is debatable. i forget the guys name but some guy got a noble peace prize for some major contribution to genetics that he stated was influenced by psychedelic usage.
Kary Mullis (he invented PCR). I didn't mention crick for that reason, it is open to debate..
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Re: Starting a Shroomy E-Zine [Re: PoisonCrazy]
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that was it! good job
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neither am i! but as long as you contribute whatever you can it's all good. even if it's just ideas, or reviewing articles that other people write
Yeah, I think it should be structured so that you can sit down one evening / weekend and churn out a couple of articles and that's all you need to do for 2 months (besides light editing) if that is all you want to do. If you feel like doing more, I am sure there will be more too, but this seems the best way to do it.
How often are all you guys here on the shroomery? I'm here more days than not...
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all the time. im addicted to this site.
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We can also comb through all the information on the shroomery to find good stories and sources for the various topics we want to go into. Or if we think we have run out of material on a theme, we can try to find more here.
Sailing, Peterpanda, Boldaslove, Jacksonmetaller, do you guys have any particular article from the ones we have brainstormed that you think you would like to write yourself? Do you guys want to write, or is there something else you would like to do on this e-zine?
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Re: Starting a Shroomy E-Zine [Re: PoisonCrazy]
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I will say one thing for sure, I would love To READ it.
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im going to have to read back through this whole thread in the morning and remember everything we discussed. i could try to write an article or two next week after my final. i may get pretty busy during the fall and spring but i'll contribute what i can. there's also a member who posted "the drug war failed" on the pub. he's made an information website. he may be willing to contribute something to this. he seems to be a decent writer who's good at backing his work up with facts.
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O it'll be a great f--kin read.
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Re: Starting a Shroomy E-Zine [Re: PoisonCrazy]
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Sailing, Peterpanda, Boldaslove, Jacksonmetaller, do you guys have any particular article from the ones we have brainstormed that you think you would like to write yourself? Do you guys want to write, or is there something else you would like to do on this e-zine?
I love to write, so I would happily write, or contribute to any article at all. I'm also able to do some editing and organizing if need be. I'm on the shroomery almost every day.
Perhaps it was talked about before and I missed it (I didn't read the whole thread carefully, just skimmed), but I think that each article should go through kind of a peer review process. One person writes it and at least one other person reads it and adds their opinion (editing, more material, less material, fact checking) before it goes to the person who will put it all together. I know I would feel a lot more comfortable writing articles if at least one person will be checking my work and tossing in ideas along the way. Also, perhaps some articles could be joint ventures with two or more authors? Yes/no to these ideas?
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O it'll be a great f--kin read. 
Aw yea!
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Re: Starting a Shroomy E-Zine [Re: BoldAsLove]
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I too am here everyday. Almost 99% of my posts are from my mobile =]
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Re: Starting a Shroomy E-Zine [Re: BoldAsLove]
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Hey, I had a half hour of spare time so I whipped up what I pictured an article sounding like. I really don't expect it to be used or anything, it was just so that I could judge what kind of voicing you guys pictured in the magazine. I'm not trying to jump the gun or steal article ideas from people who want to write them (this great idea came from PeterPanda ) or anything like that. Provide as much criticism as you can so that I know what to look for if I write or edit any articles. Thanks!
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Drug Myth Busting #1: Weed is a gateway drug
As the saying goes, if I had a nickel for every time I heard this one. Accusing marijuana of being a gateway drug is a common attack used by anti-marijuana proponents to scare parents and potential users away from cannabis. The claim is one that is often surrounded by inaccuracies from both viewpoints, and is why it is a common drug myth. Hopefully this little article will clarify the confusion and leave you better equipped to make your own decision.
Let’s start by analyzing where this claim originated and what it actually says. It is part of the gateway drug theory, which claims that the use of so-called “soft drugs,” such as marijuana or tobacco, makes a person more likely to become addicted to more dangerous substances and/or become involved in crime and gang-related activities. It is often supported by a variety of statistics and expert opinions detailing how early marijuana usage is a good predictor of later drug use. For example, the Office of National Drug Control Policy, owner of abovetheinfluence.com, provides this quote from the owner and operator of a prominent drug recovery facility: “The younger people begin using marijuana, especially before the age of 21, the likelier they are to become addicted to an addictive substance. Their addiction is both physiological and psychological.” So, does their claim have substance?
The short answer is yes, but the long answer is much more complicated. It is true that statistics show that users of “hard drugs” usually started with cannabis, often at a young age, and that many criminals used marijuana at some point in their lives before committing the crime. However, as any good researcher will tell you, correlation does not equal causation. All it takes to disprove this myth is to show that cannabis is not the cause of the later drug use and that the statistic has been misinterpreted.
For example, a 12-year peer-reviewed study conducted by the American Psychiatric Association found that people using cannabis before other drugs, were no more likely to become addicted to those drugs than people who did not use cannabis first. The RAND corporation arrived at a similar conclusion using a survey and mathematical models to predict drug use. These studies suggest that the gateway drug theory is a clear-cut myth to scare the public away from pot. This, however, is still not quite the full story.
The statistics show there is a link between marijuana and the later use of hard drugs, so where did this link originate? First of all, marijuana is much more readily available to most potential youth drug users, than say heroin or cocaine. Therefore it is much more likely for young adults to use marijuana before trying other drugs, based solely on availability. This would explain the statistic and, as shown above, does not mean marijuana caused the later drug use.
Also, marijuana is a relatively benign substance compared to heroin, methamphetamine, cocaine and other drugs often lumped into this group. As such, it is very rare for a person to use cocaine without trying safer substances first. It is akin to walking before crawling or wanting to learn to drive without learning to ride a bike first. It is possible, but highly unlikely.
There is one final caveat in this story worth mentioning. A study was done comparing cannabis users in San Francisco, where all non-medical marijuana has to be bought illegally, to cannabis users in Amsterdam, where marijuana can be bought in legal coffee shops. The results found that marijuana users in San Fransisco were more likely to have tried opiates, cocaine or ecstasy. The reasons for this were not clear from the study, but one hypothesis is that marijuana being illegal introduces users to the black market and, by association, sources for other substances. If this were true, it would suggest that marijuana is not a gateway drug, but that the whole system of drug scheduling is. Still, these are little more than assumptions and further study is needed to confirm them.
So, where does this leave us? Well, it’s true that early marijuana use is statistically linked to later use of hard drugs. Nonetheless, current research suggests that marijuana is merely a spectator and not the cause of later drug use. It seems, at least for the time being, like the claim is nothing more than another misconception about cannabis.
Note that I only presented the very basics and I encourage you to investigate more for yourselves if you are curious. Feel free to send me anything interesting you happen to stumble upon or to present opposing views and ideas.
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Re: Starting a Shroomy E-Zine [Re: BoldAsLove]
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There you go man, an un-biased report... this helps non users read and not be disgusted too soon to read the whole post which gives us a better chance of them reading the point they'd otherwise not make it too. Fantastic work. I was half expecting you to through in the possibility that alcohol was a more likely candidate to be the gateway drug.
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Cool to see there are so many of us interested in this idea, I would definitely be able to help out with art direction/editing what-have-you as I am a pretty organized person (however basic html is as far as I go with programming language, not that I can't learn if I need to). I'd also be interested in writing articles myself as well as being involved in an editing process so that the zine has a sense of directorial cohesion.
When it comes to the audience though, I think it might be a better idea for us to not directly seek out a "broad masses" demographic, but rather make it something that we and our friends will like, something that speaks to our culture but at the same time legitimizes our place in society by citing scientific works (and maybe making some of our own) that tell the truth about these substances without a fear based approach that is common in most media. Definitely make it something that anybody can read, but in all truth, the people who will be interested in these topics will be people who have experimented in the past with entheogens, or are in social circles that do.
It also may be helpful if we make this more like a lifestyle e-zine with articles on other subjects as well (economics, relationships, current events, shroomery news service etc...) so as to show that this is part of a lifestyle and is not a myopic obsession or addiction that is totally exclusive. Maybe do this further down the road once we can get things really rolling but something to consider nonetheless.
If we take a free-speech, non-violent, scientific approach to doing this I can't see any reason why we would get into any trouble for writing about these topics, especially when we are even seeing some of it leak out into mainstream (I saw "magic-mushrooms" being promoted as psychologically beneficial on CNN not long ago).
Oh, and I got an Idea for a name too (if we are shroomery sponsored we could advertise for them still and possibly be more subtle in our affiliation) we could call it M.K. Kultur (My Kinda Culture) after the MK Ultra projects that US did, the way I see this whole idea is a kind of psychedelic social experiment so I thought that name might be fitting. This is and I am open to all kinds of ideas. This would have to be a community project in order to work so we should all pick something that we like.
Next rational step would be to produce some articles (BoldAsLove is on top of that already ) but also to reach out and see if we can get anybody capable of web/graphic design into the project, if we get enough content together then maybe we could all pitch in (paypal or something) for a month or two of web space and give the thing a test run and see if we generate some more interest from people interested in reading and contributing alike.
Loving everything being said in this thread, My thanks to PoisonCrazy for getting this conversation moving, lets keep it going!!! 
PS: been sober for like a month now, and I go into super intense productive mode when I don't have , so sorry if my post is a little
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TheNuanderthal said: Cool to see there are so many of us interested in this idea, I would definitely be able to help out with art direction/editing what-have-you as I am a pretty organized person (however basic html is as far as I go with programming language, not that I can't learn if I need to). I'd also be interested in writing articles myself as well as being involved in an editing process so that the zine has a sense of directorial cohesion.
Good deal. I'm sure we can use the help!
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TheNuanderthal said: When it comes to the audience though, I think it might be a better idea for us to not directly seek out a "broad masses" demographic, but rather make it something that we and our friends will like, something that speaks to our culture but at the same time legitimizes our place in society by citing scientific works (and maybe making some of our own) that tell the truth about these substances without a fear based approach that is common in most media. Definitely make it something that anybody can read, but in all truth, the people who will be interested in these topics will be people who have experimented in the past with entheogens, or are in social circles that do.
I'm really up in the air about this, I thinkk you might have the right angle. Something that if an average person picked it up, they wouldn't feel it was incredibly biased, or feel that it was some sketchy underground thing, but also something that just kind of caters a little more towards our kind of people.
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TheNuanderthal said: It also may be helpful if we make this more like a lifestyle e-zine with articles on other subjects as well (economics, relationships, current events, shroomery news service etc...) so as to show that this is part of a lifestyle and is not a myopic obsession or addiction that is totally exclusive. Maybe do this further down the road once we can get things really rolling but something to consider nonetheless.
I thought about this too, the possibility of maybe adding some posts on spirituality and such, maybe going into the spirituality and mysticism forum to recruit people interested in writing, but I also realized, we are a very diverse group here on the shroomery. We are divided on racial, cultural, political lines. I'm not sure how much we have as common ground outside of an interest in these sorts of substances, their histories and potential. But also, if we start adding articles on conventionally 'hippie' topics (I am thinking especially of my idea of some spirituality articles) then that does perpetuate a certain image of drug users as... well... hippies. And a lot of good old fashioned christians have serious problems with new age religion / unconventional spirituality in general, and with hippies in particular.
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I am less thinking you could get in trouble for it, and more thinking that it could harm the movement if the e-zine came out wrong. I agree with you that there is not likely much they can officially do to stop something like this.
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TheNuanderthal said: Oh, and I got an Idea for a name too (if we are shroomery sponsored we could advertise for them still and possibly be more subtle in our affiliation) we could call it M.K. Kultur (My Kinda Culture) after the MK Ultra projects that US did, the way I see this whole idea is a kind of psychedelic social experiment so I thought that name might be fitting. This is and I am open to all kinds of ideas. This would have to be a community project in order to work so we should all pick something that we like.
My problem with MKUltra as an inspiration is: they dosed people without their consent, and there were many horrifying experiments included in MKUltra, it wasn't just the weaponization of LSD tests.
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TheNuanderthal said: Next rational step would be to produce some articles (BoldAsLove is on top of that already ) but also to reach out and see if we can get anybody capable of web/graphic design into the project, if we get enough content together then maybe we could all pitch in (paypal or something) for a month or two of web space and give the thing a test run and see if we generate some more interest from people interested in reading and contributing alike.
Agreed, next step is producing articles.
I want to sit for a minute and think of what kind of column I would like to write...
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TheNuanderthal said: Loving everything being said in this thread, My thanks to PoisonCrazy for getting this conversation moving, lets keep it going!!! 
No problem, I have been kicking the activism idea around for ages, feels good to get to work on it!
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BoldAsLove said: Perhaps it was talked about before and I missed it (I didn't read the whole thread carefully, just skimmed), but I think that each article should go through kind of a peer review process. One person writes it and at least one other person reads it and adds their opinion (editing, more material, less material, fact checking) before it goes to the person who will put it all together. I know I would feel a lot more comfortable writing articles if at least one person will be checking my work and tossing in ideas along the way. Also, perhaps some articles could be joint ventures with two or more authors? Yes/no to these ideas?
Definitely. Some kind of review process is essential. We all bring different perspectives to psychedelics / drug legalization and two sets of eyes are better than one for getting past typos and silly mistakes in formatting etc.
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I thought about this too, the possibility of maybe adding some posts on spirituality and such, maybe going into the spirituality and mysticism forum to recruit people interested in writing, but I also realized, we are a very diverse group here on the shroomery. We are divided on racial, cultural, political lines. I'm not sure how much we have as common ground outside of an interest in these sorts of substances, their histories and potential. But also, if we start adding articles on conventionally 'hippie' topics (I am thinking especially of my idea of some spirituality articles) then that does perpetuate a certain image of drug users as... well... hippies. And a lot of good old fashioned christians have serious problems with new age religion / unconventional spirituality in general, and with hippies in particular.
I think it would be valid and interesting, though, to talk about how closely spirituality and psychedelics are tied together. It seems like such a huge aspect of the experience that we shouldn't over look.
Also, maybe this is going a bit too far, but I think it would be helpful and interesting to include one or two really well written trip reports in the magazine. It might be a little risky if we want it to reach a much wider audience, but I think it could have a lot to offer. We could ask people to submit them, or read some from the Trip Reports forum or Erowid and ask permission to use them. What do you think?
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There you go man, an un-biased report... this helps non users read and not be disgusted too soon to read the whole post which gives us a better chance of them reading the point they'd otherwise not make it too. Fantastic work. I was half expecting you to through in the possibility that alcohol was a more likely candidate to be the gateway drug.
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Thanks man!
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I thought about this too, the possibility of maybe adding some posts on spirituality and such, maybe going into the spirituality and mysticism forum to recruit people interested in writing, but I also realized, we are a very diverse group here on the shroomery. We are divided on racial, cultural, political lines. I'm not sure how much we have as common ground outside of an interest in these sorts of substances, their histories and potential. But also, if we start adding articles on conventionally 'hippie' topics (I am thinking especially of my idea of some spirituality articles) then that does perpetuate a certain image of drug users as... well... hippies. And a lot of good old fashioned christians have serious problems with new age religion / unconventional spirituality in general, and with hippies in particular.
I think it would be valid and interesting, though, to talk about how closely spirituality and psychedelics are tied together. It seems like such a huge aspect of the experience that we shouldn't over look.
Also, maybe this is going a bit too far, but I think it would be helpful and interesting to include one or two really well written trip reports in the magazine. It might be a little risky if we want it to reach a much wider audience, but I think it could have a lot to offer. We could ask people to submit them, or read some from the Trip Reports forum or Erowid and ask permission to use them. What do you think?
Well how about some sort of a different trip report.
Make it focus on the follow up and integration. There can be some discussion of the experience itself, but focus on taking the insights and using them to enrich your life. Let people see how psychedelics can push us to become better people. I also think that integration is a too-often ignored part of the psychedelic experience even in a place like this, so it would be helpful to remind us that part of the wonder of psych's is their potential to help us get past harmful thought patterns or negative behaviours.
Also, this way we will have trip reports that read differently from erowid or reports around the shroomery, they would be a slightly different style / focus.
I don't think we have to ignore psychedelics spiritual potential, but that can be addressed in traditional uses of the substance (like in articles about historical use) and in individual accounts of their 'relationship' with a drug, but I think we should stop short of going into how to meditate, or chakras, or any of that. I think you will lose a lot more people than you will gain and I think that spiritual experiences / paths like that are much more personal and individual.
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Make it focus on the follow up and integration. There can be some discussion of the experience itself, but focus on taking the insights and using them to enrich your life. Let people see how psychedelics can push us to become better people. I also think that integration is a too-often ignored part of the psychedelic experience even in a place like this, so it would be helpful to remind us that part of the wonder of psych's is their potential to help us get past harmful thought patterns or negative behaviours.
I think that's a great idea! Hopefully people will be interested in writing and submitting them.
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I don't think we have to ignore psychedelics spiritual potential, but that can be addressed in traditional uses of the substance (like in articles about historical use) and in individual accounts of their 'relationship' with a drug, but I think we should stop short of going into how to meditate, or chakras, or any of that. I think you will lose a lot more people than you will gain and I think that spiritual experiences / paths like that are much more personal and individual.
I agree with you, but with one exception. It ties with the above, but I often find that my trips always lead me to more meditation, that is how I integrate. We shouldn't talk about spirituality in depth, but I think the trip reports, or similar articles, could suggest meditation, prayer, or just a general interest in spirituality as a way to integrate. But I agree that we definitely shouldn't advocate for it strongly.
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Make it focus on the follow up and integration. There can be some discussion of the experience itself, but focus on taking the insights and using them to enrich your life. Let people see how psychedelics can push us to become better people. I also think that integration is a too-often ignored part of the psychedelic experience even in a place like this, so it would be helpful to remind us that part of the wonder of psych's is their potential to help us get past harmful thought patterns or negative behaviours.
I think that's a great idea! Hopefully people will be interested in writing and submitting them.
One thing I love about people who trip, they are always up to share a story! (Myself included)
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I don't think we have to ignore psychedelics spiritual potential, but that can be addressed in traditional uses of the substance (like in articles about historical use) and in individual accounts of their 'relationship' with a drug, but I think we should stop short of going into how to meditate, or chakras, or any of that. I think you will lose a lot more people than you will gain and I think that spiritual experiences / paths like that are much more personal and individual.
I agree with you, but with one exception. It ties with the above, but I often find that my trips always lead me to more meditation, that is how I integrate. We shouldn't talk about spirituality in depth, but I think the trip reports, or similar articles, could suggest meditation, prayer, or just a general interest in spirituality as a way to integrate. But I agree that we definitely shouldn't advocate for it strongly.
I guess I worded it poorly, I said:
"and in individual accounts of their 'relationship' with a drug"
I was saying that I think it is totally fine to have a person saying that this is the religious practice they use to integrate. I completely agree. I just think the proper stopping point is actively advocating a type/method of spirituality.
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